Well, he had 14 wins as a 20 year old, which gave him a good start on that, and was durable, but then scuffled around for much of the next four seasons.Porcello is now 11-0 at Fenway this season, and notched his 100th win in the majors last night. The list of guys with 100 wins at 28 is... interesting.
Wright? Hill?Also, I tossed this out there in the Farrell thread, but has any pitcher improved under Farrell's coaching team? Clay in 13, Doubront in 13, Kelly the second half of '15, and Porcello the second half of '15 onwards.
Taz? Koji? Miller? Barnes? I'm not sure this line of inquiry can prove something about Farrell. There are dozens of factors facing every pitcher at this level that determine whether he succeeds or fails. If there's a case to be made against Farrell, I doubt we have access to the key information.Wright? Hill?
SOSH - where we run away from even trying to figure out what the facts around Farrell are. I think any discussion of Porcello has to include his disastrous 2015 campaign and what the reasons for it were.Another thread derailed. Way to go Rovin
OK, but there's a Farrell thread elsewhere, and as I said, just looking at the pitchers -- some of whom got better, others worse -- proves nothing.SOSH - where we run away from even trying to figure out what the facts around Farrell are. I think any discussion of Porcello has to include his disastrous 2015 campaign and what the reasons for it were.
List of active pitchers with 100 wins before their 28th birthday:Porcello is now 11-0 at Fenway this season, and notched his 100th win in the majors last night. The list of guys with 100 wins at 28 is... interesting.
The VB adds 12 points to pitchers on division leading teams. This will be a runaway when the Sox takeover 1st place.With the win Porcello moves into #1 on ESPN's Cy predictor
http://www.espn.com/mlb/features/cyyoung
i think you can make a strong case for any of about 5 guys, but pretty impressive that he is at that position with only a month to go
Two options to shorten it to "Fred" and he chose "Rick." An underrated quality in a starting pitcher.Frederick Alfred Porcello III
It's always a little odd to me to see a CY winner (or likely candidate) with an ERA of more than 3, but there's no true standout in the AL. If everyone keeps on as they are, it's going to be hard to deny Hamels.With the win Porcello moves into #1 on ESPN's Cy predictor
http://www.espn.com/mlb/features/cyyoung
i think you can make a strong case for any of about 5 guys, but pretty impressive that he is at that position with only a month to go
I think it would be a great project to look at how the 93 starts of Pedro's 98-2000 seasons ended up with a 60-17 record. Great numbers, but I have a feeling JW did him no favors with those lineups.There's only 1 18 game winner in MLB right now and his name is Rick Porcello. He should get 6 more starts unless they chose to skip him once for rest.
Just some comps:
Last Sox 20 game winner: Beckett 2007
Last Sox 21 game winner: Shilling 2004 (and Lowe 2002)
Last Sox 22 game winner: Tiant 1974 (and Lonborf 1967)
Last Sox 23 game winner: Pedro 1999
Last Sox 24 game winner: Clemens 1986
Or, god forbid, "Trey"Two options to shorten it to "Fred" and he chose "Rick." An underrated quality in a starting pitcher.
Frederick Alfred Porcello III
Wait, so his legal name is Frederick Porcello, but he now goes by Rick Fred Porcello?Two options to shorten it to "Fred" and he chose "Rick." An underrated quality in a starting pitcher.
No, Rick Al Porcello. Don't call him Fred.Wait, so his legal name is Frederick Porcello, but he now goes by Rick Fred Porcello?
Pedro generally got good run support in those years, but some of his games do tell the story of bad lineups:I think it would be a great project to look at how the 93 starts of Pedro's 98-2000 seasons ended up with a 60-17 record. Great numbers, but I have a feeling JW did him no favors with those lineups.
The Beckett?It's always a little odd to me to see a CY winner (or likely candidate) with an ERA of more than 3, but there's no true standout in the AL. If everyone keeps on as they are, it's going to be hard to deny Hamels.
That said we need some sort of Lackey/Porcello award for pitchers who have a disastrous year(s), but come back to anchor the rotation. (I know Lackey was injured, but there's a similar "sweeping to the rescue" vibe.)
And I am hopeful that we learn not to rush to judgement when we evaluate trades/contracts until we have bigger sample sizes and more time.
But not at work.I'm more amused by that Porcello's initials can be reduced to 'FAP 3'.
If you don't have any idea what FAP is, uh... google it.
I just call FAP 3 "Tuesday."I'm more amused by that Porcello's initials can be reduced to 'FAP 3'.
If you don't have any idea what FAP is, uh... google it.
When they made the trade, I semi-seriously joked that Porcello could be a innings eating soft-contact inducing #1 like Halladay was with Toronto. (best case scenario) He'd had a really good stretch of pitching with Detroit until he hit a wall in late 2014 and had seemed to be on the verge of being a top of the rotation type pitcher.Pete Abraham @PeteAbe 12h12 hours ago
Rick Porcello in 35 starts since coming off the DL last Aug. 26: 22-7, 3.23 ERA. An average of 6.2 IP per start.
Lonborf really carried them that year.There's only 1 18 game winner in MLB right now and his name is Rick Porcello. He should get 6 more starts unless they chose to skip him once for rest.
Just some comps:
Last Sox 20 game winner: Beckett 2007
Last Sox 21 game winner: Shilling 2004 (and Lowe 2002)
Last Sox 22 game winner: Tiant 1974 (and Lonborf 1967)
Last Sox 23 game winner: Pedro 1999
Last Sox 24 game winner: Clemens 1986
No, Rick Al Porcello. Don't call him Fred.
I initially thought that 99 was Tom Gordon's 46 Save year. But that was 98 - TG appeared in 73 games, all but 9 of which were Sox wins. And of those nine losses he only allowed runs in 5 of them. He had one blown save (Pedro, of course). That's a pretty charmed "do no harm" season.Pedro generally got good run support in those years, but some of his games do tell the story of bad lineups:
4/15/99: Pedro goes 7 IP, 3 R, 1 BB, 10K. Sox lose 4-0.
4/20/99: Pedro goes 7.2 IP, 0 R, 3 BB, 10 K, Sox win 1-0
7/7/99: Pedro goes 8 IP, 3 R, 2 BB, 14 K, Sox lose 3-2
8/19/99: Pedro goes 7 IP, 3 R, 0BB, 11 K, Sox lose 6-2
Those are 3 of his 4 losses in 1999, and all three were excellent pitching performances that should have resulted in wins had the offense been any good.
In 99 he only had a couple of poor starts (well, poor for Pedro):
6/9/99 @ MON: 6 IP, 4 R, 2 BB, 10 K. Sox lose 13-1
7/18/99: 3.2 IP, 9 R, 0 BB, 3 K. Sox actually won this one 11-9. This was his only objectively bad start of the year, and he went on the DL afterwards and didn't pitch until August.
In 99 Pedro made 30 starts and got decisions in 27 of them, which is pretty damn remarkable.
He was a freat dentist, from what I understand.Lonborf really carried them that year.
Martinez came out because of a sore shoulder. (And Rico Brogna won the game with a walk-off grand slam.)8/14 vs. Tampa: 4 IP, 6 H, 3 R, 3 ER, 0 BB, 6 K (ND, Sox win 7-3) ... only threw 63 pitches here, not sure why he came out
(Boston Globe story by Bob Hoeler, 8/15/2000)
Glaringly absent from the postgame celebration, though, was Martinez, who left a prepared statement with the team and told a couple of reporters on his way out that he thought the injury was not serious and could have been caused by sleeping the wrong way.
In his official statement, Martinez said, "I just had a stiff shoulder. It just didn't feel right. It got to a point where I didn't want to chance it. It's not worth it, going out there and getting hurt again."
That team had more bottom-barrel mid-season acquisitions than I would care to see in a decade's time.Martinez came out because of a sore shoulder. (And Rico Brogna won the game with a walk-off grand slam.)
We know about the Killer Bs, but why does no one talk about the Killer Ps? Pomeranz has a 3.00 ERA with 9.9 K/9; Price leads the AL in innings pitched, has fanned 9.5 per 9, and has won his last five; and Porcello is Porcello -- 19-3 and currently #2 in the AL in WHIP after Verlander.And Pomeranz 8th
Using the Bill James method, Porcello is first.Might have to rethink Bens legacy after this season. Porcello looking pretty good now
Price had a similar slow start to his Red Sox career as Porcello, not quite as bad though. Since Bannister came in however , Price is 6-5 with a 2.78 ERA. Porcello is 9-2 with a 2.44 ERA (coming into tonight) although he was pretty good before too . Thats a pretty good 1-2 regardless of who you call the ace.
Price ERA is too high for Cy Young considerations, and Porcello does not have enough K's and his ERA over 3, so despite the high W total, he probably is not getting it barring a phenomenal finish. Tango has him 5th coming into todays game and Price 16th
http://www.baseballmusings.com/cgi-bin/CyYoungTracker.py