New threads are good. New threads are better during god awful off-seasons.
I thought it would be interesting to take a look back at GM's and draft histories to see who hit and whiffed the most. I'll start with Dick O'Connell because eff that Pinky Higgins guy and end with Theo since Cherington's are still somewhat incomplete.
Dick O'Connell - 1966 - 1977
Biggest wins - Wade Boggs, Carlton Fisk, Jim Rice, Dwight Evans and Fred Lynn. 3 hall of famers, one should be and one could have been if he'd stayed healthy Bruce Hurst was also worth over 30 WAR.
Solid contributers - John Tudor, Cecil Cooper, Ben Oglivie, Steamer Stanley, Rick Burleson, and Bill Lee. Cecil Cooper did little in Boston aside from a productive half season in '75 but was an all star several times in Milwaukee. Ben Oglivie showed nothing in Boston for parts of three seasons before having some good seasons in Detroit and Milwakee. Tudor was good in Boston but won 21 games with St. Louis in 1985.
Other notable: Amos Otis, Roy Smalley, Johnny Grubb, Geoff Zahn, Donnie Moore, Don Aase, Ken Brett, Rick Miller, Gary Redus and Ernie Whiitt
Best draft - 1976 where 8 players made the majors including Boggs, Hurst and Tudor.
Worst and also his last draft - Gary Redus was the sole major league contributor and he never played in Boston.
38 of his players made the majors in his 12 years. 5 of his first rounders failed to.
Haywood Sullivan - 1978 - 1983
Biggest wins - Roger Clemens, Ellis Burks and Mike Greenwell
Solid Contributors - Oil Can Boyd, Matt Young (not in Boston).
Other notables - Al Nipper, Todd Benzinger, Glenn Davis, Dave Magadan, and our namesake, Sam Horn.
Best draft - 1983. When you draft one of the best pitchers of all time it's a win, but 7 others also made the majors.
Worst draft - 1978. Matt Young was it.
26 of his draftees made the majors in 6 years. He only whiffed with the first rounder in his first season.
Lou Gorman - 1984 - 1993
Biggest wins: Curt Schilling, Mo Vaughn, John Valentin, Aaron Sele, Trot Nixon and *cough* Jeff Bagwell
Solid contributors - Scotts Cooper and Hatteberg, Jeff Suppan, Jody Reed, Paul Quantrill, Tim Naerhing, Phil Plantier and Brady Anderson
Other notables: Joey Hamilton, Tino Martinez, Jack McDowell, and Todd Pratt
Best draft: 1989 Jeff Bagwell and Mo Vaughn
Worst draft: 1990 - Garr Finnvold was the big prize
67 of his draftees made the majors in 10 years. 3 seasons his first rounder did not.
Dan Duquette - 1994 - 2001
Biggest Wins -Nomar and Kevin Youkilis. I guess Pavano belongs here for helping net Pedro
Solid contributors - No secondary contributors - Manny Delcarmen?
Other notables - The Teixeira debacle, Kelly Shoppach Freddy Sanchez, David Eckstein, Adam Everett, Loomer Loni Ed Sprague and Lenny Dinardo who still gets great deals on pizza.
Best draft - '94 Nomar
Worst draft - The non Youkilis and Nomar drafts were all terrible
64 players made the majors in 8 years. 3 first rounders didn't make it.
Mike Port - 2002
Port had one draft and got Jon Lester and Brandon Moss so did very well for himself
Theo Epstein - 2003--2011
Biggest contributors - Mookie Betts, Dustin Pedroia, Anthony Rizzo (thanks for A-Gonz?), Jonathan Papelbon and JBJ
Solid contributors - Daniel Bard, Justin Masterson, Christian Vazquez, Josh Reddick, Travis Shaw, and Matt Barnes
Other notables - Brandon Belt, Charlie Blackmon, Pedro Alvarez, Yan Gomes, Josh Reddick, Steve Pearce, Yasmani Grandal, Kirby Yates and Hunter Strickland
Best draft - His last one in 2011 got us Betts, JBJ, Travis Shaw and Matt Barnes
Worst Draft - 2009 - Hazelbaker was the highlight
66 players made the majors in his 8 seasons. All of his first picks made the majors.
Edit to include international signings:
Lou Gorman signed Rafael Betancourt as a SS.
Duquette signed Hanley Ramirez, Anibel Sanchez and Jorge De La Rosa
Theo signed Dice-K, Okajima, Xander Bogaerts and Manuel Margot
Cherington signed Yoan Moncada and Rafael Devers
I'll leave it to you guys to analyze context, factoring things in like player pools, order of placement, gaming the system with lots of compensatory picks etc.
I thought it would be interesting to take a look back at GM's and draft histories to see who hit and whiffed the most. I'll start with Dick O'Connell because eff that Pinky Higgins guy and end with Theo since Cherington's are still somewhat incomplete.
Dick O'Connell - 1966 - 1977
Biggest wins - Wade Boggs, Carlton Fisk, Jim Rice, Dwight Evans and Fred Lynn. 3 hall of famers, one should be and one could have been if he'd stayed healthy Bruce Hurst was also worth over 30 WAR.
Solid contributers - John Tudor, Cecil Cooper, Ben Oglivie, Steamer Stanley, Rick Burleson, and Bill Lee. Cecil Cooper did little in Boston aside from a productive half season in '75 but was an all star several times in Milwaukee. Ben Oglivie showed nothing in Boston for parts of three seasons before having some good seasons in Detroit and Milwakee. Tudor was good in Boston but won 21 games with St. Louis in 1985.
Other notable: Amos Otis, Roy Smalley, Johnny Grubb, Geoff Zahn, Donnie Moore, Don Aase, Ken Brett, Rick Miller, Gary Redus and Ernie Whiitt
Best draft - 1976 where 8 players made the majors including Boggs, Hurst and Tudor.
Worst and also his last draft - Gary Redus was the sole major league contributor and he never played in Boston.
38 of his players made the majors in his 12 years. 5 of his first rounders failed to.
Haywood Sullivan - 1978 - 1983
Biggest wins - Roger Clemens, Ellis Burks and Mike Greenwell
Solid Contributors - Oil Can Boyd, Matt Young (not in Boston).
Other notables - Al Nipper, Todd Benzinger, Glenn Davis, Dave Magadan, and our namesake, Sam Horn.
Best draft - 1983. When you draft one of the best pitchers of all time it's a win, but 7 others also made the majors.
Worst draft - 1978. Matt Young was it.
26 of his draftees made the majors in 6 years. He only whiffed with the first rounder in his first season.
Lou Gorman - 1984 - 1993
Biggest wins: Curt Schilling, Mo Vaughn, John Valentin, Aaron Sele, Trot Nixon and *cough* Jeff Bagwell
Solid contributors - Scotts Cooper and Hatteberg, Jeff Suppan, Jody Reed, Paul Quantrill, Tim Naerhing, Phil Plantier and Brady Anderson
Other notables: Joey Hamilton, Tino Martinez, Jack McDowell, and Todd Pratt
Best draft: 1989 Jeff Bagwell and Mo Vaughn
Worst draft: 1990 - Garr Finnvold was the big prize
67 of his draftees made the majors in 10 years. 3 seasons his first rounder did not.
Dan Duquette - 1994 - 2001
Biggest Wins -Nomar and Kevin Youkilis. I guess Pavano belongs here for helping net Pedro
Solid contributors - No secondary contributors - Manny Delcarmen?
Other notables - The Teixeira debacle, Kelly Shoppach Freddy Sanchez, David Eckstein, Adam Everett, Loomer Loni Ed Sprague and Lenny Dinardo who still gets great deals on pizza.
Best draft - '94 Nomar
Worst draft - The non Youkilis and Nomar drafts were all terrible
64 players made the majors in 8 years. 3 first rounders didn't make it.
Mike Port - 2002
Port had one draft and got Jon Lester and Brandon Moss so did very well for himself
Theo Epstein - 2003--2011
Biggest contributors - Mookie Betts, Dustin Pedroia, Anthony Rizzo (thanks for A-Gonz?), Jonathan Papelbon and JBJ
Solid contributors - Daniel Bard, Justin Masterson, Christian Vazquez, Josh Reddick, Travis Shaw, and Matt Barnes
Other notables - Brandon Belt, Charlie Blackmon, Pedro Alvarez, Yan Gomes, Josh Reddick, Steve Pearce, Yasmani Grandal, Kirby Yates and Hunter Strickland
Best draft - His last one in 2011 got us Betts, JBJ, Travis Shaw and Matt Barnes
Worst Draft - 2009 - Hazelbaker was the highlight
66 players made the majors in his 8 seasons. All of his first picks made the majors.
Edit to include international signings:
Lou Gorman signed Rafael Betancourt as a SS.
Duquette signed Hanley Ramirez, Anibel Sanchez and Jorge De La Rosa
Theo signed Dice-K, Okajima, Xander Bogaerts and Manuel Margot
Cherington signed Yoan Moncada and Rafael Devers
I'll leave it to you guys to analyze context, factoring things in like player pools, order of placement, gaming the system with lots of compensatory picks etc.
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