If you just don't count their all star, who do they have?If you don't include Tatum, what team has worse under age 24 talent than the Celtics?
Good grief.
If you just don't count their all star, who do they have?If you don't include Tatum, what team has worse under age 24 talent than the Celtics?
It's a fair question. He's been in the league for 5 years. Jaylen 6. They aren't "young players" in the sense we use the word young players.If you just don't count their all star, who do they have?
Good grief.
We had similar arguments in the Grant thread, when some folks were laughed off for comparing him to Tucker. Yeah, he's not Tucker now, but neither was Tucker at this age. It took Tucker a while to turn into Tucker. It's not crazy to think that peak Grant might be peak Tucker, who was a valuable player.Or because people say 18.7 minutes is basically starter minutes but sure. Read what HRB wrote and tell me that isn't a homer response. 19 is close to 27? Um, no. It's about 2/3.
Or then you have others comparing Posey starting games right out of the gate as a 22/23 year old college player to Romeo who was 19/20.
Fun times. A lot of the arguments are not reasonable.
Nah, it's a silly question when you're talking about under 24 talent, then say but don't include your under 24 all star. Just absurd.It's a fair question. He's been in the league for 5 years. Jaylen 6. They aren't "young players" in the sense we use the word young players.
Avoid the question though because you know the answer. The young talent they've added over the last 3 years in the draft is near the bottom of the NBA.
Yeah but that's another thing. Who cares if he's Tucker 6 years from now? Peak Grant may very well be a valuable player but how does that help the Celtics if it's in 2027 with the Cavs?We had similar arguments in the Grant thread, when some folks were laughed off for comparing him to Tucker. Yeah, he's not Tucker now, but neither was Tucker at this age. It took Tucker a while to turn into Tucker. It's not crazy to think that peak Grant might be peak Tucker, who was a valuable player.
We all bring our biases to the table. And most of us are decent at reconsidered our positions once presented with evidence. But the biases are still there.
So I changed my question. Look at other teams who drafted outside the top 10. Look at the drafts. There was plenty of talent available after the top 10.Nah, it's a silly question when you're talking about under 24 talent, then say but don't include your under 24 all star. Just absurd.
As for the last three years of the draft, that's kinda how it works when you pick outside of the top ten.
Like, do you complain when you go to a car dealer only able to spend 20K on a car that you don't drive out with a BMW?
I agree. Even if it's a more reasonable 3 years from now, it's still not very meaningful now.Yeah but that's another thing. Who cares if he's Tucker 6 years from now? Peak Grant may very well be a valuable player but how does that help the Celtics if it's in 2027 with the Cavs?
Lol….of course nobody said he plays “basically plays starters minute” so there’s that. What I said was that he “nearly” plays starters minutes which is accurate at 19 mpg. On any given night you’ll find 40-60% of starters playing 30 min or less which is why 27-30 is a rough estimate of what I’d consider “starters minutes.”Or because people say 18.7 minutes is basically starter minutes but sure. Read what HRB wrote and tell me that isn't a homer response. 19 is close to 27? Um, no. It's about 2/3.
Or then you have others comparing Posey starting games right out of the gate as a 22/23 year old college player to Romeo who was 19/20.
Fun times. A lot of the arguments are not reasonable.
27-30 minutes is starter minutes. 19 minutes isn't nearly 27 minutes. But I digress.Lol….of course nobody said he plays “basically plays starters minute” so there’s that. What I said was that he “nearly” plays starters minutes which is accurate at 19 mpg. On any given night you’ll find 40-60% of starters playing 30 min or less which is why 27-30 is a rough estimate of what I’d consider “starters minutes.”
Not nearly as LAZY as asking the question, who has worse under 24 talent than the Celtics, but you can't include Tatum who's under 24? That's a snoozer.So I changed my question. Look at other teams who drafted outside the top 10. Look at the drafts. There was plenty of talent available after the top 10.
You are just using the weak old excuse of "Oh but they picked 14th and that's the expected outcome."
It's LAZY.
It's not like there was only 1 player drafted after AN and RL that are better than they are.
That's why I changed my question because I wasn't trying to be creative by excluding Tatum. And in those 3 years, the C's had 5 1st round picks and 2 at 14. To be in the bottom in talent added via the draft over the last 3 years, (4 if you include this year, which is not fair) is nota good thing.Not nearly as LAZY as asking the question, who has worse under 24 talent than the Celtics, but you can't include Tatum who's under 24? That's a snoozer.
And the "Oh but they picked 14th and that's the expected outcome" isn't an excuse, weak or otherwise. It's just facts.
Some guys picked after AN and RL look better than they do right now, some look worse. That's kinda how it goes picking later in the draft.
How many difference makers do you see picked after those guys? Even the guys who so far look like the best of the bunch would be bench players here right now. Then we'd be complaining about those guys and pining for whatever other guys picked at the end of the round that happened to be getting minutes based on their situation.
let me put it this way. Since they drafted Tatum, without a pick above 14, they drafted a starter and two rotation players on good teams. Do you think that is above expected value, on par with expected value, or beliw expected value?So I changed my question. Look at other teams who drafted outside the top 10. Look at the drafts. There was plenty of talent available after the top 10.
You are just using the weak old excuse of "Oh but they picked 14th and that's the expected outcome."
It's LAZY.
It's not like there was only 1 player drafted after AN and RL that are better than they are.
Looking at the last 3 drafts, below. 2018 was incredibly deep.let me put it this way. Since they drafted Tatum, without a pick above 14, they drafted a starter and two rotation players on good teams. Do you think that is above expected value, on par with expected value, or beliw expected value?
The other problem is developmental minutes. if Nesmith was on a non-contendrr, he'd probably be shooting over 35% on a high volume of 3Ps and some other highlight reel stuff while playing 30 mpg. And losing. But he'd probably look a lot better to us than he does now.
I don't get how Cole Anthony looked like a bust 2 months ago. He was a 20 year old rookie last year. He wasn't great, but he played 27.1 mpg and put up 12.9 points, 4.7 rebounds, 4.3 assists on .397/.337/.832 shooting. Compare that to AN or RL's rookie seasons and I just don't get it.Here's the problem though. It's the 2019 draft. We don't know enough. Two months ago Cole Anthony looked like a bust and wouldn't be a part of this conversation.
Sometimes guys start out really great and never get back. Tyreke Evans, 2010 NBA Rookie of the Year.
Putting aside the semantic distinction between "basically" and "nearly", the argument continues to be silly. By your metric, Lamarcus Aldridge (13.1 ppg) scores "nearly" as many points per game as James Harden (18.2 ppg). i.e.Lol….of course nobody said he plays “basically plays starters minute” so there’s that. What I said was that he “nearly” plays starters minutes which is accurate at 19 mpg. On any given night you’ll find 40-60% of starters playing 30 min or less which is why 27-30 is a rough estimate of what I’d consider “starters minutes.”
Fine. Bust may be too strong. He was under 40% shooter and was under 40% in college. His True Shooting percentage has gone through the roof this year. Nothing there led me to believe he was going to break out in a big way this year.I don't get how Cole Anthony looked like a bust 2 months ago. He was a 20 year old rookie last year. He wasn't great, but he played 27.1 mpg and put up 12.9 points, 4.7 rebounds, 4.3 assists on .397/.337/.832 shooting. Compare that to AN or RL's rookie seasons and I just don't get it.
How is that a bust? If RL or AN did that their rookie year, we'd be excited for year 2 because young players often improve. We were excited anyway and our guys didn't really do anything. Not to mention Anthony was the 15th pick. I'd say he greatly outperformed that slot in his rookie year but 15 has been a jackpot in the draft. (Giannis, Kawhi)
What were people expecting Cole Anthony's 2nd year to look like exactly? No improvement whatsoever? With any type of growth, he was looking to be a solid player.
Lol….of course nobody said he plays “basically plays starters minute” so there’s that. What I said was that he “nearly” plays starters minutes which is accurate at 19 mpg. On any given night you’ll find 40-60% of starters playing 30 min or less which is why 27-30Or because people say 18.7 minutes is basically starter minutes but sure. Read what HRB wrote and tell me that isn't a homer response. 19 is close to 27? Um, no. It's about 2/3.
Or then you have others comparing Posey starting games right out of the gate as a 22/23 year old college player to Romeo who was 19/20.
Fun times. A lot of the arguments are not reasonable.
Ok this is silly. Would you agree that he has earned his top of bench rotation position and is firmly entrenched as a key piece of our rotation?Putting aside the semantic distinction between "basically" and "nearly", the argument continues to be silly. By your metric, Lamarcus Aldridge (13.1 ppg) scores "nearly" as many points per game as James Harden (18.2 ppg). i.e.
1. 19 minutes per game is 70.3% of a starter who plays 27 minutes per game. (63.3% if we use 30 minutes)
2. 13.1 ppg is 71.9% of Harden's 18.2 ppg.
That tracks for you?
If you’re only looking at numbers then no. His work ethic was legendary in his one year at UNC where he showed strong leadership roles. These are not nothing factors. There may not be a more insane preparation and workout guy in the league and this kid is still a kid in his second year. Those guys generally hit their ceiling with their heads.Fine. Bust may be too strong. He was under 40% shooter and was under 40% in college. His True Shooting percentage has gone through the roof this year. Nothing there led me to believe he was going to break out in a big way this year.
Edit: Don't take this as a defense of RL. I hope he turns into a useful piece.
So far, we have no idea.That's why I changed my question because I wasn't trying to be creative by excluding Tatum. And in those 3 years, the C's had 5 1st round picks and 2 at 14. To be in the bottom in talent added via the draft over the last 3 years, (4 if you include this year, which is not fair) is nota good thing.
And what is a difference maker? Are we talking Jaylen Brown level? The 2019 draft is kinda meh but Johnson and Poole would look nice.
What is Maxey? Cole Anthony? Bane? Bey?
And you are right that they look better or worse "right now" especially in regards to the 2020 draft. But I am judging based on the right now. Things can obviously change and I still have hopes for AN and ironically, the other JB, who I think has the potential to be better than anyone else taken the last 4 drafts. I say ironically because I'm not including that draft. Doesn't mean he gets there though. One player also changes everything. If the C's kept pick 30 and did take Bane, no one cares about AN and RL.
I'm not closing the book on anyone's future, just stating that right at this moment in time, the C's are among the worst in talented added via the draft from 19-21. Make all the excuses you want for it, doesn't change the fact.
If AN or RL were on a trash team like the Magic instead of a team competing for a top 3 seed in the playoffs, they'd be putting up better stats due to consistent opportunity. It's hard to put up impressive numbers when you're competing for spot minutes in between Jaylen, Jayson, and Marcus. If Nesmith was on New Orleans in a pressure free role getting 25 minutes a night, I'm fairly confident he'd put up some good numbers.I don't get how Cole Anthony looked like a bust 2 months ago. He was a 20 year old rookie last year. He wasn't great, but he played 27.1 mpg and put up 12.9 points, 4.7 rebounds, 4.3 assists on .397/.337/.832 shooting. Compare that to AN or RL's rookie seasons and I just don't get it.
How is that a bust? If RL or AN did that their rookie year, we'd be excited for year 2 because young players often improve. We were excited anyway and our guys didn't really do anything. Not to mention Anthony was the 15th pick. I'd say he greatly outperformed that slot in his rookie year but 15 has been a jackpot in the draft. (Giannis, Kawhi)
What were people expecting Cole Anthony's 2nd year to look like exactly? No improvement whatsoever? With any type of growth, he was looking to be a solid player.
These type of comments just make me roll my eyes. More young talent than the Wizards? The Bulls?If AN or RL were on a trash team like the Magic instead of a team competing for a top 3 seed in the playoffs, they'd be putting up better stats due to consistent opportunity. It's hard to put up impressive numbers when you're competing for spot minutes in between Jaylen, Jayson, and Marcus. If Nesmith was on New Orleans in a pressure free role getting 25 minutes a night, I'm fairly confident he'd put up some good numbers.
I've been pretty hard on the Celtics drafts, particularly Pritchard because I don't really see the point in a player like him, but Robert Williams was a pretty f'ing great pick from a skills perspective (though he hasn't been consistently healthy). We have as good or better young talent than a lot of teams, particularly playoff teams, especially if you pull the "remove your best young player from the mix" - off the top of my head, Denver, Portland, Clippers, Lakers, Nets, Chicago, Dallas, Milwaukee, Utah, Pacers, Wizards, Pelicans (outside of Zion, the ledger is pretty weak... maybe just Trey Murphy is a possible starter). Contending teams that aren't in development mode almost by definition don't have a ton of young talent. Like Maxey and Thybulle are cool, but are they really that much better than the Celtics young players? The delta is not so wide it's insurmountable.
I'm still hoping/expecting development from these young wings and though they obviously won't explode into all-stars, being good bench pieces that don't hurt you much on D and O is really helpful. That's not to say we couldn't have done better - the other day, I was lamenting the possibility of Bey and Bane on this board - but it's not like these guys aren't NBA players.
Okay - go ahead and roll your eyes, but also show your work. The Bulls have Patrick Williams and not much else - is he that much better, if at all, than Time Lord? I haven't seen it so far from him. The Wizards - who of Rui Hachimura, Deni Avdija, or Corey Kispert is better than Time Lord? Are those players on the Wizards even better than their Celtics wing counterparts? Hachimura isn't great at shooting from 3 or playing D, Avdija is not impressing anyone, and Kispert - who's older than Langford and Nesmith and supposedly pro-ready - is averaging about 11 minutes per game.These type of comments just make me roll my eyes. More young talent than the Wizards? The Bulls?
Ever heard of Thomas Bryant?Okay - go ahead and roll your eyes, but also show your work. The Bulls have Patrick Williams and not much else - is he that much better, if at all, than Time Lord? I haven't seen it so far from him. The Wizards - who of Rui Hachimura, Deni Avdija, or Corey Kispert is better than Time Lord? Are those players on the Wizards even better than their Celtics wing counterparts? Hachimura isn't great at shooting from 3 or playing D, Avdija is not impressing anyone, and Kispert - who's older than Langford and Nesmith and supposedly pro-ready - is averaging about 11 minutes per game.
Thomas Bryant was drafted by the Lakers. And is Coby White good? Like slam dunk "he'll have a better career than Romeo Langford"? He's not a good enough passer to be a point guard and it's not like his shooting and D make up for it. How much time is he going to see when he comes off the DL for a team trying to reach the playoffs?Ever heard of Thomas Bryant?
What about Coby White? I guess players currently on the DL don't count.
Thomas Bryant was drafted by the Lakers. And is Coby White good? Like slam dunk "he'll have a better career than Romeo Langford"? He's not a good enough passer to be a point guard and it's not like his shooting and D make up for it. How much time is he going to see when he comes off the DL for a team trying to reach the playoffs?
I don't think I'd trade Time Lord, Nesmith, Langford, Grant, and even Pritchard for Coby White and Patrick Williams. That's not even including Tatum.
At least it takes the focus off Nesmith’s 1-17 shooting outside of the Miami game. The cute thing is you’ll still see game thread posts of people wondering why Ime isn’t playing him.Another Romeo thread turned tragic.
(Yes, this is a rerun)
It's a chicken/egg situation. If you don't play him you guarantee he has ZERO value.At least it takes the focus off Nesmith’s 1-17 shooting outside of the Miami game. The cute thing is you’ll still see game thread posts of people wondering why Ime isn’t playing him.
Is TL your crutch? Not everyone ends up like TL and suggesting everyone is going to have the same development path is funny. Plus TL showed plenty of year over year improvement in rate stats from year 1 to year 2.It's a chicken/egg situation. If you don't play him you guarantee he has ZERO value.
I mean we've gone through this with Rob Williams (who you hated & had the exact same analysis this time last year) last season, now Romeo and eventually, it will be Nesmith. It takes floor minutes for these guys to become productive.
I'd rather just spend 15mins/gm in Oct/Nov/Dec to get this guy up to speed for the eventual team injuries, rigors of the regular season and the potential blockbuster trade that will put the Celtics over the top in 2023.
The delta between Smart/Schroder/JRich minutes from 30-40 aren't that much better than Langford/Nesmith. DS/MS get absurdly sloppy with the ball when driven into the ground with excess minutes.
Some of us aren't just looking at stats. You can look at a player type and role and presume some level of growth into those roles over time. If Romeo Langford is a league average shooter with his level of defense and a little bit of on-ball creativity, he's going to be a valuable two-way player. If Nesmith is an above average shooter with his effort and D, he's going to be a decent 3 and D wing.Is TL your crutch? Not everyone ends up like TL and suggesting everyone is going to have the same development path is funny. Plus TL showed plenty of year over year improvement in rate stats from year 1 to year 2.
RL sucks. "But look at TL." AN sucks. "But look at TL." TL is nothing like RL and never has been. Other than injuries, anyway.
You're making some pretty extreme declarations in this thread. I'm still waiting to hear about this amazing young Wizards core of even higher lottery picks that wouldn't even see Langford/Nesmith level minutes on this Celtics team.It's almost as bad as people using Jimmy Butler and FVV as player comps.
Yeah, I didn't mean to rehash the Ainge drafting debate. He also did fine outside of the lottery for the most part.As we are in the Romeo thread, this wishcasting and skepticism is good. People are pretty polarized around this guy, which is also good. If he starts shooting 25% from 3pt, we won't be polarized.
Regurgitating whether Danny's hit rate on longshot draft positions is good enough probably doesn't move the conversation forward. Is anyone here arguing that Danny did well in the late lottery or lower? I don't see that. Let's all stipulate that has didn't exceed expectations there before someone writes a rock opera called The Ballad of Desmond Bane.
You're making some pretty extreme declarations in this thread. I'm still waiting to hear about this amazing young Wizards core of even higher lottery picks that wouldn't even see Langford/Nesmith level minutes on this Celtics team.
Kind of like Carsen Edwards is yours?Is TL your crutch? Not everyone ends up like TL and suggesting everyone is going to have the same development path is funny. Plus TL showed plenty of year over year improvement in rate stats from year 1 to year 2.
RL sucks. "But look at TL." AN sucks. "But look at TL." TL is nothing like RL and never has been. Other than injuries, anyway.
I said it about Grant Williams and Romeo Langford too. I also didn't say anything about Carsen Edwards until he played in a regular season NBA game because the summer league is a joke. The only player I ever judged based on summer league play was Semi Ojeleye and I called him a bum who would never amount to anything. People gave me flak for that too. "It's the first summer league game." Yeah, it's all I needed.Kind of like Carsen Edwards is yours?
Every youngster sucks! because I told you all after Summer League Carsen wasn't going to amount to anything
The wing rotation on the Wizards this year is KCP, Kyle Kuzma, Beal (kinda I guess?) Kispert, Bertans, Rui, and Avdija. Last year it included Bonga, Troy Brown, Jerome Robinson, Garrison Matthews, Chandler Hutchinson, Bertans, Avdija, Rui, and Beal (kinda).Also, the Wizards were just as good as the C's last year and have been better in the early going this year.
Actually, since the beginning of last season, the Wiz are 42-41, The C's are 41-42.
Why is it so much harder to crack the C's lineup than the Wiz? Sorry, but the C's are closer to the Wizard than they are a title contender.
When is Rui playing on this Celtics team with his defense and his lack of outside shooting? Our young guys get benched for minor brain farts. What would happen with him? I think Grant would get more minutes than him despite being a much less talented offensive player.Rui would see more minutes than Langford and Nesmith combined and I mistakenly thought Bryant was drafted by the Wizards (the Lakers waived him, Wizards claimed him for nothing) and thought he was in year 4, not year 5. If you think RL and AN are comparable to Rui, I don't want to say to that. It's like saying Cole Anthony was a bust after his rookie season, which someone said.
And using FVV and Jimmy Butler for player comparisons is bad. Were you not here to see all the PP/FVV comparisons? They were slightly better than the Grant Williams/Draymond Green comparisons anyway. It's almost like Jimmy Butler and FVV are outliers.
Maybe I wouldn't need to make such statements if people didn't make such comparisons.
Then, on top of that, they say things like "Who compared Grant Williams to Draymond Green? That's silly" So you quote the person asking you that question literally making the comparison.
Why do people act as if the Celtics were so much better than the Wizards last year? They went 34-38, the C's were 36-36. All those young players having such an easy time getting on the floor going up against guys who are barely NBA players. You mean like Semi Ojeleye and Grant Williams? If Rui was on the C's last year, he's still playing 30 minutes a game. The C's are not a deep team, they weren't last year and they aren't this year.The wing rotation on the Wizards this year is KCP, Kyle Kuzma, Beal (kinda I guess?) Kispert, Bertans, Rui, and Avdija. Last year it included Bonga, Troy Brown, Jerome Robinson, Garrison Matthews, Chandler Hutchinson, Bertans, Avdija, Rui, and Beal (kinda).
So, unless you think Rui, Avdija, and Kispert are competing with Beal for minutes, there's not a Jaylen Brown or Jayson Tatum in the bunch. Their bench is much better this year, so let's see how many minutes Rui gets - I'm guessing he cuts into the 20 Avdija is getting vs. anyone else in that group. And in terms of last year, who of that group (besides Beal) is even better than Marcus Smart? It's a little easier for those young guys to get on the floor when they're going up against guys who are barely NBA players. In terms of this year, as good as Kuzma and KCP have been, they're not all-star or all-NBA level players.
I think I was replying to HRB (not you) who said TL played nervous, out of control, had no future last season.I said it about Grant Williams and Romeo Langford too. I also didn't say anything about Carsen Edwards until he played in a regular season NBA game because the summer league is a joke. The only player I ever judged based on summer league play was Semi Ojeleye and I called him a bum who would never amount to anything. People gave me flak for that too. "It's the first summer league game." Yeah, it's all I needed.
And I was a TL fan. Never said he sucked. Never said PP sucked either and thought he'd be playing 20 minutes a game this year. The only issue I ever had with TL was the fear of him getting a 4/80-4/100 contract but that's not an issue any more. I was also a big fan of AN pick. My love of the pick isn't as strong as a year ago because I have new information.
Maybe I judge players based on their own merits rather than of a completely different type of player. RL has nothing at all to do with TL. Just like PP has nothing to do with FVV or Grant Williams has nothing to do with Draymond Green. Great comparison by the way.
Who cares if people were wrong about TL? It has no bearing at all on RL. How about any time you try to predict how a player turns out, I say "How about Grant Williams?"
If it was a mental make up comparison, that's fair and their development would be linked. I'm not a psychologist and don't know these players so I try to stick to stuff that can be measured. I got on Grant for coming into camp fat entering his 2nd season with a chance to earn serious minutes. Everyone could see Grant's waistline though. That's about as far as I'll go into the mental make up game.I think I was replying to HRB (not you) who said TL played nervous, out of control, had no future last season.
He has used the same exact descriptors for Nesmith. Word for word.
Of course AN's nervous, he's excited about doing well. The guy plays hard/hustles, which makes up for his lack of lateral quickness on D. And unless every NBA scout is wrong and practice is a complete fraud, he can shoot 3s
I’d love to see my post where I said TL had no future.I think I was replying to HRB (not you) who said TL played nervous, out of control, had no future last season.
He has used the same exact descriptors for Nesmith this season. Word for word.
Of course AN's nervous, he's excited about doing well. The guy plays hard/hustles, which makes up for his lack of lateral quickness on D. And unless every NBA scout is wrong and practice is a complete fraud, he can shoot 3s
I think you are right saying the Celtics are closer to the Wizards than to a Championship-level team. Which is one more reason to not overplay DS/MS to sacrifice RL/AN minutes.
I mean, I think that you're right that Hachimura would have played over Grant and Ojelye because he is better than them, but also because he primarily plays the 4 like they do as well. Cleaning the Glass characterizes him as a big and he plays all of his minutes as a 4/5. I don't really see what that has to do with Nesmith or Romeo by extension. Nesmith and Romeo don't really play the same position or match up against the same players as Hachimura.They're competing for minutes with Brown, Tatum and Smart on this roster and now Richardson as well, that's the point people are making, and I don't really understand why it's invalid based on what you're saying.Why do people act as if the Celtics were so much better than the Wizards last year? They went 34-38, the C's were 36-36. All those young players having such an easy time getting on the floor going up against guys who are barely NBA players. You mean like Semi Ojeleye and Grant Williams? If Rui was on the C's last year, he's still playing 30 minutes a game. The C's are not a deep team, they weren't last year and they aren't this year.
Last year's version of the C's and this year's version of the C's will be closer to a play in game than a home seed. Again, the Wiz are 42-41 since last year, the C's are 41-42.
Yet the C's are such a great team that it's impossible for young players to get any playing time, even though young player Grant Williams got consistent playing time. Semi played 950 minutes. Carsen, Edwards, and Jevonte played close to 1000 minutes combined. Jabari, Kornet and Teague took up another 1000. They had time to give to AN, they just chose not to. They probably would have given RL minutes, but he was never available.
The Celtics "great depth" is not what is preventing the young players from playing. It's that they aren't better then the guys they are going up against who are barely NBA players, the same guys the Wiz are beating out for minutes.
And hoping for Grant Williams to be Draymond Green isn't being a fan. It's being a homer. Maybe go for a median outcome, like Oliver Miller.
Where am I saying that the Celtics are a great team? Their wing depth is just different and better. Say what you want about Semi, he would be in the right place on defense, which is obviously a priority to Brad (and why Rui probably wouldn't beat out Semi last year in the same situation). I'm not sure what Carsen Edwards, Luke Kornet and Jeff Teague have to do with a competition for wing minutes, but keep banging your drum and ignoring context.Why do people act as if the Celtics were so much better than the Wizards last year? They went 34-38, the C's were 36-36. All those young players having such an easy time getting on the floor going up against guys who are barely NBA players. You mean like Semi Ojeleye and Grant Williams? If Rui was on the C's last year, he's still playing 30 minutes a game. The C's are not a deep team, they weren't last year and they aren't this year.
Last year's version of the C's and this year's version of the C's will be closer to a play in game than a home seed. Again, the Wiz are 42-41 since last year, the C's are 41-42.
Yet the C's are such a great team that it's impossible for young players to get any playing time, even though young player Grant Williams got consistent playing time. Semi played 950 minutes. Carsen, Edwards, and Jevonte played close to 1000 minutes combined. Jabari, Kornet and Teague took up another 1000. They had time to give to AN, they just chose not to. They probably would have given RL minutes, but he was never available.
The Celtics "great depth" is not what is preventing the young players from playing. It's that they aren't better then the guys they are going up against who are barely NBA players, the same guys the Wiz are beating out for minutes.
And hoping for Grant Williams to be Draymond Green isn't being a fan. It's being a homer. Maybe go for a median outcome, like Oliver Miller.