Red Sox DFA Jeter Downs to make room on 40 man for Yoshida

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Given that they have expressed high confidence in Brasier & Ort, other fungible assets currently on the 40: Darwinzon, Seabold
 

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I had higher hopes for Downs at the time of the trade, and it's still not clear to me what else they were supposed to do in that situation, but, as Bloom will probably say when he gets fired, you get judged by your results and here the results speak for themselves.
 

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All you can do is laugh. Seabold seems like the definition of AAAA. And not to mention, we don't have a SS right now. Not that Downs was going to be the guy, but depth at AAA at a week position would seem to be a good thing.

He was horrendous in the PR winter league for what it's worth. Like 450 ops. Whatever. You were never going to win a trade involving Betts, but you didn't have to lose like this.
 

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But Financial Flexibility will be coming up to The Show any day now!

Clearly a huge scouting mistake by the Sox. It's really unexcusable that the return for their best player since Yaz is so low.
 

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But Financial Flexibility will be coming up to The Show any day now!

Clearly a huge scouting mistake by the Sox. It's really unexcusable that the return for their best player since Yaz is so low.
The biggest piece of the return was LA taking David Price.
 

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To be somewhat fair, he did lose a year of development to the pandemic; in the alternate universe where none of that happens, he very well might be the starting 2B by now.

On the other hand, it was and remains kind of a baffling decision to put him in AAA in 2021 after the lost season. He never really got back on track.
 

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I wish I could re-vote in the front office confidence poll. Just an embarrassing trade.
 

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Wasn't the deal going to be Brudsar Graterol but the Sox balked because of some arm concerns? Which haven't happened. Or was Wong the guy added in place of Graterol?
 

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But Financial Flexibility will be coming up to The Show any day now!

Clearly a huge scouting mistake by the Sox. It's really unexcusable that the return for their best player since Yaz is so low.
Isn't it a pretty big miss by all scouting "experts" though too? At start of 2020 he was rated the top Red Sox prospect, and a top 50 prospect in baseball per MLB. Not trying to absolve the Sox of missing, but contextually they weren't the only ones is my main point. The rice angle is interesting to me...would we be in a better position now if we are still on the hook for Price but have Gavin Lux instead? Probably.
 

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You can't judge the Betts trade unless you know what other teams were offering -- if anything -- to take David Price off the books. There may have been none at all, and so the trade may have been the best that Bloom could have done.
 

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Seriously.

On the one hand, it's a sunk cost and if he's got no future here then move on and be done with him. You don't want an FO making decisions based on what might look better.

On the other....it's just baffling. Baffling that they missed so badly on key pieces in return for the trade, and baffling that they've got useless corpses like Brasier and Ort on the 40 man but no room for a (struggling) Downs.

Oy such a mess.
 

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The Dodgers took 3 years of half of Price’s contract form the Sox, right? Like $50M? Was that really a huge deal, considering that $16M a year got them like Richards and Ottavino one year, Bradley another.., etc?
 

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You can't judge the Betts trade unless you know what other teams were offering -- if anything -- to take David Price off the books. There may have been none at all, and so the trade may have been the best that Bloom could have done.
Why was taking Price off of the books a requirement? To reset the tax, something that we haven't even materially benefitted from? If we want to judge that trade, we need to look at what they could have gotten without stapling Price's albatross contract to it. That is the information I wish we had.
 

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You can't judge the Betts trade unless you know what other teams were offering -- if anything -- to take David Price off the books. There may have been none at all, and so the trade may have been the best that Bloom could have done.
If that's true, you can't judge any trades because we are not privy to all the offers that trading partners might have received before consummating a deal.
 

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Downs was a bust on the field, and seemed to have an attitude problem too. Good on Chaim for having the nerve to make what he felt was the right move, knowing it would lead to relitigating the Mookie trade at a moment when he’s under fire for other stuff.

Chaim is going to have to place some big bets with FSG’s money before the off-season is over. How those bets turn out will go a long way toward determining how his tenure here is judged. I have mixed feelings about whether Chaim is the best person to place those bets, but I’m glad to see him acting decisively.
 

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If that's true, you can't judge any trades because we are not privy to all the offers that trading partners might have received before consummating a deal.
That’s not true. It’s not a big leap to conclude that Chaim was operating under financial constraints that basically required him to unload the Price contract. It’s also not a big leap to conclude that few teams besides the Dodgers were interested in taking on any material portion of that contract.

It’s absolutely blame-worthy that we found ourselves in that position, but that blame belongs to some combination of Henry and Dombrowski. Chaim inherited the situation.
 

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I was 100% on board with the Mookie / Price trade because we needed to get under the luxury tax, ostensibly to sign other key pieces of the core long term.

The Mookie trade made total sense. The way we've allocated (or not allocated) money after getting under the threshold is the colossal screw up, at least in my opinion.
 

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Shaungnessy gonna live high on the hog at Del Boca Vista after he writes "The Curse of the Mookino."

Total clown show.
 

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This is exactly what I fear Chaim has done. Getting borderline major league players and calling them assets. At least he had the willingness to realize that Jeter Downs was not part of the Red Sox future.
 

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Wasn't the deal going to be Brudsar Graterol but the Sox balked because of some arm concerns? Which haven't happened. Or was Wong the guy added in place of Graterol?
IIRC, the original deal would have brought Graterol and Verdugo to the Red Sox, until medical reports made it clear that Graterol would not survive for long as a starter, and was destined for the bullpen. Bloom insisted on a replacement, which turned out to be Downs, and Wong was added later to sweeten the prospect haul.

Graterol has turned out to be a pretty good reliever in a league where starters are no longer cherished, while Downs was a bust.

Bloom's talent evaluation has been pretty awful. Whatever magic he had while working in Tampa Bay seems to have deserted him.
 

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Wait, do they still have that Ort stiff?

and this adds pressure on Dugo and Wong which isn’t great

I think you have to keep Wong now and not sign/ trade for a catcher.
 

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The Downs DFA was the right move. He continued to regress. I think the poor showing in Puerto
Rico this winter was the final straw,
 

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And they’ve used those savings on what exactly?
Adding pieces to get 2 games from the World Series in 2021?

No doubt that Downs was a fail. Prospects fail all the time, in every sport. It's not the end of the world. They DFAd him and moved on. There is much more luck to draft/prospecting/talent evaluation than people realize. Did Bill Belichick suck for years and then all of a sudden remember how to do it this past year? The model franchise in sports, the Golden State Warriors whiffed on the 2nd pick in 2020 and maybe the 7th pick last year.
 

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That’s not true. It’s not a big leap to conclude that Chaim was operating under financial constraints that basically required him to unload the Price contract.
What is your understanding about the constraint? The luxury tax, or a desire to rid of a contract we *could* have kept?

It’s absolutely blame-worthy that we found ourselves in that position, but that blame belongs to some combination of Henry and Dombrowski. Chaim inherited the situation.
If the luxury tax is the answer to question 1, then how come they refused to have the most modest of pain this August to get under it? That is Chaim's fault.
 

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Isn't it a pretty big miss by all scouting "experts" though too? At start of 2020 he was rated the top Red Sox prospect, and a top 50 prospect in baseball per MLB. Not trying to absolve the Sox of missing, but contextually they weren't the only ones is my main point. The rice angle is interesting to me...would we be in a better position now if we are still on the hook for Price but have Gavin Lux instead? Probably.
The Dodgers never in a million years were going to trade Lux for 1 year of Mookie
 

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Wait, what? You want them to base their roster move on making a trade look good?
Based on Verdugo being an emotional guy (which would usually be a plus and something I love but this would hurt here) and the specifics of the Boston media and fan market and Bloom’s failure to evaluate talent and the fact that they can’t contend in 2023 anyway
 

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The Dodgers never in a million years were going to trade Lux for 1 year of Mookie
Sorry wasnt implying that was ever actually on the table. I quickly looked up the 2019 dodgers prospect list and saw Lux was a few spots higher than downs...so it was purely a hypothetical built on the premise that our prospect return would've been better if not for Price and his salary (as had been stated upthread).
 

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You can't judge the Betts trade unless you know what other teams were offering -- if anything -- to take David Price off the books. There may have been none at all, and so the trade may have been the best that Bloom could have done.
The Padres supposed offer was reported. They could have had Naylor or Margot, Quantrill or Lucchesi, and the Sox would have had to take on more of Wil Myers’ contract than they wanted to.

No Price relief.

It would be nice to have Naylor and Quantrill.

But they saved more money on the trade they consummated.

https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2873372-mookie-betts-trade-rumors-padres-possible-offer-for-red-sox-star-revealed.amp.html
 

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IIRC, the original deal would have brought Graterol and Verdugo to the Red Sox, until medical reports made it clear that Graterol would not survive for long as a starter, and was destined for the bullpen. Bloom insisted on a replacement, which turned out to be Downs, and Wong was added later to sweeten the prospect haul.

Graterol has turned out to be a pretty good reliever in a league where starters are no longer cherished, while Downs was a bust.

Bloom's talent evaluation has been pretty awful. Whatever magic he had while working in Tampa Bay seems to have deserted him.
Exactly this.

It's not (for me) that he traded Betts, it's that he traded Betts AND didn't identify the right prospects to come back. It's not that he sunk $16m to go from Hunter Renfroe to Jackie Bradley Jr to buy two prospects, it's the two prospects he decided to buy for that. It's not that he doesn't extend players on the roster - its that when he does it's Matt Barnes. It's that he thinks Eric Hosmer for a $6m annual luxury tax hit for the next 3 years is a wise plan.

The misses just seem to add up a lot more than the hits.
 

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Can’t they still get Downs back on a non 40 man deal if no one trades for him or claims him? Not sure this chapter is done yet.