Propose Your Celtics Draft Pick Trades Here

[zenter]

The "who to draft" and "what to trade for" conversations should be separate. Preferably realistic trades.

For example, Bill Simmons (ugh) wants Okafor for #3.

There are a few middling-to-crappy teams that have nothing of consequence in the draft (NYK, BKN, DAL, WAS). I can't think of a good package with these guys, but I'm not as smart as most.

Either way, I foresee Cs keep #31 is almost any scenario and lose #16 in almost any scenario.

What do you suggest?

 

[gammoseditor]

Treat the pick like an asset. Call all 29 other teams and find out whose willing to give up the most. It's a boring answer, but that's how you get a package that if anyone actually posted here would result in every poster responding there's no way that trade would every happen.

There are going to be teams that fall in love with at least one of Bender, Hield, Murray, and Dunn. Some of them won't be in a position to draft them. Exploit them if you can.

And I know this isn't the thread for it, but Danny also needs to determine if any of these guys are going to be starts. if you trade the pick and one of them is a star it's probably a bad trade.

 

[Auger34]

BOS trades: Avery Bradley, Amir Johnson, #3, #16, #23 and gets back Jimmy Butler
PHI trades Okafor and gets back #3. #23 and Amir Johnson
CHI trades Jimmy Butler and gets back Okafor, Bradley, and #16.

There are probably going to be more moving parts for salary but I think this is the basic framework of the deal

 

[gammoseditor]

Just some ideas:

Memphis is in an interesting situation. The Spurs are rumored to be interested in Mike Conley. If they lose Conley they may be better off rebuilding. I wonder if you could get Marc Gasol for #3 and the future Memphis pick we have.

I'd also consider #3 to Brooklyn for Brook Lopez. That would also increase the value of the next two Brooklyn picks coming our way.

One dream scenario is convincing the Knicks to pair Bender with Porzingis. #3, #16, #24 and Marcus Smart for Carmelo. edit: Lebron wants to play with Carmelo. Chris Paul wants to play with Lebron and Carmelo. This is a dream 2 year plan.

 

[Jed Zeppelin]

If no vet trades are available:
Trade #3 to Phoenix for #4 and #13
Draft Murray/Dunn at 4 then, if possible, trade 13, 16, and 23 to a team in the 7-10 range who needs players and draft the best frontcourt player available.

 

[BaseballJones]

Guys I'd be looking into acquiring (the price and interest level will, of course, vary):

- Butler
- Cousins
- Hayward
- Favors
- Griffin
- Okafor (maybe)
- Barnes
- Russell

I think the Celtics need a big-time go-to option besides Thomas. I'd like to improve their athleticism up front (Sully and Olynyk and Jerebko and Zeller are all decent players, but none is really an outstanding athlete). They have some excellent contracts in Crowder and Thomas. They are deep and they work hard and have a fantastic coach. They just need more....oompf. Don't know how else to put it. Solid overall team. Depth is a strength but they just need to have better players is all. Kind of simple, I think. Acquiring them is the hard part.

 

[Jeff Van GULLY]

If the Celtics can't get Butler:

Celtics trade: #3 & #16 and James Young
to Nuggets
For: Gallinari and #7


Edit: And then trade #7 and #23 for WCS while we're at it.

 

[FL4WL3SS]

Is it completely unrealistic to move up to #1 or #2 with some combination of the #3 and the other firsts this year and next year?

 

[Eddie Jurak]

Trading #3 for Brook Lopez? Uh, no.

 

[wutang112878]

3 part dream plan:

1. Celtics trade 3, the Dallas pick, Bradley and Jerebko plus other filler salary to:
   1. Bulls for Butler
   2. Or Houston for Harden
2. Sign Horford (who I dont want in isolation, only in this plan)
3. Convince Durant to sign and complete the puzzle

So you've got Durant as your #1, Butler as #2.

• Isaiah: when playing with starters would be a hybrid point who would have to learn to take what comes to him instead of having offense run through him. But you could have him play significant minutes with the bench and go back to being 'the guy' to help your bench scoring.
• Horford, while expensive, would be a complimentary piece and could fill a Bogut type role where he focuses on rebounding and defensive presence and isnt asked to carry any offensive load which isnt his strength anway.
• PF is your weakest starting position, but Olynyks best position is as a stretch 4 and I think he could fill the role as your 5th best starter
• Your bench consists of Crowder, Smart and Amir

That team competes in the East with Cleveland, I'm not sure how that series would turn out but its going 6+ games. Then add in the Brooklyn picks over the next few years and this team would be setup for a solid 5-6 year run.

 

[Devizier]

Jimmy Butler or Gordon Hayward, if at all possible (I don't think it is).

 

[DJnVa]

Is it completely unrealistic to move up to #1 or #2 with some combination of the #3 and the other firsts this year and next year?

Everyone except those related to Hield, Dunn, etc. say it's a 2 man draft. I can't see either team trading down.

I can see maybe Philly calling LA and asking if they *really* want Simmons and trying to flip the picks for an added sweetener, but other than that, I can't see those picks moving. I'm sure Danny is making a call though.

 

[zenter]

Is it completely unrealistic to move up to #1 or #2 with some combination of the #3 and the other firsts this year and next year?

LA: Kupchak and Jim Buss are under the gun. Unless they can get high-impact player (ie, a star or almost star) from us, no.
PH: With Hinkie out, it's less likely. Hard to guarantee a #1 pick for the future. Maybe a swap of #1 and #2 with LA to extract even more picks/players, and then pick Ingram, but otherwise, no.

 

[FL4WL3SS]

I figured, but thought I'd throw that out there. It seems like LA needs a lot of work, so I didn't know if the higher volume of firsts would be appealing to them.

 

[zenter]

I figured, but thought I'd throw that out there. It seems like LA needs a lot of work, so I didn't know if the higher volume of firsts would be appealing to them.

It should, but it won't because Jeanie Buss is applying wacko pressure to get good now, and pick for picks isn't going to do it.

Cousins or George to LA are more likely because of her, especially as their previous commitments make them short on tradebait other than this year's #2.

The other thread is talking about WCS+#8 for #3 (possibly plus). Could be interesting.

 

[Was (Not Wasdin)]

It should, but it won't because Jeanie Buss is applying wacko pressure to get good now, and pick for picks isn't going to do it.

Cousins or George to LA are more likely because of her, especially as their previous commitments make them short on tradebait other than this year's #2.

The other thread is talking about WCS+#8 for #3 (possibly plus). Could be interesting.

As I said in the other thread, I dont think there is any way they trade WCS plus #8 for the #3. If anything, it would take more than just the #3 alone to get WCS. I would trade #3 plus #16, or #3 plus a player (Smart) for WCS.

 

[Eddie Jurak]

I think Durant, Cousins, Butler are likely not available. If the C's are looking to deal for an impact player, I would think the possibilities are Blake or Love. Blake, if healthy, maybe be a nice fit on a team like the C's who don't have a true PG because a lot of the offense could run through him. Not clear that Doc would be looking to move him, but they did pretty well without him and could use an infusion of young talent. Can we sign Eddie House and Big Baby for the purpose of including them in a deal? Doc does love his ex Celtics.

 

[FL4WL3SS]

Guys I'd be looking into acquiring (the price and interest level will, of course, vary):

- Butler
- Cousins
- Hayward
- Favors
- Griffin
- Okafor (maybe)
- Barnes
- Russell

I think the Celtics need a big-time go-to option besides Thomas. I'd like to improve their athleticism up front (Sully and Olynyk and Jerebko and Zeller are all decent players, but none is really an outstanding athlete). They have some excellent contracts in Crowder and Thomas. They are deep and they work hard and have a fantastic coach. They just need more....oompf. Don't know how else to put it. Solid overall team. Depth is a strength but they just need to have better players is all. Kind of simple, I think. Acquiring them is the hard part.

- Butler (21)
- Cousins (15)
- Hayward (20)
- Favors (15)
- Griffin (1)
- Okafor (maybe) (8)
- Barnes (22)
- Russell (2)

Looking at the draft position of the guys you listed, why not just hold on to the 3rd pick and all the other assets that it would take to acquire those guys and hope you can get one of them in the draft? Then use the other assets to get something else?

 

[Bob420]

Are those jersey numbers?

 

[BaseballJones]

- Butler (21)
- Cousins (15)
- Hayward (20)
- Favors (15)
- Griffin (1)
- Okafor (maybe) (8)
- Barnes (22)
- Russell (2)

Looking at the draft position of the guys you listed, why not just hold on to the 3rd pick and all the other assets that it would take to acquire those guys and hope you can get one of them in the draft? Then use the other assets to get something else?

You could. But then you're just hoping that the draft pick turns into a star. These guys (for the most part) already are.

 

[zenter]

- Butler (21)
- Cousins (15)
- Hayward (20)
- Favors (15)
- Griffin (1)
- Okafor (maybe) (8)
- Barnes (22)
- Russell (2)

Looking at the draft position of the guys you listed, why not just hold on to the 3rd pick and all the other assets that it would take to acquire those guys and hope you can get one of them in the draft? Then use the other assets to get something else?

What do those numbers mean?

 

[Auger34]

What do those numbers mean?

I think draft position but they are wrong numbers if so....

 

[Auger34]

It should, but it won't because Jeanie Buss is applying wacko pressure to get good now, and pick for picks isn't going to do it.

Cousins or George to LA are more likely because of her, especially as their previous commitments make them short on tradebait other than this year's #2.

The other thread is talking about WCS+#8 for #3 (possibly plus). Could be interesting.

I think D'Angelo and #2 for Cousins makes a lot of sense for both teams...

 

[Auger34]

You could. But then you're just hoping that the draft pick turns into a star. These guys (for the most part) already are.

Do you mean Harrison Barnes? He's a free agent and wouldn't require a trade. He is also a step or two below the value of every other player listed.

Also FL4WLESS I think you were trying to do a list of where the players were drafted, this is the correct numbers..

- Butler (30)
- Cousins (5)
- Hayward (9)
- Favors (3)
- Griffin (1)
- Okafor (maybe) (3)
- Barnes (7)
- Russell (2)

 

[FL4WL3SS]

Well shit, I was quickly googling at work and fucked that up royally.

My point still stands, however. I'm not sure I'd be disappointed picking at 3 and trying to use the other picks as trade bait.

 

[nighthob]

Jimmy Butler or Gordon Hayward, if at all possible (I don't think it is).

I like the thought on Hayward, but given that Boston employs his favourite coach and he's a pending UFA, I don't think it's necessary to be sending #3 for Hayward when you can just wait 12 months and get him for free. It might be disappointing for 2017, but Jamal Murray & Gordon Hayward is better than just Hayward.

 

[nighthob]

I think D'Angelo and #2 for Cousins makes a lot of sense for both teams...

I made this remark on another board, that my dream is the Lakers using Simmons as the basis for a Boogieman trade and seeing the Living Legend start his career in a lunatic asylum. The only thing that could make it better is the Kings bringing back Rondo.

 

[nighthob]

Everyone except those related to Hield, Dunn, etc. say it's a 2 man draft. I can't see either team trading down.

I can see maybe Philly calling LA and asking if they *really* want Simmons and trying to flip the picks for an added sweetener, but other than that, I can't see those picks moving. I'm sure Danny is making a call though.

Philly wants Dunn, but I think in addition to Ingram. Maybe a deal bundling Crowder+? But I highly doubt it. I think Philly will be in the market for #3, however I'm not sure that they have any interest in dealing Okafor as he is, literally, the star of their rebuilding program. Noel has giant behavioral red flags and Embiid has, to date, been on the Oden career path. Dario Saric will probably come stateside now that the asylum is closed, but he's their stretch 4. So a deal with Philly would most likely be Boston kicking their lottery pick forward to '17 with #3 going for the Sixers '17 draft. Maybe they can get Embiid as a throw-in with some of their surplus wings going in the other direction to make up the salary.

 

[04101Seadog]

If no vet trades are available:
Trade #3 to Phoenix for #4 and #13
Draft Murray/Dunn at 4 then, if possible, trade 13, 16, and 23 to a team in the 7-10 range who needs players and draft the best frontcourt player available.

I think this is going to be spot on, and was coming to say almost the same. Vet trades - especially the ones being floated all over - are stupid expensive and look to hurt what was built last year, not improve on it. A player like Crowder isn't going anywhere as despite the return he and IT are Stevens glue guys. They are the motor that makes this team go, and you don't mess with that.

I'm thinking you will see #3 traded back in order to gain an asset, which is packaged up to get back to the 9-12 range. I'd go #3 to Denver for the 7 and 15. At 7 pick up Hield/Murray/Brown, then use the 15,16,23 to come back up and pick up Poeltl/Skal. Then use #31 and some of the other second rounders on euros to stash.

We leave with a shooter, a big man, and the ability to sign FA's that can score. We also get to pick the bones of another Nets dumpster fire next year so we are still in good shape going forward.

 

[moondog80]

Can you get 13 just for dropping from 3 to 4 in a two player draft? Can you even do it by throwing in 23?

 

[Bob420]

I don't think embiid will be a throw in at any point. Apparently had a scan on his foot and everything looks good. He is set to go. Only way he is available or a throw in is if he gets hurt again.

 

[ALiveH]

He was the #3 pick 2 years ago and has literally been too injured to do anything ever since. NBA lottery picks who show no improvement are rapidly depreciating assets. There is no way he is worth a #3 today...

 

[DJnVa]

If no vet trades are available:
Trade #3 to Phoenix for #4 and #13
Draft Murray/Dunn at 4 then, if possible, trade 13, 16, and 23 to a team in the 7-10 range who needs players and draft the best frontcourt player available.

Who does Phoenix wants so bad at #3 that they'll give up #13 to get it?

 

[nighthob]

He was the #3 pick 2 years ago and has literally been too injured to do anything ever since. NBA lottery picks who show no improvement are rapidly depreciating assets. There is no way he is worth a #3 today...

Yeah, big men develop slowly and Embiid hasn't played competitive basketball in two years, whoever acquired him would be in the position of having to match salary on him without (in all likelihood) knowing how he was going to turn out. At this point he is the definition of throw in value in a larger deal (so that the team trading can justify the selection).

 

[Bob420]

The reasons you state are exactly why he won't be a throw in. There is no value in trading him. Sixers have put a lot of time and resources into him.

 

[Jed Zeppelin]

Who does Phoenix wants so bad at #3 that they'll give up #13 to get it?

Bender maybe. The Denver deal suggested could make more sense. I'm always thinking of Phoenix though because they're going to be a potential trade partner for Ainge in what little time McDonough has left as the GM.

 

[TheRooster]

How about our #3, Bradley (or Smart if they prefer), Amir (or Olynk) and #16 for Kris Middleton? I could imagine a few other pieces moving in either direction to make the salaries fit. I love Middleton's skills, size and age.

 

[zenter]

Well shit, I was quickly googling at work and fucked that up royally.

My point still stands, however. I'm not sure I'd be disappointed picking at 3 and trying to use the other picks as trade bait.

I agree that 3 should not be traded for the sake of it. It's just the "who should we draft" question is pretty different from speculative pick trades. Made sense to separate the threads.

If Ainge can extract a high-quality player plus future asset for the #3, it's not like he's for want of lottery tickets now or in the future.

How about our #3, Bradley (or Smart if they prefer), Amir (or Olynk) and #16 for Kris Middleton? I could imagine a few other pieces moving in either direction to make the salaries fit. I love Middleton's skills, size and age.

Seems a bit of an overpay. I go back and forth about who between Bradley and Middleton is a better defender. Middleton has physical assets (length, speed, etc), but my eyes tell me Bradley i smarter.

 

[nighthob]

The reasons you state are exactly why he won't be a throw in. There is no value in trading him. Sixers have put a lot of time and resources into him.

Great, they can let him sit at the end of the bench for the next two years and leave in free agency. Because they're not trading Okafor to clear the path for the guy that hasn't played basketball in two years. Or at least that would happen if Hinkie was still running things. Luckily for Sixer fans he's gone, and so will be some of his mistakes.

 

[nighthob]

How about our #3, Bradley (or Smart if they prefer), Amir (or Olynk) and #16 for Kris Middleton? I could imagine a few other pieces moving in either direction to make the salaries fit. I love Middleton's skills, size and age.

#3 is probably more than a supporting cast guy like Middleton is worth, throwing in Bradley, Olynyk and #16 makes that a pretty big overpay. If the Bucks are pitching in #10, things get a little closer to equal.

 

[nighthob]

Seems a bit of an overpay. I go back and forth about who between Bradley and Middleton is a better defender. Middleton has physical assets (length, speed, etc), but my eyes tell me Bradley i smarter.

Bradley's definitely smarter, but at 6'2" 190 his defensive abilities are limited to the PG spot and the SG spot against smaller guards. Middleton is the better supporting cast guy if just for the size.

 

[Ed Hillel]

To me, this pick cannot be traded for anything other than an all-star caliber player or to move up to 1 or 2. If that doesn't work out, draft Bender and hope for the best.

 

[BigSoxFan]

To me, this pick cannot be traded for anything other than an all-star caliber player or to move up to 1 or 2. If that doesn't work out, draft Bender and hope for the best.

What about Bender am I supposed to be impressed with?

 

[CreedBratton]

Most interesting to me from @WojVerticalNBA's Lottery Special he thinks there will be a bidding war for the 3rd & 4th Picks for Bender/Dunn.

 

[plucy]

#3 is probably more than a supporting cast guy like Middleton is worth, throwing in Bradley, Olynyk and #16 makes that a pretty big overpay. If the Bucks are pitching in #10, things get a little closer to equal.

This and Hayward/12 from UT are the two trade downs that may be possible.

 

[Cellar-Door]

What about Bender am I supposed to be impressed with?

Basically everything?

He's 7'1" 225lbs, youngest player in the draft, good quickness, runs the floor well, considered a potentially very strong 3 position defender in the NBA. Very good passer, developing jumpshot range up to 3pt.

He'll need time to develop due to his age, but he's an excellent prospect who has very high upside to be a terrific player.

 

[southshoresoxfan]

Basically everything?

He's 7'1" 225lbs, youngest player in the draft, good quickness, runs the floor well, considered a potentially very strong 3 position defender in the NBA. Very good passer, developing jumpshot range up to 3pt.

He'll need time to develop due to his age, but he's an excellent prospect who has very high upside to be a terrific player.

Basically everything? He avg 2.1 PPG in the Isreli league. Theres upside for sure but lets pump the brakes a bit.

 

[BigSoxFan]

Basically everything? He avg 2.1 PPG in the Isreli league. Theres upside for sure but lets pump the brakes a bit.

No kidding. I'm fine with people being bullish on Bender but I'm just not seeing it based on the available video we have at our disposal. I'd rather trade back, nab an extra asset or two, and let someone else take that risk.

 

[Grin&MartyBarret]

Basically everything? He avg 2.1 PPG in the Isreli league. Theres upside for sure but lets pump the brakes a bit.

As an 18 year old Kris Dunn averaged 5.7 points a game for a middling Big East team. Who do you think wins? 2012 PC or a top 5 European team?

 

[BigSoxFan]

As an 18 year old Kris Dunn averaged 5.7 points a game for a middling Big East team. Who do you think wins? 2012 PC or a top 5 European team?

Are you intentionally omitting the fact that Dunn missed the entire summer due to a torn labrum and didn't debut that year until like December?