The biggest piece of the return was LA taking David Price.But Financial Flexibility will be coming up to The Show any day now!
Clearly a huge scouting mistake by the Sox. It's really unexcusable that the return for their best player since Yaz is so low.
With the Sox looking to add 5-6 more new players, all these guys should be in jeopardyGiven that they have expressed high confidence in Brasier & Ort, other fungible assets currently on the 40: Darwinzon, Seabold
That's the Financial Flexibility piece.The biggest piece of the return was LA taking David Price.
Yup. If LA hadn't taken on Price, we wouldn't have been able to retain guys like Bogaerts and Devers.That's the Financial Flexibility piece.
Exactly!Yup. If LA hadn't taken on Price, we wouldn't have been able to retain guys like Bogaerts and Devers.
I think it's a reference to some of the comments that Cora made at season's end about Verdugo needing to take a step forward. I don't think everyone viewed those comments as being "down," though."... the org is down on Verdugo"?
Isn't it a pretty big miss by all scouting "experts" though too? At start of 2020 he was rated the top Red Sox prospect, and a top 50 prospect in baseball per MLB. Not trying to absolve the Sox of missing, but contextually they weren't the only ones is my main point. The rice angle is interesting to me...would we be in a better position now if we are still on the hook for Price but have Gavin Lux instead? Probably.But Financial Flexibility will be coming up to The Show any day now!
Clearly a huge scouting mistake by the Sox. It's really unexcusable that the return for their best player since Yaz is so low.
Last year graterol missed almost two months of time by my count with various ailments including arm trouble, but he's avoided the big injuries.Wasn't the deal going to be Brudsar Graterol but the Sox balked because of some arm concerns? Which haven't happened. Or was Wong the guy added in place of Graterol?
Why was taking Price off of the books a requirement? To reset the tax, something that we haven't even materially benefitted from? If we want to judge that trade, we need to look at what they could have gotten without stapling Price's albatross contract to it. That is the information I wish we had.You can't judge the Betts trade unless you know what other teams were offering -- if anything -- to take David Price off the books. There may have been none at all, and so the trade may have been the best that Bloom could have done.
If that's true, you can't judge any trades because we are not privy to all the offers that trading partners might have received before consummating a deal.You can't judge the Betts trade unless you know what other teams were offering -- if anything -- to take David Price off the books. There may have been none at all, and so the trade may have been the best that Bloom could have done.
You cant. We are essentially operating in the dark in assessing the validity of tradesIf that's true, you can't judge any trades because we are not privy to all the offers that trading partners might have received before consummating a deal.
That’s not true. It’s not a big leap to conclude that Chaim was operating under financial constraints that basically required him to unload the Price contract. It’s also not a big leap to conclude that few teams besides the Dodgers were interested in taking on any material portion of that contract.If that's true, you can't judge any trades because we are not privy to all the offers that trading partners might have received before consummating a deal.
And they’ve used those savings on what exactly?The biggest piece of the return was LA taking David Price.
IIRC, the original deal would have brought Graterol and Verdugo to the Red Sox, until medical reports made it clear that Graterol would not survive for long as a starter, and was destined for the bullpen. Bloom insisted on a replacement, which turned out to be Downs, and Wong was added later to sweeten the prospect haul.Wasn't the deal going to be Brudsar Graterol but the Sox balked because of some arm concerns? Which haven't happened. Or was Wong the guy added in place of Graterol?
Adding pieces to get 2 games from the World Series in 2021?And they’ve used those savings on what exactly?
What is your understanding about the constraint? The luxury tax, or a desire to rid of a contract we *could* have kept?That’s not true. It’s not a big leap to conclude that Chaim was operating under financial constraints that basically required him to unload the Price contract.
If the luxury tax is the answer to question 1, then how come they refused to have the most modest of pain this August to get under it? That is Chaim's fault.It’s absolutely blame-worthy that we found ourselves in that position, but that blame belongs to some combination of Henry and Dombrowski. Chaim inherited the situation.
Wait, what? You want them to base their roster move on making a trade look good?I think you have to keep Wong now and not sign/ trade for a catcher.
The Dodgers never in a million years were going to trade Lux for 1 year of MookieIsn't it a pretty big miss by all scouting "experts" though too? At start of 2020 he was rated the top Red Sox prospect, and a top 50 prospect in baseball per MLB. Not trying to absolve the Sox of missing, but contextually they weren't the only ones is my main point. The rice angle is interesting to me...would we be in a better position now if we are still on the hook for Price but have Gavin Lux instead? Probably.
Based on Verdugo being an emotional guy (which would usually be a plus and something I love but this would hurt here) and the specifics of the Boston media and fan market and Bloom’s failure to evaluate talent and the fact that they can’t contend in 2023 anywayWait, what? You want them to base their roster move on making a trade look good?
Why? If he was as bad a return as reported both here and elsewhere are they worse for keeping him or cutting him lose?No link I'm on mobile but McAdams tweeted it.
Sure makes the Mookie trade look even worse!
Sorry wasnt implying that was ever actually on the table. I quickly looked up the 2019 dodgers prospect list and saw Lux was a few spots higher than downs...so it was purely a hypothetical built on the premise that our prospect return would've been better if not for Price and his salary (as had been stated upthread).The Dodgers never in a million years were going to trade Lux for 1 year of Mookie
that horse has been beat so much its disingrated into nothing
The Padres supposed offer was reported. They could have had Naylor or Margot, Quantrill or Lucchesi, and the Sox would have had to take on more of Wil Myers’ contract than they wanted to.You can't judge the Betts trade unless you know what other teams were offering -- if anything -- to take David Price off the books. There may have been none at all, and so the trade may have been the best that Bloom could have done.
Exactly this.IIRC, the original deal would have brought Graterol and Verdugo to the Red Sox, until medical reports made it clear that Graterol would not survive for long as a starter, and was destined for the bullpen. Bloom insisted on a replacement, which turned out to be Downs, and Wong was added later to sweeten the prospect haul.
Graterol has turned out to be a pretty good reliever in a league where starters are no longer cherished, while Downs was a bust.
Bloom's talent evaluation has been pretty awful. Whatever magic he had while working in Tampa Bay seems to have deserted him.