Pistons waive Josh Smith
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My guess is the Clippers. Who knows though. I could see a bunch of teams after him if he's cheap.
jimv said:
Detroit on the hook to pay him. Used the stretch provision, so he'll be on their books for another 5 years.
New team negotiates a separate salary.
DeJesus Built My Hotrod said:
They'll definitely be in on it. Sounds like, at least early on, that there are going to be a lot of teams interested.
I think it'll be fewer than most folks are thinking. He seems uncoachable. It's become obvious that Rudy Gay (not the same player, but similar "stupid chucker" tag) was misused in Toronto, and with a better coach and system, he got better. I don't think there are any such hopes for Smith.Grin&MartyBarret said:
The only contender I can really see doing it is the Clips, and only because a straight-up corpse would compete for minutes with their current threes.
The Clippers would be the team that needs Smith the most, they desperately need a wing player that can play both ends of the floor better than Matt Barnes, but they could only really offer minimum salary and are up against the hard cap. Maybe if no other teams bite and Smith decides that he is already getting paid from Detroit, he might as well sign on with a good team, which means he can have his cake and eat it too he will go there, but it is more likely a team like SAC waves money in front of his face and he goes there, because if there is one thing SAC needs, it is a power forward.
Can Bucks fit him in under cap? I wouldn't expect anyone to bite (since he's presumably already been offered around for virtually nothing) but they are one team that might think about it a little
Grin&MartyBarret said:
This article - http://www.mlive.com/pistons/index.ssf/2014/12/column_end_of_josh_smith_era_w.html - says that Detroit's obligations (financial, not salary cap) will be offset by any new salary that Smith obtains, which should be the minimum.
Also amazed how quickly he's fallen.
Houston's rumored interest in Smith and Rondo not surprising---they could use the talent, and I strongly suspect their analytics team actually sees a lot more complexity than the publicly available metrics suggest for both players.
Lakers/Knicks are the teams who come to mind that are so desperate for legit NBA talent that they might make the move in spite of there actually being almost no logic to it long-term. Wouldn't expect it in either case.
Anyone imagine Cleveland sniffing around? Not a fit for a bunch of reasons, but somehow I can imagine it.
Lakers/Knicks are the teams who come to mind that are so desperate for legit NBA talent that they might make the move in spite of there actually being almost no logic to it long-term. Wouldn't expect it in either case.
Anyone imagine Cleveland sniffing around? Not a fit for a bunch of reasons, but somehow I can imagine it.
wade boggs chicken dinner said:
Approximately. It's more than a simple offset. Per CBAFAQ #66:
There's also the fact that the Pistons may not want to stretch him as far as cap hit is concerned. Anyone have knowledge on how soon a team must exercise stretch option on cap hit? Is it reversible?
I thought the wrap on Smith was that he was a disaster as SF because he able to roam the perimeter and chuck long range shots. But if he plays as a PF -which he couldn't in Detroit because they already had a shit ton of people for that spot- and he's kept away from the 3 point line, then he should be one of the best players in the PF position the league.
So why should he go to the Clippers? Houston does seem a better fit.
So why should he go to the Clippers? Houston does seem a better fit.
Grin&MartyBarret said:
That only applies if Smith isn't claimed off of waivers. However, a team has to have the full cap space to absorb his entire salary and I think only the Sixers fit that bill.
Nick Kaufman said:
In re the Clippers this article makes the case that with the Clippers 2nd unit Smith wouid make sense: http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/12067750/nba-pistons-thinking-josh-smith-release-where-land
That assumes Hawes will be healthy at some point, and that Smith would be happy to be on the 2nd unit.
Houston makes the most sense to me.
If indeed Detroit contacted every NBA team in their effort to trade Smith, I'd love to see a transcript of the call to Philly:
SVG: We'll give you Smith for nothing.
Sixers: No thanks, we don't want any real NBA players on our roster...tanking, you know.
SVG: Trust me, this guy is perfect for you...launches terrible shots. He'll shoot you right out of any close games.
Sixers: Nope...he was once a useful interior scorer...can't take any chances.
SVG: Have I mentioned the locker room cancer part? Tunes out coaches, teammates despise him...total package here.
Sixers: Too risky. He could get motivated by a trade, improve his shot selection, crash the boards...we're trying to lose 72 games here.
SVG: NO CHANCE of a turnaround! Let me send you some game tape. One look and you'll be convinced.
Sixers: Says here he was once All-NBA on defense. What are you trying to pull, Van Gundy?
SVG: That's. All in the past, I swear. Completely disengaged now. (Pause). I'm crying. You know that? I am actually weeping.
Sixers: Gotta go.
SVG: We'll give you Smith for nothing.
Sixers: No thanks, we don't want any real NBA players on our roster...tanking, you know.
SVG: Trust me, this guy is perfect for you...launches terrible shots. He'll shoot you right out of any close games.
Sixers: Nope...he was once a useful interior scorer...can't take any chances.
SVG: Have I mentioned the locker room cancer part? Tunes out coaches, teammates despise him...total package here.
Sixers: Too risky. He could get motivated by a trade, improve his shot selection, crash the boards...we're trying to lose 72 games here.
SVG: NO CHANCE of a turnaround! Let me send you some game tape. One look and you'll be convinced.
Sixers: Says here he was once All-NBA on defense. What are you trying to pull, Van Gundy?
SVG: That's. All in the past, I swear. Completely disengaged now. (Pause). I'm crying. You know that? I am actually weeping.
Sixers: Gotta go.
Smith should also make it a lot harder for teams to defend Dwight. If he is willing to set up his teammates instead of jacking terrible shots this could work really well. The problem, of course, is that the same thing was true in Atlanta and he was a chucker without a conscience most of his time there.
Yes this is an ideal landing spot for Smoove and a huge pickup for the Rockets. For the first time in his NBA career he will be asked to be a defense/rebounding role player without the burden of being a 1/2 option that he was never suited to being.Devizier said:
Wow you should read more than the people crying about the sixers tanking. They are 4-6 and just beat the heat on the road. They are not trying to lose they are trying to build in the draft and no pay rubbish for no reason. Try reading Lowe's new piece on them in the sixers thread. They are playing good to very good d and their shot selection is very clearly deliberately planned.Bernie Carbohydrate said:
They aren't paying money for a bad vet who isn't going to help them. Detroit might have been able to get them to take him with some 1st round picks though.
The crying about the sixers is crazy. They have a better record than the Knicks and who would you rather be for the next ten years?
Rumor is the only offer they got involved trading a first with him. They decided their picks were worth more than the cap space lost.Rudy Pemberton said:
The deals offered involved either long term salary commitments greater than just using the stretch provision on Smith or them bundling a conditional #1 as part of the trade. Neither option was terribly attractive. Where they screwed up was in not trading him over the summer when they had better offers for him. Because they knew the problem there was that Smith wasn't a SF and that their roster required him to be there.Rudy Pemberton said:
Weak competition on the first 5 games, but pretty impressive beating the Spurs. Losing Smith but getting Meeks back, too -- but have to say that Jennings on a roll is not something I expected. So far the SGV is showing himself to be pretty gutsy -- a shame for him they lost out on that top draft pick last year due to the vagaries of the draft. And if the current roll continues they'll be a playoff team before all is said and done.
Just one game, but just saw Hou-Cle and, based on J-Smoove having a really good game, it could turn into a proverbial win-win. Detroit obviously benefits by dumping him, and have to love that. But can see how, if Houston can just knock him upside the head every time he takes a long 2 pointer or a 3 pointer, the Rockets could really benefit. At least for this game he was finishing beautifully around the hoop, passing well, and his length was helpful on defense. Spent a lot of time when Harden was on the bench playing point -- not sure if that's been a pattern up until now or a new thing, but seemed awfully effective as a nice design to put him into a pass first mode (except for the one time when he brought it up and just chucked it..d'oh!).