DrewDawg said:
Blatter has Swiss citizenship, and I don't believe they will extradite their own citizens.
Sepp Blatter resigns, FIFA ExCo members face extradition
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Blatter has Swiss citizenship, and I don't believe they will extradite their own citizens.
Well hot damn I'm pleasantly shocked to hear this. Oliver, enjoy your Adidas Mcbudlight. I agree with Dirtynine that Russia should be left alone. Jack Qatar for '22 and that is a huge step in the right direction.
DrewDawg said:
Right, but were the others Swiss nationals? I think that's the biggest thing, that Switzerland would be less inclined to turn over one of their own citizens.
If he withdrew the President position goes to Ali who would pretty quickly start making serious changes many of which would be contrary to Blatter and his allies' interests. This way Blatter is going to be able to pick someone to take over for him, and his voting bloc will make sure they get elected over one of his opponents. Imagine it as a president resigning after he wins so his party gets the spot instead of dropping out of the election and guaranteeing the opposite party the spot.coremiller said:
There is a difference between being a subject of an investigation and having enough to indict. Likely until they started rolling up ExCo members, and looking through seized documents they just didn't have any hard evidence.DrewDawg said:
There is also a difference between being a subject and a target. The latter gets you a letter from DOJ, which he obviously didn't get or we would not be where we are.
Awesome to see him and his Russian benefactor fully exposed.
Awesome to see him and his Russian benefactor fully exposed.
Papelbon's Poutine said:
That's my guess too. Further, the FIFA guys who were arrested in Switzerland haven't been extradited at this point and its not completely obvious that they will be.
I'm a pretty fringe soccer fan, but even I know this is great news. It seems like World Cup 2022 has a better shot of being moved now, but can it really be moved here to the US? It seems like if that World Cup is moved here that this whole thing will look like just a way to coerce the move. What other countries could be in line to host? Would Europe be out with it being held there in 2018? So does that leave Mexico, Australia, and Japan?
TomRicardo said:
I haven't decided yet if this assures that Boston will get 2024, or gaurantees they won't...IOC and FIFA aren't quite the allies/friends you may think. (AND - As sketchy as some of the things IOC has done in the past are, they're rank amateurs at corruption compared to FIFA.)
yeahlunchbox said:
Mexico or Japan won't get it again. England wanted 2018 and they deserve a Cup in the modern era. The problem is if you want to rotate confederations, Europe (Russia) would have just had a turn. That leaves USA or Australia as the natural choices.
dirtynine said:
If they maintain the current rotation format (get one, skip two), South America and Europe would be out for 2022. So that means North America, Asia (including Australia), and Africa would be eligible.
I'm curious why you don't think Japan wouldn't get it? They have stadiums and will have a brand spanking new Olympic stadium in 2020, and it may mitigate any potential beef with the Asian Federation to keep the WC in Asia. I think they would be among the favorites.
I'd give 2022 to the Aussies, then bid for 2026 here. If 2022 goes to the US, it's going to give ammo to those that say the US only did the investigation because they lost the bid to Qatar.
Why should Japan get 2 World Cups in 20 years? Yeah, the last one was co-hosted, but the final was in Japan.Infield Infidel said:
Rival World Cup in 2022: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3106187/Radical-plan-RIVAL-Word-Cup-Qatar-2022-discussed-European-football-chiefs-week-minister-reveals.html
Now, this was in response to Blatter being reelected, but still.
Now, this was in response to Blatter being reelected, but still.
The sensibility that wants to see football enhanced in less developed parts of the world is a good not bad one, to me. Clearly, the USA is one of the few countries that could pull off a world cup on 10 minutes notice, but I don't think any country deserves a world cup.
I would be fine with other parts of the world having the world cup over the USA or anywhere else, even if those places are not as well equipped at the moment to handle the competition. What I would like to see changed, though, is the bid process, to make it less ridiculous and less susceptible to bribery, and also the biggest change needed is to actually work as a world community to ensure a more lasting impact in the host region, so they don't just get pillaged after four weeks.
Maybe these are incompatible goals. But Blatter trying to pry some of the control of world football from the western power centers is a part of his legacy that I don't necessarily disagree with. The way he seemingly went about, and the ultimate hubris with which he acted, are different matters entirely.
I would be fine with other parts of the world having the world cup over the USA or anywhere else, even if those places are not as well equipped at the moment to handle the competition. What I would like to see changed, though, is the bid process, to make it less ridiculous and less susceptible to bribery, and also the biggest change needed is to actually work as a world community to ensure a more lasting impact in the host region, so they don't just get pillaged after four weeks.
Maybe these are incompatible goals. But Blatter trying to pry some of the control of world football from the western power centers is a part of his legacy that I don't necessarily disagree with. The way he seemingly went about, and the ultimate hubris with which he acted, are different matters entirely.
SoxFanInCali said:
Personally, I don't think hosting 20 years prior is a big deal, and as you said they co-hosted. There are basically four countries in AFC that could legitimately bid, Australia, China, Japan, South Korea, and two co-hosted in 2002. I would be fine with any of them hosting.
So, the sponsors' legal departments concluded that the Foreign Corrupt Practices's disclosures are pretty complicated to put together.
Maybe a creative approach to 2022 would be to consider Turkey a middle east "ambassador nation" and stage it there. Yes, they're UEFA, but they're obviously very much at the crossroads of cultures there. It might minimize outcry from that part of the world; frankly, there's no middle east country that could/should realistically hold the World Cup, but perhaps it's a compromise that everybody could find a way to live with?
Yeah, that's why I thought Australia makes more sense. Never hosted before, a place the game has grown a lot in the last generation, and another Southern Hemisphere country would be preferable to Japan again, in my opinion.Infield Infidel said:
SoxFanInCali said:
Eh.
They would have to build 3 new stadiums and perform major upgrades to five other ones.
The US has to reject FIFA quality stadiums in each of their bids. Even England would need to build two new stadiums and upgrade one. Spain-Portugal would need to update some stadiums as well.
The US is the only country in the world that is ready made for a World Cup. Japan is probably the closest. If England was to go London deep (5-6 stadiums) it could as well but I am not sure of the strain on hotels.
SoxFanInCali said:
Yeah, Australia definitely works, especially if FIFA gets rid of that stupid and corrupt 1 city/1 stadium rule, which completely fucked Brazil. Sao Paulo and Rio should have had two stadiums each instead of building white elephants in the middle of nowhere. Having two sites in Johannesburg made that cup really good and convenient for fans, and Soccer City gets continued use because people actually live nearby. If they use two stadiums in each of Sydney and Melbourne, it would be really awesome.
Let me just say how ecstatic I am to even be talking about desirable places to go for this WC. I definitely wasn't going to Russia, so I was bummed to have to wait until 2026.
Blatter infection == cured
http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/02/football/fifa-sepp-blatter-presidency-successor-election/
FIFA President Sepp Blatter will step down as head of world soccer's governing body but only after the organization's executive committee organizes a fresh vote "for the election of my successor," he said Tuesday.
Blatter did not say when the election would be held but said it should before the next World Congress in May 2016. It cannot be held for at least four months, according to FIFA rules, said Domenico Scala, chairman of FIFA's audit and compliance committee.
"The expectation is that this could take place anytime from December of this year to March of next year," he said.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/02/football/fifa-sepp-blatter-presidency-successor-election/
FIFA President Sepp Blatter will step down as head of world soccer's governing body but only after the organization's executive committee organizes a fresh vote "for the election of my successor," he said Tuesday.
Blatter did not say when the election would be held but said it should before the next World Congress in May 2016. It cannot be held for at least four months, according to FIFA rules, said Domenico Scala, chairman of FIFA's audit and compliance committee.
"The expectation is that this could take place anytime from December of this year to March of next year," he said.
dirtynine said:
They would have to upgrade some stadiums and infrastructure. Germany does not have an elite stadium with capacity of 80,000 so Olympiastadon would need to be renovated
TomRicardo said:
Is 80K a new standard or something? They had the final at the Olympiastadon as recently as 2006.
Bayern is also planning to expand the Allianz Arena. They might not get to 80K (at least for internationals) but will likely be in the mid 70s in a few years.
https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/605815650536128512
That should be fun and horrifying at the same time.
That should be fun and horrifying at the same time.
TomRicardo said:
I think your suggestion that England wouldn't be capable of providing the necessary infrastructure for a 2022 WC to be a bit off the mark. During the original bidding process for 2018 England's bid was widely considered to be the best technically and that they would have little trouble along those lines.
You seem to be forgetting that there are already 10 stadia with a capacity over 40,000 (incl.Wembley) and that's before any upgrades and only includes two other stadia in London. If FIFA asked England to host a WC tomorrow, we could do it without too much difficulty. You have a decent geographical spread - missing the south coast & the west country but maybe they could be accommodated by Southampton and the Millenium stadium in Cardiff.
Wembley
Old Trafford
Emirates
City of Manchester
St James' Park
Stadium of Light
Anfield
Villa Park
Stamford Bridge
Goodison Park
Not that I think England have a cat in hells chance of ever getting the WC in my lifetime but you'd be wrong to dismiss it purely because of lack of facilities because that's not the case. It's just that politically we are isolated and have few friends outside of Europe - and I'd question some of them as well!
Any chance of getting rid of that rule for Russia? Does Samara (or locked Kaliningrad) really make any sense when both Moscow and St Pete can do 2 or more?Infield Infidel said:
Edit: Looks like they did. Dynamo and Spartak going to join Luzhniki for Moscow's 2nd.
Papelbon's Poutine said:
Switzerland has an extradition treaty with the US. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_extradition_treaties Given the magnitude of the corruption, as well as it's completely apolitical/human-rights nature, I think extradition is likely.
Also, the absence of a treaty does not mean that a government won't preform an extradition, or in some cases, allow an arrest on their own soil.
Basically it comes down to whether or not you're connected. I think the upper ranks of FIFA have few friends left.
Infield Infidel said:
The 1 city/1 stadium rule must have been a corruption thing, no? FIFA didn't require it in 2010 and they aren't requiring it in 2018. I'm guessing some big-time Brazilian contractor likely to get the bids to build the new stadia paid off FIFA to force Brazil to do that.
TomRicardo said:
We really have no idea what the rules for bids will be going forward after FIFA reorganizes; rotations, stadium minimums, etc, could all change. Many of the rules only existed because of graft and corruption. We don't even know how they will vote on it, this could be tantamount to a constitutional convention
Infield Infidel said:
Fucking Blatter forced -- FORCED -- South Korea to share/co-host the 2002 World Cup with Japan, when SK had all the momentum in a surprisingly aggressive pursuit at the very end of the voting.
The South Remembers.
Blatter and Mongjoon Jung, the SK football chair (and Hyundai heir) are bitter enemies, as Jung was once a formidable challenger to Blatter's throne. He must be lighting up a big cigar right about now.
Yeah...in order to "make good" here, FIFA can suspend the 80,000 thing if they wanted.
Also, the World Cup we're talking about is in 7 years--does it really matter who can "host it tomorrow"? Clearly there are a lot of places that could get shit done by then.
Also, the World Cup we're talking about is in 7 years--does it really matter who can "host it tomorrow"? Clearly there are a lot of places that could get shit done by then.
cjdmadcow said:
They asked for stadiums to be elite 45K and for the stadiums to be spread out (I think 3 in London is the max)
Stamford Birdge would be too small as would Goodinson (though they are looking to move/renovate). i think Villa is expanding. Point is work would need to be done.
The size and city rules aren't set in stone. Look up the Bob Ley gif for what FIFA does with rules it decides are inconvenient.
Brazil used more cities than they had to in 2014, probably because it meant more opportunities to shovel money into Cayman Islands accounts.
Brazil used more cities than they had to in 2014, probably because it meant more opportunities to shovel money into Cayman Islands accounts.
Japan in particular is on a figurative warpath as it strengthens its relations with US while aggravating pretty much all other Asian nations, particuarly SK and China over land disputes and (still) refusing to apologize for war atrocities.
Japan will be gunning to get a WC of its own I'm sure, as Abe has consolidated the corporate, political, and conservative voting blocks and will be drooling at the chance to show off.
SK, on the other hand, has had several years of economic downturn amidst return to the dictatorship days under President Park, the daughter of a former President/dictator Park Chunghee.
Pyungchang is already slated for the next Winter Games and I doubt SK would dare hosting the WC as things stand right now.
Japan will be gunning to get a WC of its own I'm sure, as Abe has consolidated the corporate, political, and conservative voting blocks and will be drooling at the chance to show off.
SK, on the other hand, has had several years of economic downturn amidst return to the dictatorship days under President Park, the daughter of a former President/dictator Park Chunghee.
Pyungchang is already slated for the next Winter Games and I doubt SK would dare hosting the WC as things stand right now.
As a couple other people have mentioned, I don't think Sepp leaving will make much difference. The voting blocs that love his sweet sweet bricks of cash still exist. His insistence on staying until a successor is elected strikes me as a bridge to the next corrupt regime. It'll probably be Sheikh Ahmad Al-Fahad Al-Sabah and the grift will go on.
DrewDawg said:
Oh Sure.
The US' bid is completely different than everyone else's in that they don't really even look at what stadiums or cities need upgrades. They actually have multiple stadium cuts. All praise the NFL and College Football.
coremiller said:
South Africa got a exception because they wouldn't have gotten to ten otherwise, then I guess they ditched it after Brazil, or Putin said Putin stuff and they let him have two in Moscow.
SeoulSoxFan said:
I totally forgot that South Korea and Japan EACH had ten stadiums, and SK couldn't even use the Seoul Olympic stadium because they were building a new stadium in Seoul. Not a huge deal since Suwon and Incheon are nearby but it would have been cool to use an Olympic stadium