http://espn.go.com/nhl/story/_/id/11025503/pierre-mcguire-candidate-pittsburgh-penguins-gm-job
What are the Pens thinking?
What are the Pens thinking?
Pierre as Pens GM? Ummm....
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Well, you know he won't be tossing out any speak about "Marc Andre Fleury is in team x's head" if he gets the gig.
You know ... he's shitty at his job. But should we be so quick to assume he'd be a shitty GM as well? He was a decent scout and coach if I recollect. And he clearly knows the minors and juniors and colleges and all that stuff. And he knows everyone in the game. So... I dunno. I think maybe a year or 2 as an asst gm before getting the head job would be good but I'm not sure he'd be the worst gm in the league if he were hired. Damning with faint praise maybe. But there you go.
Pierre was a finalist for the Habs job two years ago, so there has been some previous league interest in him for front office positions. Given Pierre's connections to the Penguins, it makes some sense they would at least reach out to him. I personally think Pierre would be better suited for an amateur scouting gig, but that's just me.
I like Pierre, but I think it would be a disaster so I'm obviously pulling for him to get the gig.
I like Pierre, but I think it would be a disaster so I'm obviously pulling for him to get the gig.
The start of this thread came off as "Pierre is shitty, what are the Pens thinking", but I honestly wanted to know what they were thinking. It has more to do with grabbing a guy from the broadcast booth and plopping him into the driver's seat than it had to do with his talents as a broadcaster, talent evaluator or GM.The Napkin said:
He was actually a terrible coach away from Scotty Bowman. His only head coaching experience in the NHL as a brief stint for the Whalers where he went 23-37-7. He later landed as a scout for the Sens but only lasted 2 months before being canned.The Napkin said:
That he's speaking so openly about his candidacy is really telling, gotta believe this is a smoke screen
Especially when Paul Holmgren gave up on the same team for not trying.Vinho Tinto said:
http://articles.philly.com/1993-11-17/sports/25945286_1_paul-holmgren-whalers-last-summer-whalers-coach
Pierre wasn't real respected by his team there.
He comes off like a complete ass in this article
If Bowman loved him so much, why didn't he bring him to Detroit?
The only shitty thing about McGuire going to the Pens would be that they would crash and burn just in time to draft a generational talent with the 1st pick. Include me in the group that says there isn't much to see here.
He comes off like a complete ass in this article
If Bowman loved him so much, why didn't he bring him to Detroit?
The only shitty thing about McGuire going to the Pens would be that they would crash and burn just in time to draft a generational talent with the 1st pick. Include me in the group that says there isn't much to see here.
That article is also 20 years old. It's not unreasonable to think Pierre has perhaps both improved as a hockey evaluator and in his interpersonal relations.
The more I think of it, the more I think he's kind of coming off as a prick here. This is basically a humblebrag on a national level. He knows he's not getting the job, but he wants everyone to know he "could have" gotten the job.
I agree, probably a smokescreen, but also probably a little ego boost for Pierre.
I agree, probably a smokescreen, but also probably a little ego boost for Pierre.
Sure- I was just making sure people understood that he sucked back then, when people are looking to blame the franchise instead.
I'm sure he's improved (his interpersonal relations if nothing else), but does his body of work suggest legitimate GM candidate?
I'm sure he's improved (his interpersonal relations if nothing else), but does his body of work suggest legitimate GM candidate?
Dummy Hoy said:
It's hardly like the franchise ever did anything under any other coach in that time period either.
I don't think he's a good candidate because of his dire lack of experience as a GM, and if the Pens really like him maybe they should start him off as an assistant GM or pro scout or something.
Going back to a front office as a scout or AGM would probably require a significant pay cut for Pierre. Who knows how willing he would be to do that just to break back in to hockey ops. I've never really gotten the impression he's marketed himself for these types of positions, he's more or less just interviewed when teams have requested to speak with him. He seems happy with what he is doing now.
Unless it causes Sid to retire and Malkin to defect back to Russia I don't think the Penguins would ever be able to tank enough to draft Connor McDavid. Say what you want to about this group, they've always been a regular season juggernaut.Dummy Hoy said:
I definitely recall his coaching tenure in Hartford, and that particular article about it, and Pierre really was an epic disaster in that stint here. Not that he had a ton of talent to work with, but it really was bad.
I have no idea how he'd fare as a GM. I feel like he has the knowledge, but my sense is based on how he comes across on TV he wouldn't be as objective as you'd like him to be. I could be wrong, but that's just the impression I get with him.
I have no idea how he'd fare as a GM. I feel like he has the knowledge, but my sense is based on how he comes across on TV he wouldn't be as objective as you'd like him to be. I could be wrong, but that's just the impression I get with him.
Everyone that has had to suffer through his broadcasts would thank Pittsburgh for doing this.
By the way, does anyone think that he has changed that much from the time that article was written? Everything there jives with the impression he gives off on TV.
By the way, does anyone think that he has changed that much from the time that article was written? Everything there jives with the impression he gives off on TV.
TheStoryofYourRedRightAnkle said:
But, one dictionary agrees that jive and jibe can be used interchangeably to mean "to agree and accord"! The times are a-changing man, and tbb345 is leading the way.
As for Pierre being the GM of the Penguins, I would love that, as would all non-Pens fans. So it will never happen. No one could possibly be that stupid.
Jim Rutherford gets the job, per Bob.
I guess that's only fair after the Jokinen and Sutter/Pouliot//Dumolin deals Rutherford sent Pittsburgh's way.
I guess that's only fair after the Jokinen and Sutter/Pouliot//Dumolin deals Rutherford sent Pittsburgh's way.
A very uninspired hire. They probably should've just stuck with Ray Shero.
This worked out well for the rest of the conference!
This worked out well for the rest of the conference!
I thought they couldn't do worse than hiring Pierre McGuire. I was wrong - they hired Rutherford! [/Leggio]
No other way to slice this other than it being a bad hire on the surface. Unless there's an assistant who'll be in charge of most hockey ops, but that's doubtful.
No other way to slice this other than it being a bad hire on the surface. Unless there's an assistant who'll be in charge of most hockey ops, but that's doubtful.
Bylsma quickly given the heave-ho from Rutherford. First time a GM has made a personel/staff move before his introductory press conference?
No idea of this guy's cred, but it's funny:
Brady Trettenero @BradyTrett 15m
Looking like Pierre wanted a 5 year deal & Pitt wanted him on a 3 year contract, similar to Tim Murray's in Buffalo.
Brady Trettenero @BradyTrett 15m
Looking like Pierre wanted a 5 year deal & Pitt wanted him on a 3 year contract, similar to Tim Murray's in Buffalo.
In reading some of the quotes from the press conference, it seems like Rutherford is mostly a placeholder/lame duck GM. He's in the big chair to mentor Guerin and Botteril until they're ready.
Also, kinda shitty treatment of Bylsma. This was a foregone conclusion, they should've just whacked him with Shero.
Also, kinda shitty treatment of Bylsma. This was a foregone conclusion, they should've just whacked him with Shero.
