Seriously. I can see them be nervous about Oklahoma coming in the league but Texas? How many seasons does Sarkisian get before he’s run out of town?I’m glad this is giving everyone an opportunity to see how pathetic aggy is. Dear lord.
https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/texas-oklahoma-expected-to-declare-intent-to-leave-big-12-in-24-48-hours-with-sec-as-landing-spot/Texas and Oklahoma are expected to declare their intention to leave the Big 12 in as soon as "24-48 hours," a prominent Big 12 source told CBS Sports on Friday. The Longhorns and Sooners are set to inform the Big 12 on Monday that they will not be renewing their grant of rights agreement with the conference, Horns247's Chip Brown reports.
Kansas has been so bad for so long at Football. 2007 was a long time ago.Reportedly, Kansas has a call set up with the Big Ten.
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What are piggy's general thoughts? We've all seen aggy go ballistic which is par the course, I'd think you guys would be happy to get Texas back into the schedule for recruiting purposes permanently.Having grown up during the SWC days I'm looking forward to annual games against the Cow Patties again and to playing the Frying Pans regularly. If this comes to pass of course.
As a transplant living in GA for the past 30 years I'm happy about it. I like kicking the cow patties' ass in all sports. I have no idea what people there think. I'll see what I can find out. Oklahoma I don't really care about.What are piggy's general thoughts? We've all seen aggy go ballistic which is par the course, I'd think you guys would be happy to get Texas back into the schedule for recruiting purposes permanently.
I grew up on pro sports. College sports is such a weird, hilarious alternate dimension. I can't recommend getting into it strongly enough.You college football guys are really weird with your nicknames.
I think it's really centered on the old Southwest Conference and schools that all were so close (and hated the hell out of one another).You college football guys are really weird with your nicknames.
The Kansas vs Rutgers football matchup … wowzer.Reportedly, Kansas has a call set up with the Big Ten.
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I don’t think KSU has the academic prowess for the Big 10. Iowa State is an AAU school which makes more sense imo.So KU and KSU to Big Ten? Where does OK state end up? You’d have to figure some will end up in the PAC-12 right?
I have vague recollection of Kansas having a state law that says KU and KSU have to be in the same conference, but I could be misremembering.I don’t think KSU has the academic prowess for the Big 10. Iowa State is an AAU school which makes more sense imo.
15-14.As a transplant living in GA for the past 30 years I'm happy about it. I like kicking the cow patties' ass in all sports. I have no idea what people there think. I'll see what I can find out. Oklahoma I don't really care about.
Can you really see them taking schools from Texas or Oklahoma or Iowa? The ACC makes more sense.You’d have to figure some will end up in the PAC-12 right?
Th Big 10 should raid the PAC 10 and take USC, UCLA, Stanford, Oregon, and Washington and have one hell of western conference.Can you really see them taking schools from Texas or Oklahoma or Iowa? The ACC makes more sense.
Yea it's never been a particularly close rivalry, and most of the time the Hogs can't handle prosperity and find a way to lose if leading. Occasionally the Hogs surprise everyone and beat a ranked Texas team, but that's just who the Hogs are against most everyone anyway. Gotta be a realist, adding UT and OU is awesome but the Hogs will mostly lose to them. I was fortunate enough the only game I've attended in Austin was back in 2003, when UT was ranked #5 and the Hogs went in there and spanked that ass 38-28 behind Matt Jones and Cedric Cobbs. So much fun and I got SO sunburnt. It was a brutally hot Texas day and they ran out of water in like 4 minutes, zero shade, etc.I had actually forgotten Texas leads piggy 56-22 in the football head-to-head. It’s a shame about that 2014 Texas Bowl asskicking. Fucking Charlie Strong.
I’m excited for the basketball games. Even though I have to hate Arkansas, I’ve always been fond of the running razorbacks.Yea it's never been a particularly close rivalry, and most of the time the Hogs can't handle prosperity and find a way to lose if leading. Occasionally the Hogs surprise everyone and beat a ranked Texas team, but that's just who the Hogs are against most everyone anyway. Gotta be a realist, adding UT and OU is awesome but the Hogs will mostly lose to them. I was fortunate enough the only game I've attended in Austin was back in 2003, when UT was ranked #5 and the Hogs went in there and spanked that ass 38-28 behind Matt Jones and Cedric Cobbs. So much fun and I got SO sunburnt. It was a brutally hot Texas day and they ran out of water in like 4 minutes, zero shade, etc.
https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2016/10/19/13329020/big-12-expansion-conference-realignment-iowa-stateAt 10, we give ourselves a lot more flexibility down the road versus adding maybe members that would only clutter up the process. People say, 'In eight years, Texas and Oklahoma are going to bolt.' Well, if we added teams and forced it on them, I guarantee they'd bolt. So that's a part of this process that people aren't thinking about.
The Big 12 exists because we have Texas and Oklahoma in the room. If we take Texas and Oklahoma out of the room, we're the Mountain West Conference, and we're getting $3 million [in annual TV revenue, a drastic decrease]. We've got two star players, whether people want to like that or not: Texas and Oklahoma.
Fascinating. I mean, why should SEC schools be governed by the NCAA at all? Why can't they just form their own collegiate league with their own rules? Pay players? Sure. No (or much lower) GPA requirements? Why not? Partnership deals with pro leagues? Absolutely. What could the NCAA possibly do about it?Emmett spoke recently about the decentralization of the NCAA in an attempt to protect it. What if a Super Conference such as the SEC began growing their conference to where they no longer needed the NCAA while going out on their own complete with player comp and recruiting more schools? They already have their own network and surely the major networks would be interested. Thoughts?
Arkansas doesn’t have field hockeyFascinating. I mean, why should SEC schools be governed by the NCAA at all? Why can't they just form their own collegiate league with their own rules? Pay players? Sure. No (or much lower) GPA requirements? Why not? Partnership deals with pro leagues? Absolutely. What could the NCAA possibly do about it?
Other schools from other NCAA conferences might not want to play them in anything (so no field hockey between Arkansas and Ohio State; no T&F between LSU and Stanford), but would the SEC really care? Maybe they wouldn't want to go THIS far, but.....if they add enough members....maybe they would.
Well you get the point, I hope.Arkansas doesn’t have field hockey
Most SEC schools I don’t think have it
Not really noWell you get the point, I hope.
Yeah looks like you missed the point. Which was that if the SEC formed this non-NCAA superconference, they might not end up playing schools NOT in the SEC super conference in these sports, so you wouldn't see matchups like LSU vs. Stanford in track and field, or (insert sport here). I threw in field hockey off the top of my head but it could have been any sport that would work.Not really no
If I want to watch basketball or field hockey or lacrosse, I’ll watch acc
If I want to watch softball or water polo, I’ll watch pac12
If I want to watch to watch football, I’ll watch sec
Why does anyone care about that? Arkansas is better than Stanford anyway in t&fYeah looks like you missed the point. Which was that if the SEC formed this non-NCAA superconference, they might not end up playing schools NOT in the SEC super conference in these sports, so you wouldn't see matchups like LSU vs. Stanford in track and field, or (insert sport here). I threw in field hockey off the top of my head but it could have been any sport that would work.
The schools might care about it. It might be a real bummer if NC State can't play Vanderbilt in baseball. It might be a real bummer if Kentucky can't play North Carolina in basketball. It might be a real bummer if LSU can't compete against Oregon in T&F.Why does anyone care about that? Arkansas is better than Stanford anyway in t&f
if people watch sec sports, adding Texas helps (or not hurts) in every sport.
Rest of the NCAA needs SEC more then SEC needs the rest of NCAAThe schools might care about it. It might be a real bummer if NC State can't play Vanderbilt in baseball. It might be a real bummer if Kentucky can't play North Carolina in basketball. It might be a real bummer if LSU can't compete against Oregon in T&F.
But whatever - I don't think you're really getting my point.
I wasn't going to include them but figured why not.I think it’s funny you include Vandy. They don’t really care about football, they know they don’t have a shot, they just use SEC inclusion to recruit the elite brains, to compete against the Ivies, Emorys, Rices etc.
That's true as far as it goes, but now compare the results to the schools that didn't move. Cincinnati would trade places with Louisville if they could, even if that means sacrificing their AAC championships.Obviously this is all about money, power, and recruiting, but has expansion really benefitted most of the teams that have moved?
So, it's what? NFL-lite with younger players?Fascinating. I mean, why should SEC schools be governed by the NCAA at all? Why can't they just form their own collegiate league with their own rules? Pay players? Sure. No (or much lower) GPA requirements? Why not? Partnership deals with pro leagues? Absolutely. What could the NCAA possibly do about it?
I agree with you a 100% about Louisville, they've done a great job of elevating their program from C-USA in the 90's to where they are now. I was including them along with all of the others. College sports used to be so much about geography and the schools who were similar to you. Smaller conferences gave more teams a chance, now as the conferences get bigger the haves are really starting to distance themselves even further from the majority of schools. I worry that over time that is not good for the college football product as a whole.That's true as far as it goes, but now compare the results to the schools that didn't move. Cincinnati would trade places with Louisville if they could, even if that means sacrificing their AAC championships.
The Texas and OUs get to decide between the status quo or jumping; most everyone else doesn't have that luxury. It's either make moves if/when you can or stand still as the ground crumble beneath you.
I definitely think Nebraska and Miami are closer comps. I think Nebraska's fate is something that OU should be mindful of and is why I'm sure they're happy to stay tethered to Texas. I'm not sure Miami would have fared any better in the Big East over the past 15 years, but I'd be interested to hear if anyone else feels otherwise.
I’m an unabashed Texas fan and agree with this post 100%. Like said unthread, I miss the old SWC even though it’s entirely untenable in today’s corporate collegiate landscape.I agree with you a 100% about Louisville, they've done a great job of elevating their program from C-USA in the 90's to where they are now. I was including them along with all of the others. College sports used to be so much about geography and the schools who were similar to you. Smaller conferences gave more teams a chance, now as the conferences get bigger the haves are really starting to distance themselves even further from the majority of schools. I worry that over time that is not good for the college football product as a whole.
I think if the B12 dissolves it will change the scheduling model. If there are 16 team leagues, I can see each league playing 9-10 league games instead of 8. You would play all teams in your division and 2-3 crossover games. More league games means keeping more money in-house and more attractive games for fans and CFP chances. You may only see teams playing 1-2 nonleague games. The days of playing directional state MAC or CUSA schools or FCS teams may be over. Those schools that count on the money from guarantee games are going to feel the pain big time if this happens.I’m curious about how far out this affects schedules. We’ve got games scheduled out as far as 2033, and I’m assuming those deals are signed. We’ve got Bama in ‘22 and ‘23, Michigan in ‘24 and ‘27, Bucky in ‘25 and ‘26, Georgia in ‘28 and ‘29, and Florida in ‘30 and ‘31. Some of those, clearly, become conference games, meaning the SEC teams on that list all have to add new non-conference games (assuming the current scheduling conventions are preserved). And how will it affect the other eight teams left in the rump Big 12 (assuming the conference survives, which is not at all clear). I’m sure they’ve worked a lot of this out already, but I’m really curious to see how it works out.
The same thing that keeps fans rooting for the vast majority of European football clubs - a team can have goals and feel successful without being a contender for a national title. It’s actually one of the things I like most about college sports - if you’re a fan of Duke in basketball or Bama in football sure anything less than a title feels like a failure but if you’re a fan of Ball State or whatever winning the MAC and beating Purdue or something might be a historically great season.Lets face it most power 5 schools already don't really have a shot at national title, what is going to keep them coming back if the gap continues to widen?