Red Sox Trade Deadline 2022
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The lineup mismanagement and poor use of the bullpen shouldn't matter to the Nats since they won't be competing any time soon. But yeah Cora's performance this year has been questionable.
Again, for everyone saying sell, what are you selling? Xander has a no trade clause. Devers is their only good young player. Everyone else is either old, injured, or just plain sucks.
If this team is going nowhere why would Xander hang around if he can get another shot at a ring? Assuming JD is back in the lineup soon he holds some value and Vaz also holds some value.
He gets to control where he goes, which narrows the amount of bidders, making the return worse.
If they are trading CVaz, then it is an indication that they are looking to assess how good or bad their internal options (Wong, Hernandez) are. Not trading free agents when the team is not good enough to compete for a playoff spot is not a good option, either.
I am going to aasume that the teams interested in X are going to be contenders. There is a good chance X doesn't much care where he plays for half a season as long as it is a contender.
He's been getting clobbered since coming back from the IL, his velocity is down from where it was. Who's going to give us value for that?
He's made two starts, so I guess we can wait a couple more to see if suddenly this is his new normal.
Teams are always looking for pitching, like we were when we traded for him. If he just returns to mediocrity, people will pay based on his larger body of work.
If Xander is traded in season there is no draft pick compensation. He should definitely accept a trade to enhance his free agent market.
I am going to assume that speculating about his mindset is worthless.
That said, it would be interesting to know what happens to his opt-outs if he does accept a trade
Speculation is about 90 percent of what goes on in this board. It is part of what makes being a fan of a sports team fun.
Fun for those of us who don't have to wade through it while looking for news or actual insight.
I feel dirty for admitting this but . . . tonight’s outcome was sort of liberating. Maybe it’s the Flying Dog talking but I feel this provides some clarity. There‘s no calvary arriving so see what the kids in the rotation can do. It’s useful to find out what we have in Winckowski, Crawford & Bello. We’ll need them in ‘23 and going forward. See what German & Politi can do.
And bring up Casas as soon as he’s ready. The bar to clear is Cordero. I’m fairly certain he can strike out less than 26 times in 42 ABs and not trip over himself @ 1st.
And bring up Casas as soon as he’s ready. The bar to clear is Cordero. I’m fairly certain he can strike out less than 26 times in 42 ABs and not trip over himself @ 1st.
This is something that is brought up occasionally, and I'm a little surprised isn't brought up more. If they decide over the next week that they are sellers, I wouldn't be outrageously surprised if they were able to convince Xander to waive his NTC to certain teams. It would definitely make the offseason better for him, and it would guarantee the Sox get something in return, even if that return is maybe 75 cents on the dollar due to Xander being able to narrow down his destinations.
The question would then be, which contenders need a SS? I assume the AL East is out off the bat, other than maybe Baltimore, who the Sox have dealt with in the recent past, and who could use an upgrade on Jorge Mateo. Houston, Minnesota and the White Sox don't need shortstops, and Seattle and Cleveland likely don't want to trade assets for what would be a moderate upgrade at most (both Rosario and JP Crawford are very competent, IMO).
In the NL, I'm going to assume the Dodgers, Braves, Padres, Cardinals, Mets and Giants are out right off the bat, as none of them need a SS this year (though the Dodgers may be in on him in free agency if they move on from Trea).
Which really leaves.... Milwaukee?? Adames isn't playing as well as I expected him to this year, but is still putting up a .771 OPS even with what seems like abysmal luck. His xSLG/xwOBA/Barrel% are all around 80th percentile or higher, so I suspect you might see him improve in the second half, while also playing better defense than Xander (this year, anyway, and both are pretty mediocre).
I guess after doing this research, I've kind of talked myself out of it, as I really don't see anywhere he could go.
No, there's good stuff here. But there's a lot of inanity.
I think your speculation would improve if you put on your imaginary GM hat and considered the constraints:
1) You have to field a moderately competitive team, otherwise you're going to demotivate players, discourage free agents, and lose revenue.
1a) The team is synergistic, and players are not infinitely fungible. So you can't have a shortstop who can't field, or a 1b who can't catch, without massive compensation elsewhere.
2) You want to maximize value - trading less certain future-value for more solid now-value.
3) Punting to a certain extent is acceptable in a losing year, but you can't blindly do so. There has to be a plan in place for next year, and ideally the year or two after.
So, stuff like this:
Is useless.
Do better.
Certainly trending toward sellers but I'm not quite ready to throw in the towel. Thar 25-8 game against the Marlins they kept talking about last night -- the Marlins won the WS that year. But they need to do more than tread water over the next 8 or days, otherwise sell, sell, sell IMO.
The only problem is that their trade pieces are slowly cratering in value with each passing game.
Trade away as many pieces as you can now and bring up the kids for the rest of the season. If Xander waives his NTC, a contender will be very interested and he’s more valuable when looking for offers in FA as no pick is handcuffed to him. We should definitely be making a solid offer as well. Give him a shot at a ring and try hard to bring him back. If he signs elsewhere, it is what it is.
Trade what we have to for Soto. If we don’t have to include Mayer, he should be ready at the tail end of Soto’s current deal and we build around them, Story, and Devers (all in on getting him signed for life along with Soto).
We’re done this year, so hopefully that creates less pressure on the kids and allows them to show us what we’ve got. Restock the farm via trades and drafts and we’ll be contenders again in 2-3 years.
Trade what we have to for Soto. If we don’t have to include Mayer, he should be ready at the tail end of Soto’s current deal and we build around them, Story, and Devers (all in on getting him signed for life along with Soto).
We’re done this year, so hopefully that creates less pressure on the kids and allows them to show us what we’ve got. Restock the farm via trades and drafts and we’ll be contenders again in 2-3 years.
Who are the kids people would call up for the rest of the season? Who are the kids people call up if they trade them all away for Soto?
Trade away the kids, lets see what the kids got for the rest of the year. They aren't really inclusive. Unless you want to see what they can do in Washington uniforms.
Trade away the kids, lets see what the kids got for the rest of the year. They aren't really inclusive. Unless you want to see what they can do in Washington uniforms.
There are tons if post listing who could potentially available in a trade. One can list those players that would be available due to their impending free agency without writing an entire dissertation. As for who replaces the players once they get traded, who cares. Anybody will do since the season is over
A lot of kids are up but Casas is the big one. Wong and Downs can help fill in any gaps left by players who are traded
One has to think that Casas would have gotten the call by now if not for his injury. He should soon, which means addition by subtraction in getting rid of one or both of Bobby and Franchy. That would be a good start to rebuilding the team in-season at no cost
Beyond that, it's slim pickings.
Beyond that, it's slim pickings.
Downs shouldn’t be up; he’s not ready. Casas is really the only “kid” ready to be called up; there isn’t anyone else. That’s the challenge with trading anyone away. The team really needs major league ready players back, but what they have to deal seems unlikely to return that. I guess it could be worthwhile to get Wong / Hernandez some playing time and hope one could at least be the backup next year? But trade away the expiring contracts and you are very likely going to be putting out a really embarrassing product for the final few months of the season.
You mean the post that answer who I think has value and could be available? The same post that I responded to a concern about Xander's NTC? I guess if a person has reading difficulties it could be considered obscure.
If the Sox are tanking they don't need to fill every position with a viable major leaguer. They have an entire off season to figure out how to put a viable major leaguer in that position.
Oh yeah, definitely looking forward to watching Downs play for another 60 games. Groan...
I agree with that. But if you trade Boagerts, JD, Vaz, Eovaldi, etc for lower level minor leaguers (which seems to be the most likely return) and replace them with the available options as of now, it’s going to be a long final two months. Maybe that doesn’t matter, but it probably isn’t appealing to ownership. I imagine they will be looking for major league talent back (similar to when they dealt Lester, Lackey, etc. back in the day).
That is actually a good point. Unless the Sox are interested in resigning Vaz or signing Contreras, the pickings are slim at catcher this offseason. Trade seems to be the route to go to fulfill that particular need. I think that if the Sox sell Bloom is going to aquire a mixture of prospects and vets. Guys like Downs might get more at bats then we would like, but I think a lot of holes will be filled via the trades Bloom makes.
I know nobody is a huge Vaz fan, but if he’d sign a 2 year deal at the AAV he makes now, it wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world and would be one less thing to worry about on the off-season.
Again, though, which "contender" would bother giving up prospects for 2 months of Bogaerts? None of them need a SS, really this year or next.
And to be honest, the more I think about it from Xander's POV, the more I think about opting in to the final two years and hoping for a better market (obviously with shorter term) on the other side. I don't think this season has increased his value, and I honestly think the number of teams who are going to be bidding for his services this off season is a really short list, especially with the QO attached, and doesn't really include any real contenders.
Vaz has been a real bright spot this season and the catcher market is pretty grim. I’d do this in a second.
It’s interesting to think about what this team’s philosophy is. For all the comparisons to Tampa you’d think the model they really are looking at is Los Angeles – develop a great farm system but use your financial might to maintain a high payroll, be in the mix year after year for elite FAs and use the combo to always stay competitive. And even after the slightly hesitant offseason with Story and Hill the only real pieces they added—I thought they should’ve retained Schwarber as an eventual JD replacement—I felt they were probably trending in that direction.
But this year has been peculiar. They started terribly and have had a lot of injuries. But even when they started playing well, you saw some storm clouds – and they didn’t make any moves to address them: not just the bullpen and 1B but also corner OF (when Kiké went down) and maybe SP. They seemed content to rely on their depth which is fine for a bridge period but eventually will be revealed. Which it now has. Meanwhile, there’s been increasing anxiety about Xander and Raffy post-Mookie.
So the question then becomes: what’s the approach here? You have a ton of money coming off the books but are you really planning on wiping the team clean and starting from scratch? Or are you going to build on what you have, which will require some measure of overpayment for your most important assets? The latter would be in dollars for Xander and years for Devers most likely.
Unlike some posters I’m not angry. But I am little confused. There’s no need for a tear down here unless you are dead set on never paying anyone more than $140M/6.
This isn’t a FO that seems to go into things without a plan. But it’s late July and I’m still not sure what that plan is. Which is why I have no idea what they’re going to do these next two weeks.
But this year has been peculiar. They started terribly and have had a lot of injuries. But even when they started playing well, you saw some storm clouds – and they didn’t make any moves to address them: not just the bullpen and 1B but also corner OF (when Kiké went down) and maybe SP. They seemed content to rely on their depth which is fine for a bridge period but eventually will be revealed. Which it now has. Meanwhile, there’s been increasing anxiety about Xander and Raffy post-Mookie.
So the question then becomes: what’s the approach here? You have a ton of money coming off the books but are you really planning on wiping the team clean and starting from scratch? Or are you going to build on what you have, which will require some measure of overpayment for your most important assets? The latter would be in dollars for Xander and years for Devers most likely.
Unlike some posters I’m not angry. But I am little confused. There’s no need for a tear down here unless you are dead set on never paying anyone more than $140M/6.
This isn’t a FO that seems to go into things without a plan. But it’s late July and I’m still not sure what that plan is. Which is why I have no idea what they’re going to do these next two weeks.
I'm not sure I agree on these. It doesn't look like Crawford will be out too long, and the Giants (and their fans) still love his defense at SS.
In SD, Tatis is hitting in the cage, and while he might be made of glass, I don't think they are going to want to dip into their prospect pool to replace Ha-Seong Kim (who is a very competent defender in his own right).
I'd kill to add Logan O'Hoppe to the organization, but with Realmuto being on the wrong side of old I can't imagine Philly moves him.
Padres have a pretty good shortstop due off the IL at some point soon. I agree about the Giants but it might be awkward for Brandon Crawford.
I do think there’s a chance the Cardinals are the answer, though, they can put Edman in the OF or back at 2B, or use him as a Zobrist type (which I think is what they did last year?). The other problem is that the Cardinals and Giants are two possible Soto destinations, not that the same prospects would be involved or anything like that, but would a team really make both moves?
(Please note that I remain agnostic on the question of trading him at all at this juncture.)