RealFantasy - Drops/Protections (PREPARING NOW FOR OFFSEASON DRAFT)

[Morgan's Magic Snowplow]

The playoffs are not yet concluded but we should probably start preparing for the offseason draft if we want to get at least some of it done before the real NFL draft.
 
As we decided last summer, the framework is this:
 
-Each team decides upon four players to drop from their roster completely (these guys go into the draft pool).
 
-Each team also decides upon 12 players to protect from the draft.
 
-All non-protected players are eligible to be drafted by other teams, except that once a team loses two players in this manner, the rest of their roster becomes protected.
 
-The draft pool therefore consists of all collegians eligible for the NFL draft, all non-rostered players, and all non-protected players.
 
-The draft will last 11 rounds.  Since everybody is losing 4 players through drops and (almost assuredly) two players to other teams, this will grow rosters by 5.
 
I'd like to get this going as soon as possible.  Lets give everybody 10 days to post in this thread their four drops and 12 protected players.
 
The deadline for posting is therefore April 25th at midnight.  Up until that point you can always edit your lists, so post earlier and get it done.
 
 
Teams that need to post their drops/keepers:
 
ESC - New England Patriots
Titoschew - Buffalo Bills
RedOctober - New York Jets
ElCab - Miami Dolphins
SN - Cleveland Ravens
SF121- Bengal Bay Bengals
SSF - Seoul Steelers
KFP/SMU - Austin Browns
JerBear - Houston Texans
Turrable - Karachi Jaguars
MSF - Indianapolis Colts
Scoops/Phragle - Tactical Turtlenecks
OFT - SanBerdoo Raiders
Bakahump - KC Chiefs
SPDougie - San Diego Chargers
Dollar - Denver Broncos
Myt - Dallas Cowboys
Mascho - Washington Redskins
ilol@u - NY Giants
Laddie - Philadelphia Eagles
MysticMerlin - Chicago Bears
dgilpin - Detroit Lions
PDBWake - Green Bay Packers
sleepyjose - Minnesota Vikings
BSJ - Syracuse Snow Falcons
MMS - Mogadishu Buccaneers
WSW - Intercourse Sex Panthers
Saturnian - Sin City Saints
dylanmarsh - Arizona Cardinals
ragnarok - St Louis Rams
DoDM - San Francisco 49ers
DanoooMe - Seattle Seahawks

 

[Morgan's Magic Snowplow]

My drops/protections:
 
Four Drops
 
Kai Forbath
Shane Lechler
Isaiah Pead
Jarius Wright
 
Twelve Protected Guys
 
Sam Bradford
Von Miller
Dez Bryant
Michael Floyd
Eric Fisher
Jason Kelce
Mitchell Schwartz
Justin Pugh
Ryan Kerrigan
Eric Weddle
Cortez Allen
Keenan Lewis

 

[Eck'sSneakyCheese]

I think the Supplemental Draft should be off limits. If you hit on any of those guys you should be rewarded.

 

[DanoooME]

My issue is finding 12 keepers.  I pity the fools that pick guys off of this mess.
 
Drops:
 
Matt Flynn, QB
Jordan Gross, OT, Retired
Antoine Winfield, CB, ditto
Ronnie Brown, RB
 
Keepers:
 
Alfred Morris, RB
Rob Gronkowski, TE
Luke Willson, TE
Matt Kalil, OT
Max Unger, C
Brian Winters, OG
Austin Howard, OT
James Laurinaitis, LB
Sio Moore, LB
Nick Roach, LB
Kam Chancellor, SS
Dashon Goldson, FS

 

[Morgan's Magic Snowplow]

I think the Supplemental Draft should be off limits. If you hit on any of those guys you should be rewarded.

Dude we're not changing the rules we voted on. Period. Just post your guys. We can revisit the rules after the draft, as we already agreed.

 

[Eck'sSneakyCheese]

Dude we're not changing the rules we voted on. Period. Just post your guys. We can revisit the rules after the draft, as we already agreed.

 
I thought I'd give it a shot. I have 11 rookies. It seems pretty dumb that I have to give up on some of them after one year.

 

[RedOctober3829]

Drops
Geno Smith
Brad Meester
Stephen Peterman
Kyle Love

Keepers
Marshawn Lynch
Danny Woodhead
Dennis Pitta
David DeCastro
Marques Colston
NaVorro Bowman
Aldon Smith
Jeremy Kerley
Andrew Whitworth
Marcus Cannon
Janoris Jenkins
Alan Branch

 

[dylanmarsh]

Drops
Nnamdi Asomugha
Nate Livings
Ryan Williams
Jerron McMillian

Keepers
Drew Brees
Ray Rice
Daryl Washington
Tyler Eifert
Kyle Long
Dontari Poe
Terrell Suggs
Darnell Dockett
Jeremy Maclin
Chris Snee
Dustin Colquitt
Justin Hunter

 

[ElcaballitoMVP]

Drops:
Matt Barkley
Connor Barth
TJ Graham
Parys Haralson
 
Keepers:
Keenan Allen
Jordan Cameron
Dwayne Allen
Ryan Clady
Travis Frederick
Mike Pouncey
Larry Warford
Michael Johnson
Star Lotulelei
Clay Matthews
Dee Milliner
Brandon Boykin

 

[Dgilpin]

Drops
Nate Burelson
Ryan Broyles
Ed Dickson
Adam Podlesh
 
Keepers
Ryan Tannehill
Lesean McCoy
Desean Jackson
Pierre Garcon
Joe Thomas
Andre Smith
Chris Long
Brandon Mebane
Leon Hall
Glover Quinn
Matt Prater
Willie Young

 

[soxfan121]

Drops
Brandon Moore (OL)
Nick McDonald (OL)
Armond Armstead (DL)
Drew Butler (P)
 
Keepers
Tom Brady
Andre Ellington
Victor Cruz
Kendall Wright
Mike Iupati
Phil Loadholt
Evan Dietrich-Smith
Cameron Jordan
Kiko Alonso
Corey Liuget
Athyba Rubin
William Moore

 

[JerBear]

Drop:
Stanford Routt
Brian Urlacher
Brandon Lloyd
Nick Toon
 
Keep:
Matt Ryan
Marcus Lattimore
Anquan Boldin
Branden Albert
Nick Mangold
Robert Mathis
Linval Joseph
Paul Soliai
Derrick Johnson
Brandon Browner
Brandon Ghee
Dwight Lowery

 

[Titoschew]

Drops:
Shayne Graham
Steve Gregory
Brice McCain
Erik Pears
 
Protected:
Ben Rapist
Julio Jones
Antonio Brown
Riley Cooper
Nate Solder
Alex Mack
Jabaal Sheard
Sean Weatherspoon
DeAndre Levy
Corey Leomonier
Kraig Urbik
Jimmy Smith

 

[Super Nomario]

CUTS:
Richard Seymour
James Harrison
Derek Cox
David Akers
 
KEEPERS:
Colin Kaepernick
Giovani Bernard
Michael Crabtree
Hakeem Nicks
Anthony Castonzo
Alex Boone
Anthony Davis
Quinton Coples
Haloti Ngata
Bruce Irvin
Stephon Gilmore
Kenny Vaccaro

 

[MarcSullivaFan]

Cut:
Kluwe
Rayford
Lilja
Tavon Wilson

Keep:
Stafford
Joeckel
Decker
J.Jones
D. Thomas
E. Thomas
D. Ware
C. Avril
R. Bryant
D. Bryant
A. Jones
R. Bironas

 

[DaughtersofDougMirabelli]

DROP
Rolando McClain
Tony Gonzalez
Johnathan Franklin
Philip Adams
 
KEEP
Eli Manning
Muhammad Wilkerson
Brian Orakpo
Jairus Byrd
Eugene Monroe
Mike Wallace
Andy Levitre
Lamarr Houston
Brent Grimes
Danny Amendola
Phil Taylor
Dion Jordan

 

[bakahump]

KC Chiefs
 
Drops
Josh Freeman
BJ Coleman
Larry Foote
Kurt Coleman
 
 
12 Keepers
1. Joe Haden
2. Aqib Talib
3. Everson Griffin
4. Dwan Edwards
5. Jason Pierre-Paul
6. Jake Long
7. Julian Edleman
8. Chris Johnson
9. Matthew Slater
10. Jo-Lonn Dunbar
11. Nick Hardwick
12. Micheal Oher

 

[mascho]

Drops:
 
1. Kerry Rhodes
2. Gerald Hodges
3. Lawrence Okoye
4. Khalif Barnes
 
Keeps:
 
1. Joe Flacco
2. Vernon Davis
3. Trent Williams
4.  Alshon Jeffery
5. Sheldon Richardson
6. Greg Hardy
7. Alec Ogletree
8. DeAndre Hopkins
9. LeVeon Bell
10.Gosder Cherilus
11. Kareem Jackson
12.Nick Fairley

 

[Old Fart Tree]

Ukiah Raiders
 
Drops:
Tim Tebow
Jahvid Best
Patrick Chung
Corey Webster
 
Keepers
Josh Sitton
Kawann Short
Sebastian Janikowski
Aaron Rodgers
Justin Tuck
Ryan Kalil
Wes Welker
Russell Okung
Carl Nicks
Josh Chapman
David Bakhtiari
Henry Melton
Jonathan Babineaux

 

[SMU_Sox]

General question - are we allowed to make trades?

 

[Phragle]

The deadline for posting is therefore April 25th at midnight.  Up until that point you can always edit your lists, so post earlier and get it done.

 
Or else what? There are some owners I haven't seen around lately.
 
 

General question - are we allowed to make trades?

 
If we allow trades negotiations should be public. We should have a trade thread or something.

 

[Old Fart Tree]

Why should negotiations be public?

 

[soxfan121]

 
Or else what? There are some owners I haven't seen around lately.

 
I think we take a best-effort guess at their lists and make them live with the results. Time marches on.

 

[soxfan121]

Why should negotiations be public?

 
So we can laugh at them.

 

[Kenny F'ing Powers]

Yeah, we never got a hard answer on this, I believe. 
 
We don't have any trades lined up, but if we still have over a week to handle keepers/cuts, it would obviously change our mindset a little.

 

[Phragle]

Why should negotiations be public?

 
I think it will be easier, and no one will scream collusion (cough Eck)
 
If I said "Ok Calais Campbell is available", instead of handling 30 separate PMs I can let the best offer work itself out.
 

 
So we can laugh at them.

 
What do you want for Mike Adams?

 

[Eck'sSneakyCheese]

 
I think it will be easier, and no one will scream collusion (cough Eck)

:bill-throwing:
 
Fuck you.

 

[Super Nomario]

 
I think it will be easier, and no one will scream collusion (cough Eck)
 
If I said "Ok Calais Campbell is available", instead of handling 30 separate PMs I can let the best offer work itself out.
 
 
What do you want for Mike Adams?

Wait is Calais Campbell really available?

 

[ElcaballitoMVP]

I think a trade thread is a good idea but I don't know that negotiations have to be made in public. 
 
Teams can use the trade thread to announce players on the block, what they're looking for in return and any agreed-to deals, but offers can still go through PM's. This will also help cut down on the clutter in the thread. 
 
By the way, Ryan Clady and Mike Pouncey are on the block. 

 

[Phragle]

Wait is Calais Campbell really available?

 
Realistically? No, but I think in theory everyone is available at the right price. I just can't imagine what it would take to get Campbell.
 

I think a trade thread is a good idea but I don't know that negotiations have to be made in public. 
 
Teams can use the trade thread to announce players on the block, what they're looking for in return and any agreed-to deals, but offers can still go through PM's. This will also help cut down on the clutter in the thread. 
 
By the way, Ryan Clady and Mike Pouncey are on the block. 

 
So clutter is what you're worried about?
 
What would you want for Pouncey?

 

[DaughtersofDougMirabelli]

Who wants Eli?!

 

[ElcaballitoMVP]

 
Realistically? No, but I think in theory everyone is available at the right price. I just can't imagine what it would take to get Campbell.
 
 
So clutter is what you're worried about?
 
What would you want for Pouncey?

 
Well I think it's more realistic if negotiations aren't in public and yeah, I'd rather not read 6 posts in a row going back and forth on the value of some guy I have no interest in. 
 
As for a Pouncey deal, I'm looking to upgrade at WR/S/LB/HB. I'll take a look at your team and see if there's a match. 

 

[soxfan121]

What do you want for Mike Adams?

 
You mean I don't have to give you something to take him?

 

[Morgan's Magic Snowplow]

General question - are we allowed to make trades?

 
No.  If we had a big discussion about trades starting a few months ago, maybe it would have been possible.  But there's no way that we're going to have a substantial discussion, a league wide vote, and then some kind of reasonable trading period when we want to get the draft started in 10 days.
 
More generally, we voted on the rules last summer and it was a big pain in the ass.  We decided that we would operate under those rules through this draft and then have a period to evaluate and potentially vote on rules again over the summer.  That's what we decided - by vote - and so that's what we should stick with. 

 

[SMU_Sox]

You assume I remember the rules we agreed on? Please don't. SMU's brain is somewhat fried right now. He's even talking about himself in the 3rd or 4th person. SMU was merely inquiring what the fuck we agreed too as he can't remember his ass from yesterday.

 

[Phragle]

 
No.  If we had a big discussion about trades starting a few months ago, maybe it would have been possible.  But there's no way that we're going to have a substantial discussion, a league wide vote, and then some kind of reasonable trading period when we want to get the draft started in 10 days.
 
More generally, we voted on the rules last summer and it was a big pain in the ass.  We decided that we would operate under those rules through this draft and then have a period to evaluate and potentially vote on rules again over the summer.  That's what we decided - by vote - and so that's what we should stick with. 

What would we need to vote on? It's not like anyone is forcing anyone to trade like we are forced to release players. If someone doesn't want to trade they don't have to.

 

[Kenny F'ing Powers]

What would we need to vote on? It's not like anyone is forcing anyone to trade like we are forced to release players. If someone doesn't want to trade they don't have to.

 
I love when you get all, "Oh, you want A? Whats wrong with B?! BOOM!"
 
Or something like that.

 

[ElcaballitoMVP]

I'm fine with no trades. It's something we can discuss for next offseason, I suppose.  
 
I'd also like to implement some sort of system where if you lose a player for the season (retirement, season ending IR, etc), you're allowed to put in a claim for a non-rostered player to replace him for the rest of the season so we aren't left with holes in our lineup. I don't know how we'd handle the rosters in this situation (do you release the player who's out for the season? just add another player to your roster?). We could make these in-season pickups ineligible to be kept by that team the following season so a team can't lose a Megatron for the season and stumble into another stud receiver who comes out of nowhere. '
 
For example, I lost my kicker and a LB before the season started and my starting LT and TE within the first two weeks of the season. It would've been nice if I could've filled in those spots to field a full squad. 

 

[DaughtersofDougMirabelli]

I'm fine with no trades. It's something we can discuss for next offseason, I suppose.  
 
I'd also like to implement some sort of system where if you lose a player for the season (retirement, season ending IR, etc), you're allowed to put in a claim for a non-rostered player to replace him for the rest of the season so we aren't left with holes in our lineup. I don't know how we'd handle the rosters in this situation (do you release the player who's out for the season? just add another player to your roster?). We could make these in-season pickups ineligible to be kept by that team the following season so a team can't lose a Megatron for the season and stumble into another stud receiver who comes out of nowhere. '
 
For example, I lost my kicker and a LB before the season started and my starting LT and TE within the first two weeks of the season. It would've been nice if I could've filled in those spots to field a full squad. 

 
I think the hope is that we will continue to add depth so that we have the bench players to fill in those spots.
 
That doesn't fix losing your kicker. Maybe we look into allowing Ks & Ps to be added mid season if lost to IR. Or maybe some sort of league-wide Taxis Squad that we make up before the season to pop in for those lost players. This way they can't add the 'hot' kicker, and they just get whoever is next in the taxi. 

 

[Old Fart Tree]

I think we should allow trades.

 

[soxfan121]

I think we should allow trades.

 
You've changed, man. The old you just made trades, rules be damned. Rules are for the phragles of the league, right?

 

[Old Fart Tree]

Agreed. Allow me to rephrase:
 
I am going to make trades.

 

[Phragle]

So we aren't doing the stealing round? I thought that was a pretty popular idea.
 

No.  If we had a big discussion about trades starting a few months ago, maybe it would have been possible.  But there's no way that we're going to have a substantial discussion, a league wide vote, and then some kind of reasonable trading period when we want to get the draft started in 10 days.
 
More generally, we voted on the rules last summer and it was a big pain in the ass.  We decided that we would operate under those rules through this draft and then have a period to evaluate and potentially vote on rules again over the summer.  That's what we decided - by vote - and so that's what we should stick with. 

 
Trading period? Why would we need that?
 

 
I love when you get all, "Oh, you want A? Whats wrong with B?! BOOM!"
 
Or something like that.

 
What do you mean? I just don't know what the big deal is. Who would vote against trades? I think the interest in this could use a boost. I think trades would make it more fun. It would also really help out people like OFT and Baka who took over teams from bad owners. What if OFT hates Aaron Rodgers? I know I hate Aaron Rodgers. He should be able to trade Aaron Rodgers. As long as one team is dumping players, I don't see the issue.
 

 
I think the hope is that we will continue to add depth so that we have the bench players to fill in those spots.
 
That doesn't fix losing your kicker. Maybe we look into allowing Ks & Ps to be added mid season if lost to IR. Or maybe some sort of league-wide Taxis Squad that we make up before the season to pop in for those lost players. This way they can't add the 'hot' kicker, and they just get whoever is next in the taxi. 

 
Hey do you have Madden? A bunch of the draft writers on twitter did an exercise like this, and one writer (Shane Hallam) put the rosters on Madden. He said if you turn injuries off you don't need to create full rosters. I don't have Madden (or a working PS3), but if one of us does we could quickly simulate the Super Bowl, or even the conference championship games too. Shouldn't take more than 20 minutes to create two quick rosters.
 

I think we should allow trades.

 
I don't see why not. I'm going to start a poll. Maybe the results will be strong enough to change MMS's mind.

 

[SMU_Sox]

Madden has the 2014 rookies? I don't own it.

 

[Phragle]

It has all the players on our current rosters. 

 

[SMU_Sox]

It has all the players on our current rosters. 

Do you have it and a station to do it?

 

[DaughtersofDougMirabelli]

Hey do you have Madden? A bunch of the draft writers on twitter did an exercise like this, and one writer (Shane Hallam) put the rosters on Madden. He said if you turn injuries off you don't need to create full rosters. I don't have Madden (or a working PS3), but if one of us does we could quickly simulate the Super Bowl, or even the conference championship games too. Shouldn't take more than 20 minutes to create two quick rosters.

 
I don't, but I do have a PS3 and should be able to get my hands on a copy.

 

[Phragle]

No, that why I asked DDM if he had it. We didn't do it during the season because of the huge amount of time we thought it would take, but if we only need to do 2-4 rosters it shouldn't take much more than an hour.

 

[DaughtersofDougMirabelli]

Just talked to a buddy of mine. I'm grabbing it tomorrow and have Friday off. I'll post the results then. 

 

[Scoops Bolling]

Drops:
AQ Shipley
Brian Quick
Tyrod Taylor
Taylor Thompson
 
Protect:
RG3
Percy Harvin
Sean Lee
Jason Worilds
Jamie Collins
Calais Campbell
Fletcher Cox
Ben Grubbs
Sam Shields
Clint Boling
Shane Vereen
Lane Johnson