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RealFantasy Supplemental Draft 2014
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Hey wait. Why are we not randomizing the draft order for this one? Injuries during training camp are random.
If you want someone to do a random draft order we can even have witnesses in excel... it's a pretty easy concept. I mean on the publicly available spreadsheet.
If you want someone to do a random draft order we can even have witnesses in excel... it's a pretty easy concept. I mean on the publicly available spreadsheet.
SMU_Sox said:
I'd say to screw over playoff teams and specifically teams that said they were good enough to win a division and then changed their minds and tried to argue they were actually bad when they realized that winning the division meant a poor draft pick.
Or, seriously, because it was the order for the regular draft and the competition committee is going to have a hard time herding the cats, let alone implementing a new draft order.
soxfan121 said:
If God existed and came down and told you that I legitimately changed my mind because I was persuaded otherwise you STILL wouldn't believe it. That or you're fucking with me because you know that I changed my mind via the weight of the evidence (like I have in a ton of other threads) and you just want to get under my skin.
Edited: nvm
SMU_Sox said:
First, I cannot help you with the non-football matter. Sorry, but I do hope you find happiness.
Second, if God existed and visited me I am positive there would be better topics of discussion than your motives in a football league.
Third, I am absolutely fucking with you because KFP gets all sensi about it whereas you not only take it but you are NICE about it. Which discourages me for a few weeks.
KFP and I look at the game differently from each other and, to an extent, from the group. Because of that we have to live with people disagreeing with us. I get the added benefit of having my viewpoints challenged and learning something in the process... it's pretty sweet. I don't want to speak for KFP but my only worry would be someone not being objective in their grading because they have a beef with me or KFP - we're a lot less vocal than we were but... I don't think the Browns shed their reputation for pushing. But at the same time I don't think me asking for a random draft order for this round is out of sorts. That we won't do it because the organizers are stretched thin is a fine explanation for me. It's not like I volunteered. At the same time I don't think it's necessarily fair to continue to punish the teams that did well last year when injuries at this point in the year are random AND we're going to have turn-around for our teams here too. I hope that I'm in a better position next year so I can help more. The problem was work hours were really adding up.
Is that too much personal info on a not-real-life football draft thread? Should I say fuck it and pick SMU_Sox' new date with my #1 pick?
I'll tell my wife just shut th....soxfan121 said:
...shit here she comes. Be right back guyz -- have to finish the laundry.
I think ive made it very clear since the playoffs thay I dont care about this process.soxfan121 said:
Youre confused.
I think I agree with SMU here (though I'm towards the back end so I may be bias). This portion of the draft feels more like free agency and a random order feels more fair than following the original draft order.
Hey now, I already have a pick. Hell, I have TWO picks ready to go.
If it's a snake, why not. If it's a totally new random order, I say the Steelers FO is going to throw a red flag
If it's a snake, why not. If it's a totally new random order, I say the Steelers FO is going to throw a red flag
I think we should start; the "random order" idea got just 7 votes so I think we just move forward as-is.SeoulSoxFan said:Hey now, I already have a pick. Hell, I have TWO picks ready to go.
If it's a snake, why not. If it's a totally new random order, I say the Steelers FO is going to throw a red flag
Now wait - if we don't make the change now for the draft order in this round I sincerely hope we are not doing it later. I mean, look, we have one member of our league, and a guy I like btw, in SSF voting not to change it because he wants his #1 spot. Fine. But if you vote that way you have to live with your decision later on. Even though I think it's the right move going forward I'd have to vote 'no' based on fairness.
Should we shorten the hours a little bit because it's like the 40th round and we have a real deadline coming up? We need to finish this a little earlier to fit in the IR stuff.
I sent SSF a tweet too.
I sent SSF a tweet too.
Sorry fellas -- crazy day today.
I've got my pick but not a writeup. Seoul Steelers make up for Marcel Reece's injury by picking up the "best FB in football*"
FB/TE James Develin
Versatile, powerful, coachable, and has hands as soft as a duckling's tummy. Welcome to the Steelers nation Mr. Develin!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PpjxpO0Zk0
* per Tom Brady
I've got my pick but not a writeup. Seoul Steelers make up for Marcel Reece's injury by picking up the "best FB in football*"
FB/TE James Develin
Versatile, powerful, coachable, and has hands as soft as a duckling's tummy. Welcome to the Steelers nation Mr. Develin!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PpjxpO0Zk0
* per Tom Brady
I have no fucking idea, so I will go with someone I read about in a random ESPN article (which vouches for its lack of quality).
Dontrelle Inman, WR
He's even got a YouTube!
http://youtu.be/7ZOzdNukLfg
PMing Scoops & Phragle
Dontrelle Inman, WR
He's even got a YouTube!
http://youtu.be/7ZOzdNukLfg
PMing Scoops & Phragle
Aaron Lynch is a guy I’ve been keeping tabs on for a while, but I wasn’t sure he had what it takes to be a Tactical Turtleneck until I saw him this preseason. He did pretty well against Denver, showed some of what Notre Dame fans fell in love with in 2011, but he cemented himself as a Turtleneck vs San Diego. He came in and immediately starting ragdolling DJ Fluker -- not an easy thing to do. He seemed to get better every play and finished the game with a sack, QB strip, QB hit, TFL, 3 pass knockdowns, and a 5.3 PFF rating.
SF is using him on the left side so far, but at 6'5" 275 he probably fits better on the right.
https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2014/08/24/refo-chargers-49ers-preseason-week-3/
PMing Wibi
JerBear said:
It's OK. SuperNomario will grade him harshly after the season.
(and while yes, he does need a punter, he's also the only "special case" new owner saddled with a shit team and in need of much help. So...let's publish a list of who needs to draft what to get in compliance and let wibi draft his punter in the second round - reasonable everyone?)
The following teams need punters:
Wibi
CaptainLaddie
OFT
soxfan121
The following teams need kickers:
SPDougie
The following teams have some holes in other places that could be explained away but they may want to look at it:
OFT
soxfan121
dylan marsh
Wibi
CaptainLaddie
OFT
soxfan121
The following teams need kickers:
SPDougie
The following teams have some holes in other places that could be explained away but they may want to look at it:
OFT
soxfan121
dylan marsh
wibi said:
No it isn't. It wouldn't make sense for your team and your situation but for guys who refused to take a punter or kicker their squads aren't complete going into training camp. It wouldn't make sense not to have a kicker then. But since this isn't real... w/e we let it slide to a certain degree but if you spent a 38th round pick on another intriguing DT prospect instead of your punter you will need to spend your next highest pick on a punter now that you have more. It evens out the quality of non kicking positions. It also tries to tie this a bit to reality as no team in their right mind is not going to have at least a kicking prospect to start the pre-season with, right? In other words, Wibi, it's all good that you need to upgrade your team but at some point you need to bite the bullet. And for fairness purposes the rest of us picked up a P/K last year or during this draft.
I understand where you are coming from and to some extent I am sympathetic with your argument but the rest of those teams knew what they were doing.
DaughtersofDougMirabelli said:
This seems like really useful information for teams/owners to have....YESTERDAY.
So, like I said up thread, now that the Competition Committee has emerged from closed session and laid down the rules, they should be followed from here out. wibi picked, let's move on, he'll comply with the rules in the second round.
And FTR, there is no fucking way I'm picking a punter ahead of a LB. So any objections to that should be folded until its all corners and then jammed where the sun don't shine.
No one has been a stronger proponent of the establishment of the Competition Committee than you ... and now you're bitching about it?soxfan121 said:
You need both to fill out a full team, as far as I can tell.soxfan121 said:
Super Nomario said:
Nobody has been a stronger proponent of CAT HERDERS than I.
I proposed a competition committee but it was never voted on and people volunteered to herd cats. Not make rules. Not enforce rules they didn't clearly state in the first post or in the PM that was sent.
If we wanted a competition committee, we could have had one (and still can, in the future). But I don't know why I'm the only one consistently asking about voting. Seems like MMS put up polls and PM'ed people and anyone volunteering to do that job should get on it and not be laying down rules that weren't voted on.
My memory is pretty hazy given a lot of reasons but I thought we decided that if you didn't take a complete team because you got cute with not taking a kicker you HAD to take one with your first pick unless you were Wibi. Imo not filling out your team before pre-season is kind of cheap and doesn't really comply with what we're supposed to do. I'm not trying to antagonize you and I'm willing to insult my own QB situation here so you don't have to when you respond but I do think you might be in the wrong here, 121. Then again, like I said, my memory is hazy so correct me if I am wrong.
SMU_Sox said:
Link to the poll? Link to the posts showing a majority of the league decided? Link to the poll allowing wibi to be different?
SMU, I think that bickering over this is a monumental waste of time. And I'll save you some time on the questions above...there isn't a link. Because it didn't happen. It was discussed and the usual contributors contributed (and Super Nomario vowed to mark down anyone who didn't have a punter) but...democracy is hard.
I have a guy with NFL punting experience on my roster. But to make everyone happy, I will take an official punter before the end of this draft and will field a complete team.
And that's a reasonable stance. Wait till OFT gets here. He will be issuing the unreasonable response.*
*EDIT: He took TEBOW as his punter last season. And I'm sure SN marked him down because of it.
Holy hell enough already. If you want to do something different or think you can do a better job, step up and do it. Otherwise, stop the bitching.
Just field a full f'ing team. It's not that hard. We never had a "vote" on this issue because we talked about it before we ever had a committee. It was talked about in the draft thread when it was pretty clear anyone who didn't field a full team at the end of that draft had an advantage vs. those teams who used their last picks to fill out their squad. As a result, the idea to make those teams field a full team by being forced to use their 1st supplemental draft pick to do so was thrown out there. An idea that no one had a problem with at the time.
It was clear at the time that teams had an advantage by waiting, and you're continuing to exploit that advantage by waiting another round. Do I care? No, not really. It's not like these two rounds are make or break here. But let's be honest here, you are being a stubborn ass if you take a 6th LB when you haven't had a K or P all preseason just because someone didn't create a thread and put up a poll to something we all seemed to agree on a few months ago.
Just field a full f'ing team. It's not that hard. We never had a "vote" on this issue because we talked about it before we ever had a committee. It was talked about in the draft thread when it was pretty clear anyone who didn't field a full team at the end of that draft had an advantage vs. those teams who used their last picks to fill out their squad. As a result, the idea to make those teams field a full team by being forced to use their 1st supplemental draft pick to do so was thrown out there. An idea that no one had a problem with at the time.
It was clear at the time that teams had an advantage by waiting, and you're continuing to exploit that advantage by waiting another round. Do I care? No, not really. It's not like these two rounds are make or break here. But let's be honest here, you are being a stubborn ass if you take a 6th LB when you haven't had a K or P all preseason just because someone didn't create a thread and put up a poll to something we all seemed to agree on a few months ago.
Well right, I couldn't find it man - which lead me to believe my memory was hazy.
Here's the way I see it as fair. K/P is/are not a sexy position(s). But look, we all know that ST are important and you need a guy who can actually play the positions full-time. Notice I said 'a' guy as in singular - in theory you might be able to find someone who does both, right? I don't think saying you need at least one guy but probably 2 to do both is controversial. You know to have a complete team you need both. And the thing is the rest of us took the hit and didn't take that extra LB or RB so we could field a functional team. We might have taken these guys in the 24th or 25th round last year and during rounds 7-9 this year or earlier. It's not like the quality of the product is that much better now vs round 37 but there is still a price we pay to take a K/P before a real player (no offense to kickers out there). I was ok with guys filling out their kicker during this first round of the draft because I feel like you had a training camp battle for the position and you have to pay a premium in round 1 of this draft because you didn't pay your premium before. And frankly this is hardly much of a premium. So, again, I think it would be fair to bite the bullet here.
As for the overall wtf is going on... I'm sorry. You have valid points there. I wish my schedule cleared up two months ago and not next week.
Here's the way I see it as fair. K/P is/are not a sexy position(s). But look, we all know that ST are important and you need a guy who can actually play the positions full-time. Notice I said 'a' guy as in singular - in theory you might be able to find someone who does both, right? I don't think saying you need at least one guy but probably 2 to do both is controversial. You know to have a complete team you need both. And the thing is the rest of us took the hit and didn't take that extra LB or RB so we could field a functional team. We might have taken these guys in the 24th or 25th round last year and during rounds 7-9 this year or earlier. It's not like the quality of the product is that much better now vs round 37 but there is still a price we pay to take a K/P before a real player (no offense to kickers out there). I was ok with guys filling out their kicker during this first round of the draft because I feel like you had a training camp battle for the position and you have to pay a premium in round 1 of this draft because you didn't pay your premium before. And frankly this is hardly much of a premium. So, again, I think it would be fair to bite the bullet here.
As for the overall wtf is going on... I'm sorry. You have valid points there. I wish my schedule cleared up two months ago and not next week.
ElcaballitoMVP said:
1. We knew we needed a "committee" before the end of the playoffs last season. Proposals were made on how to handle that transition. Nothing happened. Eventually, a few people volunteered to send PMs so we would have a representative sample for league votes. No votes were held, either to ratify the volunteers as a "committee", nor to grant them powers, nor to change league rules, nor to alter league processes.
This is kind of a problem. And if you think it is "bitching" to point out that things are being decided by a nebulous, unnamed group...well, sorry.
2. Per PFF, there were 28 punters with a positive score in 2013 and 7 with a negative score (removing obvious exceptions like Mike Nugent). 26 of those kicked in the majority of their team's contests. (And, FWIW, #29 is on my goddamned roster, but I digress).
The notion that not picking a goddamned PUNTER is a competitive advantage is ludacrisp. I'm not going to bother checking but at least 6 teams last season had no punter (including OFT who made no effort to draft one) because their guy was cut in preseason.
But OK, everyone has to have a punter is a rule I can support.
The idea that the punter HAS to be the first pick is just bullshit. Teams must have full rosters. Legislating when teams take players would, IMO, require an additional rule.
3. Establishing rules needs to be done with a league-wide vote, with each team getting one vote. Majority rules. That this isn't done by the proponents of these rules is not my problem. Everyone can propose a rule and everyone can send PMs prompting owners to vote on these rules. If someone wanted to make a rule that people without punters HAVE TO take a punter first, they had three freaking months to do it.
4. I have two healthy linebackers on my roster; Audie Cole and Ahmad Brooks. One is on IR for the season (and I don't know if I can replace him yet - vote still pending) and the other retired. So, to field a full team, I will need a minimum of one linebacker. It wouldn't be my "6th", as you could discern from looking at the tracker. IMO, a team not fielding enough LB is a bigger competition problem than not fielding a punter (and again, I have a guy on my roster who punted in the NFL last season).
5. "We" did not "seem to" agree to anything months ago - please find and cite the posts that create a 16 owner majority vote.
As someone who ostensibly volunteered to put up polls and send PMs...I find this "oh we seemed to agree so who needs a poll?" attitude really inappropriate. Either do the job you volunteered for OR call out people for bitching about the process (that wasn't done). Don't give us the "we seemed to agree" when you can't reasonably conclude that a majority of owners would have voted for your idea. There's a really easy way to ensure everyone has a chance to "seem to agree" and that's called a public poll.
SMU_Sox said:
SMU, I almost agree with you. But I fail to see the harm to other teams by saying a "full team must be complete by the end of the draft" as opposed to "you must pick a punter first, even if you only have two LB due to real-life circumstance".
I've repeatedly said I will take a punter. I will not take one before I take a LB. I support wibi taking who he selected and pushing his needed punter to round two.
And I fully support SN marking me and other non-compliance roster people down a point or two, if that's his decision.
Rules require more than a vocal minority. Votes must be taken to create rules. No vote was taken here, so no rule (IMO). Anyone can propose a rule at any time, simply by posting a poll and sending some PMs. This all seems reasonable to me...why is it not?
Super Nomario said:
Eck'sSneakyCheese said:
DaughtersofDougMirabelli said:
Super Nomario said:
ElcaballitoMVP said:
DaughtersofDougMirabelli said:
Morgan's Magic Snowplow said:
JerBear said:
ElcaballitoMVP said:
FYI, here's the start of the posts related to the fielding a full team.
121 is right in that there was no formal rule proposed with a poll and what not but it was also during a point where we were trying to get a new commish and discuss the league transition. It felt like the right thing to do was to make our rosters legal. By action alone most of us did that. Sometimes doing the right thing isn't codified. Here, 121, it's definitely not formally codified but you have the majority of the league in a sense voting with their actions to make their clubs legal before this supplemental round. If we're going by game theory I'm all about picking a K/P/PoS in the last round of this thing. It's also completely plausable to me what Laddie said about forgetting. Shit happens. Still think the right thing to do is to grumble loudly about it but take the guy this round. If you end up taking a LB that's your call. It's pretty obvious you got dinged up with age and injury more than others - so you're in a hard spot, but... it's somewhat self inflicted (and of course bad luck too). I'm curious to see what you're going to do here. You have a team that contended for the SB last year - and you have TB as your QB. As much as it will sting this round it's blatantly obvious that your squad has the talent to overcome using the 39th round vs the 41st round to nab someone. As for LB... are you interested in pursuing a trade there?
SMU_Sox said:
Are they allowed? I've got some OL depth I'd love to cash in for some LB depth.
A majority of the league picks before I do...I'll abide by the stated wishes of a majority of teams. There is a loud minority for this idea, peer JerBear's posts but nothing close to quorum.
And thanks to JerBear for pulling that stuff up.