RealFantasy Pigskin 2013: Draft and Discussion
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We thought we were close, but research turned up some serious concerns so we had to go back to our list...and things have degenerated from there. We've been quick with our picks so far, so yall will just have to excuse this delay.Morgan's Magic Snowplow said:
Morgan's Magic Snowplow said:
Is the clock not there for us to use? It's not like this is a trend. All our other picks were made instantly.
This is the problem sharing a team with someone, would drive me nuts. But you are correct that's why the clock is therephragle said:
Great. Knew we should have shunned you out of this draft before things went south.
phragle said:
Scoops Bolling said:
Scoops Bolling said:
Rules are rules ... but you guys still suck.phragle said:
The rules are made more for those that can't get to a computer rather than those that can't make a decision.
But it is 11PM on a Sunday so I don't think deliberating at this point is a huge deal.
But it is 11PM on a Sunday so I don't think deliberating at this point is a huge deal.
Super Nomario said:
Pretty much.DaughtersofDougMirabelli said:
I just sent phragle the following via pm regarding when their clock runs out given that it started on the weekend but may continue tomorrow morning.
Last pick was around 8:00, so if you use four hours on the weekend that counts for two hours during the week. So you have four more hours from when the clock starts tomorrow morning.
What the hell? Thanks for forcing me to watch the Oscars and interacting with my wife. Bastards.phragle said:
Well, after some back and forth, the Tactical Turtlenecks have come to a decision. Having taken a bit of a raw LT in Lane Johnson, it probably makes sense to put a reliable veteran next to him who can help cover up for any rookie mistakes. As such, the Tennessee Tactical Turtlenecks are very pleased to select...
Ben Grubbs, LG
Myt1 PMed.
Ben Grubbs, LG
Myt1 PMed.
The Myt Cowboys take a risk at OT by selecting:
Bryan Bulaga
Yeah, I know his hip is messed up. But he claims he'll be ready for camp and at this point in the draft he feels like a good gamble. 23 years old, 6'5' 315 lbs.
Bryan Bulaga
Yeah, I know his hip is messed up. But he claims he'll be ready for camp and at this point in the draft he feels like a good gamble. 23 years old, 6'5' 315 lbs.
With their seventh round selection, the Buffalo Bills select C Alex Mack.
Has yet to miss a game since coming into the league out of Cal as a first round pick in 2009. Keeps a good pad level to react accordingly to stunts and blitzes and a good athlete at 6'4" 310.
PM sent to rag
Has yet to miss a game since coming into the league out of Cal as a first round pick in 2009. Keeps a good pad level to react accordingly to stunts and blitzes and a good athlete at 6'4" 310.
PM sent to rag
Just woke up, sorry for the delay.
With this run on OL going on, I'm really happy with getting my previous LT pick under the wire. I'm tempted to go back to the OL here given how many names are coming off the board, but I think there's still a great deal of depth at the OG, RT, and C positions. Where there's virtually no depth left is with pass rushers, and there's one guy I came so close to picking on the way past me that there's no way I can pass him up snaking back.
With the 205th pick in the draft, the LA Rams select DE Paul Kruger.
The only 3-4 OLBs with a higher PFF pass rush grade than Kruger this year? Oh, just guys named Matthews, Smith, and Ware. He tallied nine sacks, and was by far the best pass rusher the Ravens had all year. While this was certainly a break-out year for Kruger, given a chance to play over 1,000 snaps including post-season games due to injury time for Suggs and the departure of Jarrett Johnson in the offseason, this production isn't off the map for him. Kruger made an impact as a situational pass rusher in 2011 as well (pass rush grade of +9.3 in 2011, +15.7 in 2012), so he's not just a one year wonder.
Kruger does have his shortcomings. He hasn't proven he can be a reliable 3 down defender and play the run well consistently. His pass rushing stats have been accumulated in bursts rather than at a consistent rate (although this doesn't seem to be all that uncommon for top tier pass rushers). But Kruger can be a force rushing the passer, and has at least flashed the ability to do other things well in spurts. He's about to get a big payday somewhere, and will likely be expected to round out his game to earn it. Having only turned 27 a couple weeks ago, he's really just starting to enter his prime. I envision him becoming the anchoring force behind some team (maybe the Raven's) pass rush for the next 5 years. In our fantasy league here, it will be the Rams.
There's a bit of a question for me in terms of where we play Kruger. I think his skills play well at both the 4-3 DE or the 3-4 OLB. It will depend on how I can fill out the rest of the roster. For now, I think you can pencil him in as a DE opposite Bennett. I really love pairing Kruger and Bennett (who also picked up 9 sacks this year), as Bennett is a bigger DE with a much stronger track record in setting the edge and playing the run well. They complement eachother well.
EDIT - PM sent to MMS
With this run on OL going on, I'm really happy with getting my previous LT pick under the wire. I'm tempted to go back to the OL here given how many names are coming off the board, but I think there's still a great deal of depth at the OG, RT, and C positions. Where there's virtually no depth left is with pass rushers, and there's one guy I came so close to picking on the way past me that there's no way I can pass him up snaking back.
With the 205th pick in the draft, the LA Rams select DE Paul Kruger.
The only 3-4 OLBs with a higher PFF pass rush grade than Kruger this year? Oh, just guys named Matthews, Smith, and Ware. He tallied nine sacks, and was by far the best pass rusher the Ravens had all year. While this was certainly a break-out year for Kruger, given a chance to play over 1,000 snaps including post-season games due to injury time for Suggs and the departure of Jarrett Johnson in the offseason, this production isn't off the map for him. Kruger made an impact as a situational pass rusher in 2011 as well (pass rush grade of +9.3 in 2011, +15.7 in 2012), so he's not just a one year wonder.
Kruger does have his shortcomings. He hasn't proven he can be a reliable 3 down defender and play the run well consistently. His pass rushing stats have been accumulated in bursts rather than at a consistent rate (although this doesn't seem to be all that uncommon for top tier pass rushers). But Kruger can be a force rushing the passer, and has at least flashed the ability to do other things well in spurts. He's about to get a big payday somewhere, and will likely be expected to round out his game to earn it. Having only turned 27 a couple weeks ago, he's really just starting to enter his prime. I envision him becoming the anchoring force behind some team (maybe the Raven's) pass rush for the next 5 years. In our fantasy league here, it will be the Rams.
There's a bit of a question for me in terms of where we play Kruger. I think his skills play well at both the 4-3 DE or the 3-4 OLB. It will depend on how I can fill out the rest of the roster. For now, I think you can pencil him in as a DE opposite Bennett. I really love pairing Kruger and Bennett (who also picked up 9 sacks this year), as Bennett is a bigger DE with a much stronger track record in setting the edge and playing the run well. They complement eachother well.
EDIT - PM sent to MMS
Will post write up later, I'll take Mitchell Schwartz, RT Browns. Can somebody pm DODM for me? On mobile.
I knew Kruger was going to come off the board at about this time. I'm pretty sure a few other teams had him on their lists. My concern about Paul is that he gets a lot of favorable matchups playing on that Baltimore D. I also feel like he is a one trick pony who might not succeed behind a sub-par front 3 or 4. In other words I see Kruger as a product of Baltimore's system.
Granted, he has come into his own as a pass rusher this year. But I still don't trust him going forward. That said you have two good pass rushers already so Kruger might get the same benefit playing for your team as he would playing for Baltimore.
Granted, he has come into his own as a pass rusher this year. But I still don't trust him going forward. That said you have two good pass rushers already so Kruger might get the same benefit playing for your team as he would playing for Baltimore.
Is Baltimore's front really that great? Ngata is awesome (that's why I picked him), but the other guys - Cody, Kemoeatu, Arthur Jones, McPhee - are just guys.SMU_Sox said:
I almost went with Kruger with my last pick but ultimately decided Irvin's youth and upside was too much to ignore. Plus I was never going to find enough guys to build an all-Mormon, all-Raven, all-Utah team.
SMU_Sox said:
What SN said here. -snip- Quite the contrary, I feel like Kruger was possibly the only legitimate outside threat and I'm impressed he was able to rack up the 9 sacks even when he was the default target for chips and double teams.
Irvin was high on my board as well. The trade off with him is that i don't think he's EVER going to be a good player against the run. He does rush the passer at a near-elite level, even as a rookie, which is really valuable. But there's no slot in this draft for "pass rush specialist" and I feel glad to have Kruger who I think at least has potential to develop a more well-rounded game. That being said, if Irvin had been there I might have gone that direction as well. I would have thought long and hard for sure.
EDIT - removed player specifics, good call phragle.
Super Nomario said:
We probably shouldn't discuss player specifics, but I'm with SMU on the Ravens system and Paul Kruger. I think there's a good chance he's the next Adalius Thomas.
I blame KFP for the offensive line run and I'm pretty certain he was hoping this would happen. Since he made his comment 50% of the picks have been offensive lineman. At my last spot I was deciding between Wallace and a G so I basically scratched him and started looking elsewhere. Well he fell.
The 49ers select: LG, Andy Levitre
He was the top interior lineman on my board for the past round and a half. At only 26 he's already one of the top LGs in the league.
PFF had him ranked as the top pass blocking guard and the 3rd LG behind Mathis (31), Iupati (25), and Grubbs (29). His age is the main reason I had him ranked right below Iupati, yet he went three rounds later. In 2011 he was also ranked 3rd behind Nicks and Mathis.
He's already become an elite player at his position and seems to just be entering his prime. His run blocking could use a lot of work but at this point my passing game should be trending towards the top of the league. Eli, Monroe, Levitre, and Wallace is a great core in the NFL's pass first mentality.
The 49ers select: LG, Andy Levitre
He was the top interior lineman on my board for the past round and a half. At only 26 he's already one of the top LGs in the league.
PFF had him ranked as the top pass blocking guard and the 3rd LG behind Mathis (31), Iupati (25), and Grubbs (29). His age is the main reason I had him ranked right below Iupati, yet he went three rounds later. In 2011 he was also ranked 3rd behind Nicks and Mathis.
He's already become an elite player at his position and seems to just be entering his prime. His run blocking could use a lot of work but at this point my passing game should be trending towards the top of the league. Eli, Monroe, Levitre, and Wallace is a great core in the NFL's pass first mentality.
This was my thought exactly. I thought about him for both of my last 2 picks but decided against him because I don't know if its him or the system.phragle said:
EDIT: I should clarify, I don't think its a bad pick. I just decided against it.
JerBear said:
Really hard to have this talk without discussion the players surrounding him, but the Ravens system is nothing special. What made Thomas look good (and he looked good with the Pats the first year as well) was the talent playing around him. The talent level has fallen off considerably. It's not the case as with Thomas where he was playing with a ton of other players that were producing bigger numbers than him but made him look impressive. Kruger put up bigger numbers and was more productive than all the players around him (at least in the pass rush).
Sorry buddy. You stole Trent right out from under me a few rounds ago so I guess we're even now.mascho said:
With DoDM destroying my notion of locking down the entire left side of my offensive line, I'm turning to my Plan B, which is locking up a bookend right tackle to pair with Trent Williams. With their 7th round selection, the Washington Redskins select:
Gosder Cherilus, RT
I'm guessing his age (28) is the reason he's still on the board, but PFF had him as their second highest RT for the past season. A better pass blocker than a run blocker, but he's also good in the screen game. We're going to be a passing/screen type of offense, and he fits our system well. He should give us three or four solid years and we're happy to have him.
EDIT: PM was sent, FYI.
Gosder Cherilus, RT
I'm guessing his age (28) is the reason he's still on the board, but PFF had him as their second highest RT for the past season. A better pass blocker than a run blocker, but he's also good in the screen game. We're going to be a passing/screen type of offense, and he fits our system well. He should give us three or four solid years and we're happy to have him.
EDIT: PM was sent, FYI.
I don't think it's his age; it's his knee. He's already had a microfracture procedure, and he reportedly traveled to Germany for a Regenokine procedure.
That's a good pick at this point in the draft, though.
That's a good pick at this point in the draft, though.
Thomas was playing on the #1 scoring D in the league. The Ravens this year were 12th. It's not the same team, Super Bowl victory notwithstanding.phragle said:
As for player specifics, I think there's a difference between talking about players in the context of the draft ("I can't believe Player X is still available") and just mentioning player names in the course of football discussion.
mascho said:With DoDM destroying my notion of locking down the entire left side of my offensive line, I'm turning to my Plan B, which is locking up a bookend right tackle to pair with Trent Williams. With their 7th round selection, the Washington Redskins select:
Gosder Cherilus, RT
I'm guessing his age (28) is the reason he's still on the board, but PFF had him as their second highest RT for the past season. A better pass blocker than a run blocker, but he's also good in the screen game. We're going to be a passing/screen type of offense, and he fits our system well. He should give us three or four solid years and we're happy to have him.
Very good pass blocking RT, mediocre at best in run blocking. One of bigger knocks is the amount of penalties he gets called for, especially pre-snap.
mascho said:With DoDM destroying my notion of locking down the entire left side of my offensive line, I'm turning to my Plan B, which is locking up a bookend right tackle to pair with Trent Williams. With their 7th round selection, the Washington Redskins select:
Gosder Cherilus, RT
I'm guessing his age (28) is the reason he's still on the board, but PFF had him as their second highest RT for the past season. A better pass blocker than a run blocker, but he's also good in the screen game. We're going to be a passing/screen type of offense, and he fits our system well. He should give us three or four solid years and we're happy to have him.
I was very close to taking him.
mascho said:With DoDM destroying my notion of locking down the entire left side of my offensive line, I'm turning to my Plan B, which is locking up a bookend right tackle to pair with Trent Williams. With their 7th round selection, the Washington Redskins select:
Gosder Cherilus, RT
I'm guessing his age (28) is the reason he's still on the board, but PFF had him as their second highest RT for the past season. A better pass blocker than a run blocker, but he's also good in the screen game. We're going to be a passing/screen type of offense, and he fits our system well. He should give us three or four solid years and we're happy to have him.
Yeah - he and Schwartz were the two guys I was thinking of staying on OL side for. Really good pick at this point. As MM mentions, the only concern is the knee. If he stays healthy he's a steal here.
DaughtersofDougMirabelli said:
What the fuck is wrong with all you people? You draft QB's and linemen, but are going to leave all the punters and kickers to SMU and I?
Learn how to draft...
Morgan's Magic Snowplow said:
After shaking off some early struggles, the second rounder out of Cal quietly had one of the best rookie years of any player around the league, excelling in particular in pass protection. A reknowned football nerd, Schwartz apparently followed Joe Thomas like a puppy the entire year. It seems to have worked, because he gave up some of the least pressure of any RT this year despite getting relentlessly attacked by defenses trying to exploit the non-Thomas edge. PFF had this to say after the season: "With all of the attention being drawn to the glamor positions in the league, the one guy you won’t hear mentioned for rookie of the year is Browns RT Mitchell Schwartz, but on this performance, maybe that’s wrong. Schwartz ends the season as our 7th ranked right tackle and almost all of his negative comes down to three games from the first half of his season. Take those three games out of his grade and he would actually be the best graded RT in football this year and tie Michael Roos for 3rd overall in our OT ranks."
I wasn't planning on going RT here but Schwartz looked like the best young player available, at a position that is more important than often given credit. I don't think you can win in today's NFL without being able to throw it well and, with all apologies to the importance of keeping your QBs feet clean, RT is still by far the second most important line position in pass protection. With Fisher and Schwartz, I have an extremely talented young pair of bookends (alternatively, an investment bank or Brooklyn department store) to protect Bradford and put him in the best position to reach his potential.
I was planning to take a G with my last pick and almost switched it up out of spite. He and SMU are going to be laughing when they take a WR and RB with the next two picks.
Aside: Am I the only one who thinks the new quote functionality sucks? Every time I try to cut from somebody's post I lose the quotes.
Super Nomario said:
The quote function since the last upgrade has been problematic.
The unholy union of initials might have sparked a run, or that run was coming. Either way, they're still gonna have to eat the Jamarcus Sanchez pupu platter at some point.
Finally, I am going to laugh long and hard when the unholy union of initials takes a washed up RB named after a Nicolas Cage movie character and try to spin it as "best back in the league!".
Super Nomario said:
That's my prediction for the master plan as well.
After all, if you get a top RB then even if your QB blows you still might have....one of the worst offenses in the league (ie, CHI, TEN, KC, JAX, PHI).
So far I am happy with my draft. The one exception may be gordon. Love his upside but may have taken him a round or two early.
With the Jets' 7th round pick, we select ILB D'Qwell Jackson. He has been a beast for the Cleveland Browns, but at the same time is vastly underrated. In his last 3 healthy seasons, he's had 2 seasons over 150 tackles. He will fit in very nicely alongside NaVorro Bowman in my 3-4 defense. I can't put up a pic cause Photobucket is down.
