This seems to be a recurring problem, first with soxeast and now here. I ask who to take off the 40 man roster and the reply is "you decide".I don't find this argument valid. Pick one of the worst 5 relievers on the 40 man. They are all replaceable.
So do you honestly believe any sample size of at bats represents the true talent of a player? I believe it measures the true performance over that period, but the actual talent requires hundreds of at-bats to stabilize, depending on the stat. It takes around 900 at bats for batting average to stabilize, for example. Chris Young has 94 this year against Lefties. Do you think his year to year split stats are because he varies wildly in talent level from season to season, or because he has a talent level that has most likely increased and declined following an aging curve like every other baseball player ever, and the sample sizes for each season has been small enough that the results are closer to random than predictive?I think I'll look at say soxpropsects analysis of BT rather than seek your opinion on BT. And yeah guys like Judge who strikeout a lot-- real relevant point you made there. I guess when I hear how teams now pack their lineup with power and don't care as much about strikeouts, I'm supposed to care about your analysis? For example, ofc we know Steamers is accurate for predicting every player (sarcasm). HAs Steamers predicted CY's current folly? SO we're supposed to think it is somehow valid now? Especially when I said "give BB a try for a short term," but I didn't say I'd cut CY?
Thanks!
I'm not going to beat this to death any longer after this, but I've posted my thoughts on this multiple times in this thread. Yet this question of "who comes off the 40 man?" keeps recurring with no rebuttal. I don't need to identify a singular corresponding roster move: there are multiple fungible back-end MRs on the 40 man. There is no reason to keep them all if the FO believes Brentz holds any value (for this year or next), which it now appears they don't. My personal opinion is that he does hold a greater value than all of Boyer/Hembree/Maddox/Taylor, and I've previously posted why I think this. A MR with options has value, yes, (I believe it's not as great as Brentz's), but that value diminishes when you have 10 relievers better than that guy and/or 10 other guys who are of similar skill and value. Any of those MRs are pretty easily replaceable by the others, another ml MR next year (are Ramirez/Olmos/Shepherd/Jerez any different from those on the 40 man?), or in FA this winter.This seems to be a recurring problem, first with soxeast and now here. I ask who to take off the 40 man roster and the reply is "you decide".
That's not how this works. If you want Brentz or someone else on the 40 man roster you need to identify the corresponding roster move.
At least I know you won't suggest DLing a healthy player!
Me either. I'd almost forgotten how much fun they are to watch.Oh come on, we haven't had a good self immolation in a while. Let it go a bit.
Yeah, you do. There have been just as many posts here defending each of the back end MRs as calls to get rid of one of them.I'm not going to beat this to death any longer after this, but I've posted my thoughts on this multiple times in this thread. Yet this question of "who comes off the 40 man?" keeps recurring with no rebuttal. I don't need to identify a singular corresponding roster move: there are multiple fungible back-end MRs on the 40 man. There is no reason to keep them all if the FO believes Brentz holds any value (for this year or next), which it now appears they don't. My personal opinion is that he does hold a greater value than all of Boyer/Hembree/Maddox/Taylor, and I've previously posted why I think this. A MR with options has value, yes, (I believe it's not as great as Brentz's), but that value diminishes when you have 10 relievers better than that guy and/or 10 other guys who are of similar skill and value. Any of those MRs are pretty easily replaceable by the others, another ml MR next year (are Ramirez/Olmos/Shepherd/Jerez any different from those on the 40 man?), or in FA this winter.
If the Sox had 39 men on the 40 man roster right now there's a real chance Brentz would be added. Since they don't have that space, he hasn't been added, hence it is one of the reasons he's not there.There may be reasons not to add Brentz to the 40 man, but not being able to find him a spot on it because "who would you take off?" is not one of them.
Like I said -- who would I agree with your analysis or soxprospects? Not even close.
I'd have thought that the eighth inning of an 11-1 ballgame would count here. I thought the whole point of September call-ups is to give them a few stray innings here and there to rest the regulars?Lin and Swihart were specifically mentioned in the "only if we're way ahead would we look to get them into a game"
Agreed. I was surprised not to see Swihart catching the last inning or two. If for nothing else, just to give Vazquez a little rest.
Noo- not the talent of the player. But Where did I address “talent?” On this thread alone – there have been 3 other times there has been implication I’ve said something but didn’t. Another thread someone did the same thing.So do you honestly believe any sample size of at bats represents the true talent of a player? I believe it measures the true performance over that period, but the actual talent requires hundreds of at-bats to stabilize, depending on the stat. It takes around 900 at bats for batting average to stabilize, for example. Chris Young has 94 this year against Lefties. Do you think his year to year split stats are because he varies wildly in talent level from season to season, or because he has a talent level that has most likely increased and declined following an aging curve like every other baseball player ever, and the sample sizes for each season has been small enough that the results are closer to random than predictive?
I think we can both agree both of us don't value the other person's opinion much. I agree you know more than I for that I would have normally valued your opinion to an extent. IMO I'm sure you can be a great source of wealth of information. But IMO you get caught up in "the argument" too much. There was one post in which you might have implied (others did) that I wanted to cut CY THIS YEAR. Though you weren't clear-- so maybe you didn't.You do know the guys at soxprospects are just message board posters like all of us, right? I'm probably more informed than them when it comes to players in Portland because I get to see more games. Hell, 90% of the SP guys are on this forum too. They aren't some infallible source of prospect news and they get shit wrong all the time. They'll even tell you that themselves. Tell me what the SP guys said about Garin Cecchini, Will Middlebrooks, Allen Webster, Anthony Ranaudo, etc.
Edit: Not to mention the SP guys have differing opinions of prospects among themselves. I can find some pretty glowing reviews on Ben Taylor on the SP forums with little effort.
Easy. Just put me on ignore as I will do to you.Please make it stop