Shohei Ohtani’s attorneys accuse interpreter of ‘massive theft’ tied to alleged gambling

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It might be going too far at this stage with what little we know, but they could just put Ohtani on the restricted list. It’s not a suspension, he still gets paid, and it shows MLB is taking this seriously without doing anything extreme (suspension, ban, whatever).
 

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View: https://twitter.com/PatMcAfeeShow/status/1770852743386726869?

"When they were in the dugout yesterday Shohei Ohtani knew that there was gambling involved with Ippei Mizuhara.. At some point yesterday the story changed and the statement was then that it was a theft.. What happened during that time we don't know yet" ~
Passan was on Pat McAfee Show.. And its starting to look like the coverup is going to make things a shit load worse than it needed to be
 

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Ok, but if that's your worst case scenario an NBA ref was actually proven to be fixing games for mafia types a few years ago and that sport chugged on. Heck, there were even allegations coming out of that whole thing that the league was pressuring refs to try to stretch out playoff series or favor teams. I don't even think any of it made a dent to the league. In fact, that league has done marvelously well on the financial front since that scandal. They're rolling in money.
I think a big difference now is the prevalence/partnership of *legal* gambling. It seems exponentially more difficult to chalk it up to a one-off when 3/4 of the people on both benches have gambling apps on their phones.
 

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I will feel bad for baseball if this turns into a catastrophe with Ohtani. He's the most talented baseball player in the world and he should be playing in front of enormous audiences all the time.

But I won't feel bad for the Dodgers. I also didn't feel bad for them today when Yamamoto got shelled.
 

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Personally, I think the whole Dodgers team should be suspended for the year.

Jokes aside, I am going to assume MLB does everything within its power - legally and not - to absolve Ohtani of any wrong doing. MLB has far too much to lose with punishing him and won't do anything that would cause him to miss time. IMO.
Brady during Deflategate was arguably the face of the NFL and he got a 4 game suspension for "being generally aware that the footballs were tampered with."
 

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Brady during Deflategate was arguably the face of the NFL and he got a 4 game suspension for "being generally aware that the footballs were tampered with."
We need to come up with a name for this happening on SoSH a la Godwin's Law. The Dorito Dink Decree?
 

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I will feel bad for baseball if this turns into a catastrophe with Ohtani. He's the most talented baseball player in the world and he should be playing in front of enormous audiences all the time.

But I won't feel bad for the Dodgers. I also didn't feel bad for them today when Yamamoto got shelled.
I sure won’t. I will feel bad for the fans but not for baseball. I won’t feel bad for baseball or any other sport. They got exactly what they wanted. They made their beds. Time to lay in it. What did they think would happen? Now that it’s legal… leagues just pushing it in everyone’s faces with no shame. It used to be so taboo. Couldn't/wouldnt talk about it. Now it’s everywhere out in the open. I fear this maybe just scratching the surface. It’s too bad it happened to a superstar but sorry for baseball? Yeah, no.

I mean is anybody truly shocked?
 

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Yeah, I think you also can kind of make some veiled claims that necessarily puts everyone on your side -- that for a person from Japan who is not fully immersed in the law or the language, it's hard to really appreciate some of the distinctions that maybe are obvious to others. Gambling is ubiquitous and advertised, and is a sponsor. Now I understand the difference between legal and illegal gambling, but that's not an obvious distinction to everyone.

You can't say this explicitly, but between the lines leveraging the hypocrisy can be helpful I think.
"Not an obvious distinction to everyone" But don't you kinda have to be looking for someone when you're unable to open an account via Draft Kings and the likes due to the fact that sports gambling isn't legal in CA? The translator likely speaks English well enough to understand this regardless as to who the bets were being made for. If he was making them on Ohtani's behalf, it seems like his "best friend" would at least make him aware of who he was dealing with providing he wasn't already aware. As for the actual crime, I'm curious how much consideration, if any, is given to intent. My totally uneducated guess here is that Otahni at the very least had knowledge of what was going on. His name is attached to this and that is problematic. In an effort to save face (Ohtani's) the translator takes the rap in an attempt to minimize the damage, is likely compensated for it and cuts a deal to reduce his own penalties.
 

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Not knowing the law/rules is not an excuse for me, regardless of being foreign and non-English speaking. If he financially funded $4.5 million of illegal activity before or after (or during) there's a problem here. I really hope for the (and all) sports it turns out it really was a case of the guy using his bank account info nefariously.
 

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I sure won’t. I will feel bad for the fans but not for baseball. I won’t feel bad for baseball or any other sport. They got exactly what they wanted. They made their beds. Time to lay in it. What did they think would happen? Now that it’s legal… leagues just pushing it in everyone’s faces with no shame. It used to be so taboo. Couldn't/wouldnt talk about it. Now it’s everywhere out in the open. I fear this maybe just scratching the surface. It’s too bad it happened to a superstar but sorry for baseball? Yeah, no.

I mean is anybody truly shocked?
This is exactly my position, other than I want the Dodgers to win now without Ohtani and I don't feel bad it happened to a superstar, the opposite.
 

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Yeah, I tried to imply that above. It is hard to get too worked up about the fact that you did something that was permitted through DraftKings, but you just did it a different way. I guess the concern is that draft kings is very heavily regulated while illegal bookmakers are more prone to corruption.
You also need to pay for your bets up front in legal operations, no credit. I think it’s a fine distinction for them to make, despite the overall incongruity of betting policies and league partnerships.
 

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I can't believe people think this is potentially no big deal. It's arguably the worst thing possible for the integrity of the sport (short of having it revealed that all of the umpires conspire to rig the games or something). This isn't professional wrestling. The entire reason people feel heartbroken when the ball rolls through Buckner's legs is because their first thought isn't "I'll bet Buckner had money on the Mets." Or, to make it more analogous, "I'll bet Buckner owed a bookie." It's gross how much professional sports has decided to cozy up to legal gambling, but they need to show up on this from an enforcement standpoint or the league will suffer.
It’s utterly ridiculous for people to say this is no big deal.

This isn’t a case of someone making a few legal bets on sports outside of baseball. (Which is, in fact, no big deal.) This is Ohtani wiring $4.5 million to a bookie who is under federal investigation.

The best case scenario here is that Ohtani’s representative is telling the truth and the interpreter was somehow able to access Ohtani’s accounts and illegally transfer the money.* But even in that case, it’s deeply concerning because it shows how close this particular bookie was able to get to Ohtani and how he could have used that fact to (attempt to) compromise Ohtani. And, again, that’s if you believe the current story.

There is no way that MLB can sweep this under the rug even if they wanted to. They’d be utterly foolish to try.

* I don’t believe the story they are peddling for even a minute. Honestly, the original story - that he was helping a friend cover his bets - is unquestionably a better look for him, even if his legal exposure is greater.
 

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* I don’t believe the story they are peddling for even a minute. Honestly, the original story - that he was helping a friend cover his bets - is unquestionably a better look for him, even if his legal exposure is greater.
It was an infinitely better story, and mind boggling that they backtracked on it, unless they realized there was a fatal flaw with it that was going to get them big-time busted.

I'm calling the next play - Ohtani's PR guy(s) will be fired at some point for "misrepresenting Ohtani, and making false/misleading statements on his behalf". But not until they figure out what story they want to stick with.

"I authorized my financial guy to make a payment of $4.5M because I wanted to help my friend out of a bad financial situation. I didn't know it was going to a criminal. I made a mistake, and did not do my due diligence." sounds a lot better than "Yeah, I gave him that money... uh, no... wait... HE ACTUALLY STOLE IT!"
 

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Rereading the ESPN article. . .this does seem bad. To reorder some sentences (and a couple of clauses) to make this more chronological:

Payments (Based on Mizuhara's first interview with ESPN):

Mizuhara told ESPN he met Bowyer at a San Diego poker game in 2021 and started betting with him on credit later that year. Mizuhara estimated his losses mounted to more than $1 million by the end of 2022 and ballooned from there. Sources close to the gambling operation told ESPN that Bowyer dealt directly with Mizuhara, who placed bets on international soccer matches and other sports -- but not baseball -- starting in 2021.​
Mizuhara told ESPN that [in 2023] he asked Ohtani to pay off his gambling debt, which multiple sources said had ballooned to at least $4.5 million. After Ohtani agreed to pay the debts, [in 2023] Ohtani logged onto his own computer and sent the wire transfers under Mizuhara's supervision in installments over several months. They added "loan" to the description field in the transactions. "We had to add a description for the wire," Mizuhara said. "I think Matt [Bowyer] might have told me to just put 'loan.' You had to put something."​
Wire-transfer payments were sent from Ohtani's account to an associate of Bowyer's, according to multiple sources and bank data reviewed by ESPN. ESPN reviewed bank information showing Ohtani's name on two $500,000 payments sent in September and October [2023].
A source said Bowyer was aware of the name on the wire transfers but chose not to ask any questions as long as payments came in; however, the source said Bowyer allowed people to believe Ohtani was a client in order to boost business. Bowyer's attorney, Diane Bass, told ESPN: "Mr. Bowyer never met or spoke with Shohei Ohtani." She declined to answer any other questions.​
Investigations:
Multiple sources told ESPN that Bowyer's operation is being investigated by [a] U.S. attorney's office. Bowyer's. . .home was raided by federal authorities in October [2023], according to multiple sources and documents reviewed by ESPN. In January [2024] Federal authorities learned of Ohtani's wire payments as part of their investigation into Bowyer's bookmaking operation, a source told ESPN.​
Recent ESPN statements:

Initially, a spokesman for Ohtani told ESPN the slugger had transferred the funds to cover Mizuhara's gambling debt. The spokesman presented Mizuhara to ESPN for a 90-minute interview Tuesday night [March 19, 2024], during which Mizuhara laid out his account in great detail.​
Mizuhara said on Tuesday [March 19, 2024]: After Ohtani agreed to pay the debts, Ohtani logged onto his own computer and sent the wire transfers under Mizuhara's supervision in installments over several months last year. They added "loan" to the description field in the transactions. "We had to add a description for the wire," Mizuhara said. "I think Matt [Bowyer] might have told me to just put 'loan.' You had to put something."​
Asked why Ohtani didn't simply give him the money instead of paying Bowyer's associate directly, Mizuhara said Ohtani didn't trust him with the money. "He didn't want me to gamble it away," Mizuhara said. Mizuhara said he told Ohtani he would pay him back.​
Changed Story:
When an ESPN reporter asked Ohtani's camp about the allegation from Mizuhara that Ohtani was present, helped move the funds and was going to be paid back, the spokesman contacted Ohtani's attorneys, who then issued a statement:​
"In the course of responding to recent media inquiries, we discovered that Shohei has been the victim of a massive theft, and we are turning the matter over to the authorities,"​
The spokesman declined to answer any further questions, and the statement did not specify whom they believe perpetrated the alleged theft.​
On Wednesday [March 20, 2024] afternoon, Mizuhara walked back much of what he had said late Tuesday, stating that Ohtani had no knowledge of his gambling activities, debts or efforts to repay them. "Obviously, this is all my fault, everything I've done," he said. "I'm ready to face all the consequences." Mizuhara said he did not have legal representation but was "working on it."​
So what I'm seeing here is this.

1) ESPN investigated a story that potentially involved Ohtani/his interpreter in gambling, including viewing bank transfer statements from Ohtani's account, with Ohtani's name on them, and the word "loan," for $1 million to an illegal bookie's associate.

Where ESPN got this info (i.e., who tipped them off to the story) is an open, unanswerable, but interesting question. Possibly someone involved in the Bowyer investigation. Maybe the associate to whom the funds were sent? Mabye the feds? Who else would have those things?

But Bowyer had let some people assume Ohtani was a client of his. And somebody told ESPN the feds had the same wire transfer information - a million dollar "loan" to a bookie from a superstar athlete. So how that does not put Ohtani in the crosshairs? I mean, I'm sure there's just not going to be a "well, that's weird, shrug and move on" response from the investigation.

2) ESPN prepared the story, and probably reached out to Ohtani's camp for comment. (Reasonable given the detail, and the fact Ohtani's camp agreed to come in at all.) And here's where it gets weird. "A spokesman for Ohtani" tells ESPN that Ohtani had payed this gambling debt for his friend. So that's Ohtani's agent (in the legal sense, whomever they are) speaking for Ohtani. Which means Ohtani knew. Ohtani's agent then produces Mizuhara for an interview. Mizuhara lays it all out, including corroborating details like why the transfers for $1M says, "loan."

3) And then this is weird. ESPN then reaches out to Ohtani's camp again (why ?), within, I'm guessing 12 hours of Mizuhara's interview. Specific questions are asked about what Ohtani knew, what he did, and whether he was going to be paid back by Mizuhara (or possibly the bookie?). Then Ohtani's camp folds in his attorneys. The attorneys issue a statement, and then Mizuhara completely recants his story. Mizuhara is not represented by these attorneys, but he's told not to talk. The Dodgers immediately fire Mizuhara, which means they entered the loop at some point and acted quickly, or were ready to go earlier.

So here's the thing. I cannot imagine that if the Dodgers knew, or Ohtani's attorneys knew, the full facts of this they'd encourage Mizuhara going off the leash with ESPN for a free-for-all 90 minute interview. (That impression is corroborated by them immediately taking a different course once they're (presumably) looped in.)

So who exactly produced Mizuhara to ESPN on behalf of Ohtani? Someone on Team Ohtani (whatever that is.) Now it's possible ESPN kind of sucker-punched here by omitting some of what they had, but those transfers were discussed during the interview. And perhaps those transfers, paired to Ohtani's agency in sending them, create some kind of liability for him. But that's so obvious any attorney would vet that liability before agreeing to produce anyone for any interview. To say nothing of getting the interviewee's story ahead of time.

To guess, someone (not an attorney) in Team Ohtani thought ESPN might do a story connecting Ohtani to illegal gambling (or gambling in general) and they tried to head that off by serving up Mizuhara to either give a truthful explanation or to cover for Ohtani. Then when the attorneys were looped in and made aware of what ESPN had, and what Mizuhara said, they decided within 12 hours to make Mizuhara a complete sacrificial lamb.

And that's where things begin to get very very dicey. I say that because whatever the outer orbit of liability was (established by Mizuhara's first interview), they could have just eaten that. (And as a PR matter, that's what they clearly intended to do in the first place.) But something caused them to think it was better to put out a passive voice statement about theft, fire Mizuhara, and have him take the entire burden. Which means instructing him to lie. To me, that suggests something beyond recalibrating PR. It suggests they put their foot in something. Something very squishy. (Whether or not whatever that is was actually reported in the article.)

It's almost a certainty when the attorneys were informed of this whole thing, they asked followup questions about adjacent issues. (You'd be stupid not to.) And so there's a non-zero chance they learned that ESPN does not know everything. Hence the reaction.
 
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As a PS, I'm now wondering if Ohtani paid the $4.5M already, but ESPN only had the two transfers, or if part of the problem here is the original story essentially meant that Ohtani had promised to pay an illegal bookie money and was still actively doing so?
 

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3) And then this is weird. ESPN then reaches out to Ohtani's camp again (why ?), within, I'm guessing 12 hours of Mizuhara's interview. Specific questions are asked about what Ohtani knew, what he did, and whether he was going to be paid back by Mizuhara (or possibly the bookie?). Then Ohtani's camp folds in his attorneys. The attorneys issue a statement, and then Mizuhara completely recants his story. Mizuhara is not represented by these attorneys, but he's told not to talk. The Dodgers immediately fire Mizuhara, which means they entered the loop at some point and acted quickly, or were ready to go earlier.

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And that's where things begin to get very very dicey. I say that because whatever the outer orbit of liability was (established by Mizuhara's first interview), they could have just eaten that. (And as a PR matter, that's what they clearly intended to do in the first place.) But something caused them to think it was better to put out a passive voice statement about theft, fire Mizuhara, and have him take the entire burden. Which means instructing him to lie. To me, that suggests something beyond recalibrating PR. It suggests they put their foot in something. Something very squishy. (Whether or not whatever that is was actually reported in the article.)
To me this suggests that ESPN has other things they couldn't prove (to their lawyers' liking) that the interview with Mizuhara either corroborated or he unknowingly revealed some things that ESPN then wanted either confirmation or a denial (which in a way is confirmation) from Ohtani's camp.
 

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From today's ESPN updates. . .Passan said in an interview that $4.5M left Ohtani's account(s). Also this from Thompson:

After Wednesday's season-opening game in South Korea, Dodgers officials called a clubhouse meeting and told players a negative story was coming later in the day, a team official said, and Mizuhara apologized, saying he had a gambling addiction. It was then, the official said, that Ohtani understood for the first time what was happening and began asking questions.​
 

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I just noticed that Mizuhara previously worked for the Sox, as Okajima's interpreter (2007-2011).
 

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For anyone who might be in the know, wouldn't there be some sort of red flag/reporting requirement in place for wired funds by finacial institutions over a certain amount?
The bank should also have a callback procedure before wiring that amount of money.
 

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i drafted ohtani on my 1st fantsry team in the 3rd round means i cant cut him i think

on a side note claim E Diaz mets CR as a FA on my 2nd team
 

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Perhaps it was reported and the feds OKed it to build their case?
This may go to the point of fraud. I also wanted to point out that callback procedures make Ohtani’s second version of the story less likely. It is very difficult to wire millions of dollars out of someone else’s account. Just having their password isn’t enough.
 

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Before last nights game, Cavaliers coach JB Bickerstaff was talking about how he had received threats last season from gamblers. Beyond just the issue of protecting the integrity of the sport, player/coach safety is becoming just as much of a concern.
 

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One alternate possibility that I have been thinking about is if Mizuhara inflated his gambling losses to Ohtani induce a larger payment and that is the ”theft” alleged (under coercion or simple greed).

I just can’t see any scenario where Mizuhara is into the bookie for 4.5 million without Ohtani’s involvement.
 

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The Feds were getting to close to the bookie so he spilled the beans on Ohtani. Bookie wants the rest of his money....says "If you don't pay up I'll talk".
 

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One alternate possibility that I have been thinking about is if Mizuhara inflated his gambling losses to Ohtani induce a larger payment and that is the ”theft” alleged (under coercion or simple greed).

I just can’t see any scenario where Mizuhara is into the bookie for 4.5 million without Ohtani’s involvement.
How does that square with transfers directly from Ohtani to the bookie? So he says "help me out I owe this bookie big" then Ohtani sends some of the money to the bookie and just gives him the rest? why?
 

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How does that square with transfers directly from Ohtani to the bookie? So he says "help me out I owe this bookie big" then Ohtani sends some of the money to the bookie and just gives him the rest? why?
No - Ohtani sends the full 4.5 million and the overage is split between the bad actors.

I’ve represented people in a prior life who did this (inflated/made up invoices) and split the “profit” - it obviously didn’t work out for them. It’s a pretty common scheme for defrauding corporations using an inside person and outside vendor/contractor.
 

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No - Ohtani sends the full 4.5 million and the overage is split between the bad actors.

I’ve represented people in a prior life who did this (inflated/made up invoices) and split the “profit” - it obviously didn’t work out for them. It’s a pretty common scheme for defrauding corporations using an inside person and outside vendor/contractor.
It is a pretty common scheme. I'm not sure how it fits with any of their narratives though - when would Ohtani have learned of this gambling-debt inflation and how? They're claiming he first understood at the post-game clubhouse meeting yesterday. (And it's not like this is a legitimate debt or anything.)
 

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It is a pretty common scheme. I'm not sure how it fits with any of their narratives though - when would Ohtani have learned of this gambling-debt inflation and how? They're claiming he first understood at the post-game clubhouse meeting yesterday. (And it's not like this is a legitimate debt or anything.)
I agree there are challenges to this type of explanation and I won't go all fan fiction here as to how it could have happened - but the latest and greatest from Ohtani's camp through "sources" is that:

"On Thursday, a source close to Ohtani gave an explanation for the changing storylines: As Ohtani's handlers tried to determine what had happened, they initially relied solely on Mizuhara, who continued to translate for Ohtani."

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/39780093/sources-reps-dodgers-shohei-ohtani-ask-investigate-theft

I supposed all these people surrounding a 750 million dollar player could all be the biggest morons in the world but I'm skeptical.
 

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"On Thursday, a source close to Ohtani gave an explanation for the changing storylines: As Ohtani's handlers tried to determine what had happened, they initially relied solely on Mizuhara, who continued to translate for Ohtani."
Snort.

I mean, I can see a few ways it's possible also, but they all assume facts that draw a more direct line. Like if Mizuhara had access to the accounts.

But that seems not to be the case for several reasons, and if he didn't, that would mean Ohtani is an absolute idiot as well, no matter what the communication through Mizuhara would have been to other parties. Because at some point Ohtani wired millions to a bookie's associate - and what did he think he was doing: "Send millions for my totally legitimate gambling debt to this random account of a specific individual in New Jersey. . .(even though I only owe $500K)."

Also, it does not explain who the spokesman for Ohtani was who greenlit the ESPN interview and then "produced" Mizuhara.

I'll be very curious to see what comes out.
 

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I'll be honest, it seems to me that Ohtani is either incredibly naive (which isn't too crazy considering a language gap and that he's a pro athlete), or he's very much involved in what his translator is doing.
 

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I'll be honest, it seems to me that Ohtani is either incredibly naive (which isn't too crazy considering a language gap and that he's a pro athlete), or he's very much involved in what his translator is doing.
Aren't these basically the 2 main options?

Ohtani definitely knew what was going on (to some degree at least), though its certainly possible (perhaps likely) he didn't fully grasp the potential consequences of his actions.
 

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I'm also wondering what activity other than gambling leads to debts of $4.5 million that can't be obviously seen like a mansion, yacht, umm, F-35?

You don't rack up 4.5 million in credit card debt. There are also very few debts that can be paid off with a wire transfer to an individual. Yes, a "loan" I suppose -- but one would think that Shohei would have seen what a 4.5 million loan had allowed Mizuhara to buy.

Of course Shohei knew it was gambling, and of course he knew who Mizuhara was gambling through -- you don't send a $4.5 million transfer to an unknown.
 

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I agree there are challenges to this type of explanation and I won't go all fan fiction here as to how it could have happened - but the latest and greatest from Ohtani's camp through "sources" is that:

"On Thursday, a source close to Ohtani gave an explanation for the changing storylines: As Ohtani's handlers tried to determine what had happened, they initially relied solely on Mizuhara, who continued to translate for Ohtani."

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/39780093/sources-reps-dodgers-shohei-ohtani-ask-investigate-theft

I supposed all these people surrounding a 750 million dollar player could all be the biggest morons in the world but I'm skeptical.

Reminds me of the old joke where the mobsters are shaking down a deaf guy to reveal where he hid the money and his sign language translator doesn't reveal the location when it is given to him, but instead says to the mobsters, "He says you can f*ck off"
 

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Oh c'mon. The league should bury this unless Ohtani was throwing games.

Look, the league decided it wants to build a lucrative advertising relationship with all these gambling entities. It's big money. And so is Shohei. And beyond all that, I don't know why anyone should care about decisions made by people running the sport years ago. They're dead and gone.
I can’t tell if this is a joke.

It doesn’t matter if Ohtani was betting on baseball or not. He was using an illegal bookie, which makes him subject to blackmail no matter how much money he has.

Also, the NBA comparisons are stupid. Baseball has had literal warning signs in every clubhouse for over 100 years.
 

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i think ohtani needs a year off
A if this is ture he will be pete rose
B every doger game with him in it in 2024 will talk about this
 

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I can’t tell if this is a joke.

It doesn’t matter if Ohtani was betting on baseball or not. He was using an illegal bookie, which makes him subject to blackmail no matter how much money he has.

Also, the NBA comparisons are stupid. Baseball has had literal warning signs in every clubhouse for over 100 years.
That is actually an immediate 1 year suspension per MLB rules. I think it is clear MLB knows exactly what is going on and is working with Ohtani to try and get out in front and soften the blow but was handled like a group of amateurs and have now made this not only into a gambling story but also a coverup after the gambling took place.