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Eddie Bressoud

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MLB Trade rumors reports that Darwinzon Hernandez is designated to make room for Turner. Be interesting to see if anyone has interest in Hernandez.
 

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With Hernandez gone, it feels like we're out of people you'd be completely happy to clear off the 40 man, and we still need spaces for Kluber and [undefined shortstop]. Do people think we'll see more straight cuts, or are we into trade territory now?
 

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With Hernandez gone, it feels like we're out of people you'd be completely happy to clear off the 40 man, and we still need spaces for Kluber and [undefined shortstop]. Do people think we'll see more straight cuts, or are we into trade territory now?
I would think the latter. Trade a guy or 2 who aren't very good now to a team for a guy who wont be very good in 3 years?
 

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Ort seems like an easy cut. After that, it gets harder; you’ve got guys like Taylor, Brasier, and Mills. Really think they need to do something with Dalbec, Duran, and Seabold / Winckowski to clear some space and add some more reliable depth.
 

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Mills is safe, they gave up a guy with some legitimate value for him.

Brasier is very likely to get traded as he needs to stay on the 26 man and there's no space for him. Past him, Ort, Seabold and Dalbec are the lowest value guys on the 40 IMO.
 

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Ort seems like an easy cut. After that, it gets harder; you’ve got guys like Taylor, Brasier, and Mills. Really think they need to do something with Dalbec, Duran, and Seabold / Winckowski to clear some space and add some more reliable depth.
Just out of curiosity, what does more reliable depth than those guys look like? Not saying they're irreplaceable or anything, but I think they all have value to the Sox to varying degrees. Seems as though most if not all of them are ticketed for Worcester to start the year, which in and of itself is a quality that would be harder to replace on the free agent market. And trading for it might require giving up more than the upgrade is worth.
 

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Dalbec and Duran I'd be happy to find a trade partner for yesterday, Seabold and Winckowski less so; I think they were both pressed into service last year before they were ready. Wouldn't mind them getting another another year in AAA to try to develop more. Maybe Seabold less so, but Winckowski is still only 24.
 

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Just out of curiosity, what does more reliable depth than those guys look like? Not saying they're irreplaceable or anything, but I think they all have value to the Sox to varying degrees. Seems as though most if not all of them are ticketed for Worcester to start the year, which in and of itself is a quality that would be harder to replace on the free agent market. And trading for it might require giving up more than the upgrade is worth.
Assuming you're only talking about Seabold and Winckowski, who are definitely pretty valuable still as starting depth, especially with the questionable health (let's not go there....) of Sale, Paxton, limited innings, etc.... of the expected rotation. They're what? 8 and 9 on the depth chart, and hope we never get to that point but they both could also be better relievers.
Brazier though????
 

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MLB Trade rumors reports that Darwinzon Hernandez is designated to make room for Turner. Be interesting to see if anyone has interest in Hernandez.
It's really going to suck if Darwinzon figures it all out on the same timeline Andrew Miller did, but I assume the Sox just haven't seen any sign of that.
 

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I think Chaim’s penchant for roster churn is also necessarily going to mean lots of different discussions that could lead to leaks/ rumors on the other end (it’s really amazing that they he Sox side is so caulked and leak proof). It seems like it would be inevitable if he’s “in on everyone.”

Casas, Turner, and Yoshida are going to get the he lion’s share of playing time at 1B/ LF/ DH. Does it really make sense to add someone who doesn’t have any defensive versatility to the bench? Assuming they add a legitimate SS, Arroyo can take those PAs, or you could even plug Wong in. If they want a bench bat, Dalbec is cheaper and better than Gurriel, and I just don’t see the point of using the bench that way…

The only way it makes sense is if Casas is going in a deal and the left side of the defensive spectrum is suddenly open, but as Southern BoSox points out he’d only go for a major talent. Tatis is the only player I can think of who’s even been rumored to be available who seems to fit the Sox’s needs. Maybe pitching, but it seems like they’re too risk averse for that…
 

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It's really going to suck if Darwinzon figures it all out on the same timeline Andrew Miller did, but I assume the Sox just haven't seen any sign of that.
A lot of Andrew Miller "figuring it out" is probably related to him no longer trying to be a starter. In his age 27 season, he was immediately good as a reliever, although his walk rate was still high (4.46 & 4.99 BB/9 - bad but not Darwinzon bad) until his age 29 season when he turned into an elite reliever for 4 years.

Darwinzon has oddly got worse every year, albeit most of the ML sample sizes are pretty small...

'19 3.57 xFIP (7.71 BB/9)
'20 4.24 xFIP (8.64 BB/9)
'21 4.41 xFIP (6.98 BB/9)
'22 7.13 xFIP (10.80 BB/9)
 

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Just out of curiosity, what does more reliable depth than those guys look like? Not saying they're irreplaceable or anything, but I think they all have value to the Sox to varying degrees. Seems as though most if not all of them are ticketed for Worcester to start the year, which in and of itself is a quality that would be harder to replace on the free agent market. And trading for it might require giving up more than the upgrade is worth.
That’s a fair point, they could easily not add any more players and go to camp with who they have; that would likely mean Duran and Dalbec make the team. I think they lack depth in case of a few injuries if that happens and would be better off giving spots to say, Iglesias and Duvall (insert other names if you don’t like these guys). But it really comes down to what one thinks of Duran and Dalbec and Seabold and their ability to help the team now and down the road.
 

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That’s a fair point, they could easily not add any more players and go to camp with who they have; that would likely mean Duran and Dalbec make the team. I think they lack depth in case of a few injuries if that happens and would be better off giving spots to say, Iglesias and Duvall (insert other names if you don’t like these guys). But it really comes down to what one thinks of Duran and Dalbec and Seabold and their ability to help the team now and down the road.
With the new rules next year, I'm wondering if there's a place for Duran on the team as a late-inning base stealer a lá Dave Roberts. He hasn't been able to translate his speed into stolen bases, but the tools are there.
 

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With the new rules next year, I'm wondering if there's a place for Duran on the team as a late-inning base stealer a lá Dave Roberts. He hasn't been able to translate his speed into stolen bases, but the tools are there.
But isn't that what makes him so very different from Roberts? Hadn't Dave R. demonstrated that ability many times before he was picked up by the Sox? (Maybe I'm wrong. You tell me.)
 

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With the new rules next year, I'm wondering if there's a place for Duran on the team as a late-inning base stealer a lá Dave Roberts. He hasn't been able to translate his speed into stolen bases, but the tools are there.
I think that role, should we need it, might be ably filled by Hamilton. He seems to be a much better baserunner than Duran.
 

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With the new rules next year, I'm wondering if there's a place for Duran on the team as a late-inning base stealer a lá Dave Roberts. He hasn't been able to translate his speed into stolen bases, but the tools are there.
Stealing bases requires getting on base, which was his problem. He hasn't run a ton, but he does have a very high percentage when he does, 7/8 last year in the majors and 18/21 in AAA
 

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But isn't that what makes him so very different from Roberts? Hadn't Dave R. demonstrated that ability many times before he was picked up by the Sox? (Maybe I'm wrong. You tell me.)
MLB steals in their 20s:

Dave Roberts 12
Jarren Duran 9

Roberts had 243 for his career (245 including post season), but he didn't really get much Major League playing time until his age 30 season.

I've kinda written off Duran for a while now, buuut...maybe he's not entirely irredeemable?

93rd percentile sprint speed, 69th percentile outfield jump (surprising), 69th percentile arm strength, & he's 26 which isn't like young, but not so old that there can't be more there there. 132 & 120 wRC+ in AAA the last 2 seasons.

& he's lefty, super fast, & has a groundball rate over 50% (only a .217 BA on those balls last season in MLB), so he could certainly be someone helped by the shift rules.

He had a 22 wRC+ last year against lefties (& an amazing -12 at home against lefties), but his 91 against righties isn't so awful that he couldn't become competent if platooned correctly. Idk, I'm probably over thinking it. Fangraphs projects a bump from 78 to 92 wRC+ & from -0.4 WAR to 0.3 WAR in only 245 PAs. If we got something slightly above replacement level that wouldn't be a bad result.
 

Eddie Bressoud

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If the Sox don't give Duran a shot, they have to move him. I keep thinking a team like the A's or Royals could take advantage of a guy like this. The Royals made out on the Benintendi deal, maybe they will try to go back to the well.
 

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I really would like someone to ask Henry\Chaim about Correa -

Could the Sox get creative? Have Cora help talk to the both sides… No draft pick attached ? Could we pull off something in the nieghbor hood of 10 for 280M w/ a player opt out after year 5. Sox can void after year 7 if the Ankle is an issue?

This would be crazy to think how fantastic it makes this team right away.
Mayer takes over SS - Correa moves to Third at some point
 

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Well apparently screaming at Henry works according to Carrabis so let’s get a mob together
Anyone that thinks the Red Sox raised their offer by 100 mil after January 2nd is a dotard. It's going to come out this was generally in place well before Christmas.
 

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David Hamilton could fill the same role, probably better
Hamilton actually had an interesting last month in the minors that saw his hitting skills take an unexpected jump. More than likely it’s just a random hot streak but worth keeping an eye on. The book on him obviously at this point is he’s a good defense, no-bat speedster… but if his hitting skills and eye are just catching up he could be very good

edit- huh. Apparently he’s not even considered good defensively and I thought he was only 21. Ignore my post^^^
 

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Anyone that thinks the Red Sox raised their offer by 100 mil after January 2nd is a dotard. It's going to come out this was generally in place well before Christmas.
They did not raise their offer by $100 million after January 2nd. The deal was reportedly agreed up on the 2nd and the rumors broke on Wednesday. It's also funny that people think this deal got done because fans booed Henry at the Winter Classic. There has been negative press w/r/t losing Bogaerts and Devers still unsigned well before Monday.
 

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Cause Carrabis really nailed the X negotiations, right?

Dude is a clown.
To be fair, he knew the Kluber signing and even Chaim himself was surprised by the X signing. He’s actually seems like a genuine dude, not a clown. It’s a rumors thread don’t get so offended.
 

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The point of a rumors thread is not to do background checks on Twitter posters to determine if they can be trusted with classified information, it’s to compile some shit for us to talk about until there’s real news, but at the very least you have to actually post the rumor under discussion, so the rest of us don’t have to hunt down what you’re talking about.

A rumors thread is the main board equivalent of a public hot tub at a second rate ski resort: it might be kind of fun, but there’s no way it’s 100% sanitary and no one getting in is exercising their best judgment. You accept that when you get in.
 

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What are we supposed to make of this coming from an LAA guy? Not being snarky genuine question from a guy that doesn't have the cool Twitter game of the young kids.
He followed up that with saying that the Angels only spoke to Correa since a short time prior to him saying they spoke. Also said in hindsight that it was more like due diligence at the time.
 

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The point of a rumors thread is not to do background checks on Twitter posters to determine if they can be trusted with classified information, it’s to compile some shit for us to talk about until there’s real news, but at the very least you have to actually post the rumor under discussion, so the rest of us don’t have to hunt down what you’re talking about.

A rumors thread is the main board equivalent of a public hot tub at a second rate ski resort: it might be kind of fun, but there’s no way it’s 100% sanitary and no one getting in is exercising their best judgment. You accept that when you get in.
The NBA rumor mill laughs in disdain at this effort of a "rumor" thread.
 

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A rumors thread is the main board equivalent of a public hot tub at a second rate ski resort: it might be kind of fun, but there’s no way it’s 100% sanitary and no one getting in is exercising their best judgment. You accept that when you get in.
Yikes! Now I'm sorry I ever clicked on it. You have a way with words, sir.
 
Roberts had 243 for his career (245 including post season), but he didn't really get much Major League playing time until his age 30 season.
Sorry, but I can't help but find some humor in Dave Robert's post-season steals being reduced to the parenthetical. I'm sure it wasn't your intent to minimize (or maybe it was tongue-in-cheek), and also not germane to your point. Just struck me kinda funny, given the historical relevance. Perhaps the greatest postseason performance for a non-pitcher that didn't get a plate appearance. Perhaps one of the two steals was the most famous stolen base...ever. Apologies if this seems hyperbolic, but I still think of his '04 heroics almost daily. Most of this board, and perhaps the Red Sox organization, would look a lot different even today without his contributions to that ALCS.

As far as Duran, I was over him when he didn't get it together to go to Toronto, although JM3 points out that he's probably not irredeemable...I'm all for seeing if he could bring anything in trade.
 

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When Dave Robert pinch ran for Kevin Millar, EVERYBODY knew what he was in there to do. Mariano Rivera knew. Jorge Posada knew. Joe Torre and the entire Yankee bench knew. They couldn't stop him and Roberts stole the base anyway. I can't see Duran doing that
 
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Sorry, but I can't help but find some humor in Dave Robert's post-season steals being reduced to the parenthetical. I'm sure it wasn't your intent to minimize (or maybe it was tongue-in-cheek), and also not germane to your point. Just struck me kinda funny, given the historical relevance. Perhaps the greatest postseason performance for a non-pitcher that didn't get a plate appearance. Perhaps one of the two steals was the most famous stolen base...ever. Apologies if this seems hyperbolic, but I still think of his '04 heroics almost daily. Most of this board, and perhaps the Red Sox organization, would look a lot different even today without his contributions to that ALCS.
Yeah, that was the joke lol
 

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I am all for rumors of any stripe and credibility level! Keep ‘em coming. They give us something to talk about, which is fun. But that Trevor Bauer blog post is not in any way a rumor. It’s not even a thought experiment. It’s barely disguised click bait, with the writer himself acknowledging, immediately after asking the question of whether the Sox should sign Bauer, that it will not happen because the Sox have historically avoided players with a history of domestic abuse and violence. There is no need for us to treat this as a rumor because it is not a rumor. The Red Sox are not contemplating signing Trevor Bauer. He will not play for this team. None of us has to worry about our fandom being put in any kind of moral quandary. I love rumors, no matter how shaky their source! More, more, more! This, however, is not a rumor and requires no discussion or rebuttal.