Sons of Peter McNeeley- Boxing Thread

[Gene Conleys Plane Ticket]

We all knew this day was coming. The Ricky Hatton ExcuseFest 2009 has begun.

His dad says he should've pulled out of the fight, but soldiered on because he didn't want to hurt his fans. Whatever.
Link

EDIT:
P.S. According to this article by Dan Rafael, the final PPV tally for Pacquiao-Hatton is around 850K buys. Arum is refusing to release the official numbers, I assume because he doesn't want to admit that Mayweather-Hatton drew slightly better numbers (915K).

Yes, those are excellent PPV numbers. I can only think the Mayweather factor is Arum's reason for wanting to keep a lid on the figures. It gives Amyweather the upper hand in negotiations, since he did better in the PPV #s against Hatton. And if his fight with Marquez tops Pacquiao's PPV number for his Marquez rematch, which it probably will, then Mayweather definitely commands a bigger slice of the Pac-Mayweather PPV pie. And that would gall Arum no end. In fact, it would probably put the kibosh on the fight.

Of course, unless the fight happens this year, it may never happen anyway. From this news item, it sounds liek Pacquiao is serious about retiring to make another go at politics after just one more fight.

 

[letsgosox]

there's no way Manny's retiring after one more fight. He can do so much more for his country by fighting than getting into the political game.
Also, I don't think Marquez/Floyd gets anywhere near the number Manny/Hatton reached. Summer ppv's usually don't do that great. And most people, including the casual fan now realize that eventhough Floyd is great he's not in the most scintilating of fights. My predicition is that Floyd/JMM gett 650,000 buys.

 

[chester]

Just heard about pro boxing debut of Guillermo Rigondiaux.

http://www.thefightnetwork.com/news/boxing...headline_may_22

Im no expert but it sounds like he should be fun to watch. On espn May 22 friday night fights

 

[BGrif21125]

QUOTE (letsgosox @ May 15 2009, 09:12 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2293999
there's no way Manny's retiring after one more fight.

Absolutely. Every great fighter... and I mean, EVERY great fighter, says they're going to retire when they're still young and on top, and none of them do. There's a better chance that David Ortiz hits 40+ HR this year than there is of Manny retiring after one more fight.

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Also, I don't think Marquez/Floyd gets anywhere near the number Manny/Hatton reached. Summer ppv's usually don't do that great. And most people, including the casual fan now realize that eventhough Floyd is great he's not in the most scintilating of fights. My predicition is that Floyd/JMM gett 650,000 buys.

Yes, there's a good chance Floyd-Marquez does worse than Pac-Hatton. However, all Floyd cares about is doing more buys than either of the Pac-Marquez fights (which were in the 400K range, IIRC). Floyd-Hatton did slightly better than Pac-Hatton, so if Floyd-Marquez does better than Pac-Marquez, then Floyd can demand at least a 50/50 split in any Floyd-Pac negotiations.

 

[ElUno20]

I'm officially the biggest Joshua Clottey fan in the world. Just reported on FNF that Arum are trying to put together Manny/Cotto for October if Cotto beats Clottey.

Why arent they taking the winner of Money May/Marquez? They just want guys who came straight at Manny. No slick stuff.

 

[chester]

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Why arent they taking the winner of Money May/Marquez?


probably just talk...how could they not take the payday if it is Mayweather

 

[Gene Conleys Plane Ticket]

QUOTE (ElUno20 @ May 15 2009, 10:28 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2294279
I'm officially the biggest Joshua Clottey fan in the world. Just reported on FNF that Arum are trying to put together Manny/Cotto for October if Cotto beats Clottey.

Why arent they taking the winner of Money May/Marquez? They just want guys who came straight at Manny. No slick stuff.


I think in his heart of hearts, Arum would like nothing more than to shut Mayweather out. The two have a long-running feud. But in the end, I think the money will simply be too great for the fight not to happen.

Rather dull fight last night on Showtime. Andre Ward easily decisioned the once-hyped, now has-been Edison Miranda. Ward, who's the last American to win an Olympic gold in boxing, has been dicking around fighting nobodies for four years. This was his first step-up fight. I'm not sure why it's taken him so long. In the talent-rich super-middleweight division, he's got to be one of top two or three in terms of pure talent. Hopefully his next fight will be against an even better opponent. I'd loveto see Ward and Andre Dirrell fight each other. It seems inevitable.

 

[allaboutthesox]

QUOTE (ElUno20 @ May 15 2009, 09:28 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2294279
I'm officially the biggest Joshua Clottey fan in the world. Just reported on FNF that Arum are trying to put together Manny/Cotto for October if Cotto beats Clottey.

Why arent they taking the winner of Money May/Marquez? They just want guys who came straight at Manny. No slick stuff.


First of all, you are the fan of the wrong boxer now, officially. :lol:

I am pretty sure I read somewhere that when Arum approached PBF awhile ago about a fight with Manny, that Floyd wanted more money than Pacquiao. Which, in turn, may have only made the relationship between Arum and Floyd even worse.

Another reason, I am speculating here, is that Arum is trying to squeeze every dime out of Cotto before his [Cotto's] departure from Arum. I think Cotto was pretty upset about how Arum was trying to justify what Margarito got caught for before the Mosely fight. Rather than taking a "wait and see" approach, Arum became a defender of Margarito and even proposed another Cotto vs Margarito fight after the Mosley fight.

In the end though, I think it is something being put out there as a shot to Floyd. Basically telling him, "Hey, if you win. Don't bother trying to hold out for a bigger cut as we have others that will fight". When one considers that Pacquiao is now talking about possibly retiring in October, it may be Arum's attempt to get a fight made quickly with Floyd for the maximum amount of money.

 

[ElUno20]

QUOTE (allaboutthesox @ May 17 2009, 01:06 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2297117
First of all, you are the fan of the wrong boxer now, officially. :lol:



Obviously there was some hyperbole but I've seen him fight about 5 or 6 times and I am a big believer in him. If he makes it an inside fight, Cotto is toast. He's the best combination puncher at 147 and unless Cotto gets away with a barrage of low blows (ala vs. Judag) he will lose that fight. Write it down. I will be here June 13 after the fight is done to quote myself.

 

[allaboutthesox]

QUOTE (ElUno20 @ May 17 2009, 10:23 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2299536
Obviously there was some hyperbole but I've seen him fight about 5 or 6 times and I am a big believer in him. If he makes it an inside fight, Cotto is toast. He's the best combination puncher at 147 and unless Cotto gets away with a barrage of low blows (ala vs. Judag) he will lose that fight. Write it down. I will be here June 13 after the fight is done to quote myself.


Good to see you are willing to quote yourself if your boxer should lose. :rolling:

The idea that Cotto's success comes from low blows is not even rational in my opinion. Cotto is a very good and dangerous boxer and has made his name with his body shots. Especially the ones coming from his left hand. I am not saying that Clottey is not a good fighter, but I do think Cotto will perform better than most are giving him credit for and will beat Clottey. Albeit, it may go to the score cards. I will admit one thing though, I will be watching to see how Cotto absorbs some of Clottey's power punches. We all will know relatively soon how this fight will go within the first 4 rounds.

However, we shall see how it all turns out as June 13, 2009 is not that far away.

 

[letsgosox]

I think Clottey is a real solid fighter and would have a chance against Cotto if this fight was taking place in any other city besides NYC, and the day before the Puerto Rican day parade. I just don't see him getting the decision and he's not really known for knock outs. I think he would have to decisively win 9 or 10 rounds to get the decision.

 

[Gene Conleys Plane Ticket]

The Mayweather-Marquez fight just became a little less interesting. The two sides have now agreed to fight as full-fledged welterweights -- 147 pounds -- rather than at the previously agreed catch weight of 144.

Floyd fought Ricky Hatton at 147. Hatton was coming up from 140. Now Marquez will be coming up from 135, a weight at which he has fought exactly one fight, since coming up from 130. And Marquez had a struggle with Juan Diaz at 135 before finding a way to put Diaz away.

It seems clear that for Floyd, this fight is about nothing but setting up the Pacquiao fight, and for Marquez, it's about going out as a warrior. He'll get beat, but he'll make a fight of it and I think he's figuring that's what the Mexican fan base cares about most. For JMM, I think this fight isn't about wining as much as it is about becoming the huge star in Mexico that he's always wanted to be. And let's not forget that Mexican-Americans make up the most loyal segment of the boxing PPV audience, guaranteeing JMM a couple more big paydats before he retires.

 

[BGrif21125]

Fwiw, Rafael is claiming that the fight is still going to be at 144 pounds, not 147. Although I have to say, I don't think the weight is a big deal either way. Unlike just about every other fighter, Floyd walks around at about the same weight that he fights at. He doesn't have to drain himself at all to make weight, and he doesn't put on any weight in between the weigh-in and fight night. So I don't think he'll struggle at all to make 144, whereas guys like Mosley or Cotto would.

 

[ElUno20]

QUOTE (allaboutthesox @ May 18 2009, 08:36 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2300898
The idea that Cotto's success comes from low blows is not even rational in my opinion.


My bad. I read my post again and it did seem like I attributed all of Cotto's success to low blows. I specifically meant his fight with Judah when Zab had him on queer street and about to finish him off early in that fight before a blatant low blow.



If any of you have not seen Floyd's interview with his arch nemesis Brian Kenny today on sportscenter, it's a must see.

"You are a man of many traits but master of nothing"

 

[Gene Conleys Plane Ticket]

QUOTE (BGrif21125 @ May 20 2009, 09:26 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2305253
Fwiw, Rafael is claiming that the fight is still going to be at 144 pounds, not 147. Although I have to say, I don't think the weight is a big deal either way. Unlike just about every other fighter, Floyd walks around at about the same weight that he fights at. He doesn't have to drain himself at all to make weight, and he doesn't put on any weight in between the weigh-in and fight night. So I don't think he'll struggle at all to make 144, whereas guys like Mosley or Cotto would.



And in a related story, Miguel Cotto is now saying he won't come down any lower than 145 to fight Pacquiao, while Pacquiao doesn't want to go any higher than 142. Bob Arum must not like the sound of that.

 

[allaboutthesox]

QUOTE (Gene Conleys Plane Ticket @ May 21 2009, 09:13 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2305981
And in a related story, Miguel Cotto is now saying he won't come down any lower than 145 to fight Pacquiao, while Pacquiao doesn't want to go any higher than 142. Bob Arum must not like the sound of that.


This is a smart move by Cotto to state well in advance on how far down he would come to fight Pacquiao. I think fighting at 145+ lbs would favor Cotto, but less than that the advantage would definitely go to Pacquiao. I am sure Freddy Roach is well aware of that as well.

Thanks for the link.

 

[ElUno20]

I don't think Cotto should go below 145. He was way too drained in his last few fights at 140.

 

[chester]

QUOTE (chester @ May 15 2009, 09:11 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2294198
Just heard about pro boxing debut of Guillermo Rigondiaux.

http://www.thefightnetwork.com/news/boxing...headline_may_22

Im no expert but it sounds like he should be fun to watch. On espn May 22 friday night fights


I was impressed by Rigondiaux but not overly impressed (even though I think his opponent only landed 2 punches in 3 rounds). But I think that had something to do with his opponent being weak and it being his first pro fight. I don't know if he was giving it his all the whole fight because he knew his opponent was so weak but I was impressed by his speed and his punching ability when he turned it on.

He had his hands down a lot and it didn't hurt him but Ill be interested to see how he approaches a better opponent.


I was also impressed by his old Cuban teammate Lara who is a junior middleweight

 

[allaboutthesox]

Here is some more fuel to the fire about Cotto or Mosley potentially fighting in October against Pacquiao. Although Pacquiao's manager dismisses it as "gossip".

Cotto, Mosley vs. Pacquiao?

Nothing really that most of us didn't already know as to the fact that no real choice will be made until after the Mayweather vs Marquez fight.

 

[BGrif21125]

I could be wrong, but I really don't see Pacquiao fighting either Cotto or Mosley. In fact, I think it's more likely that Cotto and Mosley end up fighting each other again.

 

[Gene Conleys Plane Ticket]

This is never good news for a boxer's career. Jermaine Taylor was arrested in Miami last weekend:

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Cops arrested professional boxer and former middleweight champ Jermain Taylor over the holiday weekend in South Beach. Charges: disorderly conduct and resisting officers.

Happened during Urban Beach Week, at 10:45 p.m. Sunday, in the 1400 block of Collins Avenue Taylor, 30, driving a Rolls-Royce, allegedly stopped the car in the road, blocking traffic. When told to move, he climbed back in the Rolls, drove it another 100 feet, then stopped again. He got out and ''began to yell and dance,'' a police report says. A crowd of about 50 gathered.

Officers tried to arrest Taylor for breach of the peace when he resisted and pushed a uniformed cop in the shoulder, the report says.


Kind of surprising. Taylor had never had any trouble with the law as far as I'd ever heard and always presented himself as a good guy/family man type. Makes you wonder if the sudden fall from the top in his career is getting into his head.

In better news, HBO has one of their best recent Boxing After Dark cards tonight. Andre Berto, coming off a life-and-death split decision win over light-punching slickster Luis Collazo now faces a true KO artist in Juan Urango, who holds one of the other welterweight belts right now. This is a real test for Berto who, even though he holds a belt, is really still a rising fighter. Despite his cheaply-won belt, he's only recently graduated from "prospect" to "contender." I think Berto will ultimately outbox Urango, but he's likely to get his chin checked at some point and that will be very interesting.

The co-feature is a classic BAD crossroads fight: Alfredo Angulo vs. Kermit Cintron. Angulo is a Margarito-style, all-pressure, all-the-time fighter who's being touted as the next big Mexican star (something HBO badly needs for its PPV business). Cintron was huge puncher at 147, but in his 154-pound debut against Sergio Martinez he got outslicked and never was able to land the big one. Angulo will definitely be there to be hit and as far as I know (having seen maybe a half-dozen of his fights), Angulo has never had a "chin-check" moment. Of course, Cintron's only two losses came against Margarito, the fight Angulo most resembles in style.

A loss for Cintron knocks him down to "gatekeeper" status. A win over Angulo puts him right back in the title picture at 154. A win for Angulo probably earns him a title shot by the end of the year. A loss, while it wouldn't quite derail his career, would be a pretty big setback. He'd probably need at least another two wins over legit top-10 154-pounders to reestablish himself. It would also depend on the type of loss. A narrow decision obviously wouldn't be as bad as a stoppage.

Anyway, this is a damn good card and a nice warmup for Cotto-Clottey in a couple of weeks.

 

[BGrif21125]

QUOTE (Gene Conleys Plane Ticket @ May 30 2009, 11:45 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2323365
Angulo is a Margarito-style, all-pressure, all-the-time fighter who's being touted as the next big Mexican star (something HBO badly needs for its PPV business).

I like Angulo, but I think HBO may be stretching it a bit if they're looking to him to become the next Mexcian star. I see him as being more of a B-level entertaining TV fighter (in the Gatti/Ward vein, or even someone like Juan Diaz) rather than a true star.

If there's someone out there with a shot at filling the Barrera/Morales void, I think it might be someone like Abner Mares, who's been inactive recently because of an injury, but has a ton of potential.

Interesting fight for Berto tonight. I'm not quite sure where I stand on him, but if he steps up and looks impressive, I'd like to see him mentioned as a potential opponent for Cotto or Mosley.

 

[ElUno20]

Cintron fought a great fight. Probably his best as a pro. But really Angulo is so one-dimensional and slow that all he had to do was put some movement in.

Berto looked a bit wild and out of control early but he pretty much shut Urango out. Gonna be interesting to see who they find for him next. They have to be running out of Collazos and Urangos for him to fight but I dont see any big star giving him a shot.


BTW, Urango back was the size of Georgia. How does that guy put a t-shirt on?

 

[BGrif21125]

QUOTE (ElUno20 @ May 31 2009, 10:06 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2324544
BTW, Urango back was the size of Georgia. How does that guy put a t-shirt on?

I have no clue how that guy makes 140 pounds. The first time I saw him a few years ago, I thought he was a super-middleweight.

 

[Gene Conleys Plane Ticket]

QUOTE (BGrif21125 @ May 31 2009, 10:36 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2324559
I have no clue how that guy makes 140 pounds. The first time I saw him a few years ago, I thought he was a super-middleweight.


It also shows you why, as boxing people like to say, "boxing is not a bodybuilding contest." Urango's heavily muscled back and shoulders makes it really hard for him to cut loose with his punches. he's got a lot of power when he lands, but he's so constricted that it takes him forever to get punches off.

Max Kellerman (who I think is getting a lot better lately) kept asking whether Andre Berto was doing anything to "create demand" for a big fight with a Cotto or a Mosely or one of the other big boys at 140-147. I'd have to answer, no, he didn't. It was a nice display of sticking and moving by Berto, and he's got world-class hand speed. He may even be able to narrowly beat Cotto if he sticks to that style, but even if he pulled off that upset, he'd have to stink out the joint to do it. And against Mosely, Berto would have no chance at this stage of his career. (Pacquiao or Mayweather, forget it). I want to see Berto in against, say, Cintron, or another fighter or two on that level, before I'd be excited to watch him in a "big money" fight.

Actually, with Cintron saying he feels he can easily go back to 147, I wouldn't be surprised if a Cintron-Berto matchup was next on the agenda for both fighters. That's a good HBO fight.

 

[BGrif21125]

Haye has pulled out of the Kiltschko fight with a hand injury. Ugh.

That was the first heavyweight fight in a long time that I was genuinely excited to see.

 

[shawnrbu]

I was really looking forward to getting the privilege of watching Wlad put Haye to sleep this month.

Any chance Arreola fills in? That's one of the three or four interesting fights in the division and it's not like Chris needs much time to get himself into "shape."

 

[allaboutthesox]

Not sure if this was mentioned, but on ESPN Brian Kenny stated that Pacquiao's next fight will be Mosley on October 17, 2009. Mosley agreed to a 40/60 split and they are just finalizing the minor details.

Mosley vs Pacquiao


Here is a link with Arum denying it now as well.


Denial

 

[Gene Conleys Plane Ticket]

QUOTE (BGrif21125 @ Jun 3 2009, 03:54 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2330435
Haye has pulled out of the Kiltschko fight with a hand injury. Ugh.

That was the first heavyweight fight in a long time that I was genuinely excited to see.


That is a drag. And it doesn't look very good for Haye, after all of the trash talking he did -- let's face it, he flat-out TALKED his way into this fight -- to then pull out with a "hand injury." I'm not saying he's faking. I'm just saying it looks pretty lame.

I doubt the June 20 date goes forward. The Arreola idea is interesting, but would Arreola's people want to possibly blow his big opportunity by throwing him in against Klitschko on 17 days notice? And would Klitschko want to switch gears against another potentially dangerous opponent -- more dangerous than Haye, being a true heavyweight and a BIG heavyweight -- at the last minute?

 

[ElUno20]

It's really incredible how Manny gets no shit at all for trying to make fighter come down to these ridiculous weights. He fought Oscar at 147 but he can't fight Shane at the same weight?

 

[shawnrbu]

QUOTE (ElUno20 @ Jun 4 2009, 10:12 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2334615
It's really incredible how Manny gets no shit at all for trying to make fighter come down to these ridiculous weights. He fought Oscar at 147 but he can't fight Shane at the same weight?


He fought Oscar at 147 because Roach knew Oscar was 100% washed up based on his experience in training him during 2007. Roach has been pretty open about the fact that he only sent Manny up to 147 because he knew Oscar had nothing and Manny is in no way a welterweight.

 

[Sille Skrub]

QUOTE (ElUno20 @ Jun 4 2009, 11:12 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2334615
It's really incredible how Manny gets no shit at all for trying to make fighter come down to these ridiculous weights. He fought Oscar at 147 but he can't fight Shane at the same weight?

Pac has been moving up in weight his whole career. He has won world titles in approximately 378 different weight classes. He's the last person you want to criticize for not moving up in weight to fight someone.

Everything I've read about the Mosley fight says it isn't a done deal yet, btw.

 

[BGrif21125]

QUOTE (Sille Skrub @ Jun 5 2009, 02:10 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2335368
Everything I've read about the Mosley fight says it isn't a done deal yet, btw

Not only is it not a done deal, but the 2 sides haven't even spoken at all. The reports that came out were 100% internet gossip. I don't think Manny will make a decision until after July 18, fwiw.

On another note, I read that HBO has told Wlad's people that they have no interest in televising his fight if he fights a substitute. They're only willing to air a rescheduled fight against Haye. I like that HBO is taking that stand, seeing how much money they've wasted over the last few years on garbage heavyweight fights that didn't interest anyone.

And the craziest thing I read today is that when Haye announced his injury, Roy Jones' camp called Klitschko to express their interest in filling in for Haye. Does Roy have a death wish?

 

[mclusky]

QUOTE (BGrif21125 @ Jun 5 2009, 04:08 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2335600
And the craziest thing I read today is that when Haye announced his injury, Roy Jones' camp called Klitschko to express their interest in filling in for Haye. Does Roy have a death wish?

I wish Roy would retire and go back to broadcasting before he gets his brains permanently scrambled. But maybe it's already too late.

 

[Naehring11]

QUOTE (mclusky @ Jun 5 2009, 04:42 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2335670
I wish Roy would retire and go back to broadcasting before he gets his brains permanently scrambled. But maybe it's already too late.



Maybe Roy is looking to enhance his legacy via the 2Pac affect by dying in the ring?

 

[BGrif21125]

Looks like Wlad has decided to keep the June 20 date and will fight Chagaev... and HBO has told Wlad that they have no interest.

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The Klitschko team was disappointed by HBO's decision to decline the fight.

"Nobody can understand it," Boente said. "HBO they told us they don't want Chagaev. I think that is not acceptable."

Greenburg stuck to his guns.

"It's not a fight we would be interested in," he said. "We want to save our money for later in the year if Wladimir is going to come back and fight again. We think that the Haye fight was going to be a good fight in the ring. I'm not expecting a lot out of Wladimir vs. Chagaev, so it was a pretty easy decision. If we had bought this now, we would not have had anything else left for Wladimir this year if anything else pops up, like a rescheduled David Haye fight, a Cris Arreola fight, anything that has some pop to it."

Boente said he would talk to Showtime and ESPN about acquiring American television rights.

Link

 

[allaboutthesox]

QUOTE (Naehring11 @ Jun 5 2009, 03:47 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2335678
Maybe Roy is looking to enhance his legacy via the 2Pac affect by dying in the ring?


Really?

 

[Gene Conleys Plane Ticket]

QUOTE (mclusky @ Jun 5 2009, 04:42 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2335670
I wish Roy would retire and go back to broadcasting before he gets his brains permanently scrambled. But maybe it's already too late.


Yeah, I think they're already scrambled if he seriously thinks he could match up with Klitschko, especially at this stage of his fading career. There's a pretty big difference between John Ruiz and Wladimir Klitschko. To say the least.

I think HBO did the right thing by declining the Chagaev fight, even though Chagaev is a legitimate opponent. And actually, he's a guy who could give Klitschko some degree of trouble. But I guess HBO is realizing that they've invested a hell of a lot of money in Wlad Klitschko with very little return. A bunch of mostly one-sided and more importantly low-rated fights. And because Klitschko fights most of his fights in Germany, the ratings are even lower than they would normally be due to the afternoon time slot in the U.S. They finally got a potentially exciting fight out of him and that's the fight they want. Good for HBO.

I won't be surprised if ESPN Classic picks up the Chagaev fight. Or maybe even Showtime which would be thrilled to have Wlad on their air.

 

[BGrif21125]

QUOTE (Gene Conleys Plane tiquet @ Jun 5 2009, 11:46 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2336678
I won't be surprised if ESPN Classic picks up the Chagaev fight.

They have, per ESPN.com

 

[allaboutthesox]

Alright, regardless of where one stands I figured I would post this link here and maybe it will be debated more so in this boxing thread:

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Cotto (34-1, 27 KOs) is in for a megafight next. Arum has dreams of matching him in the fall with his other superstar, pound-for-pound king and junior welterweight champ Manny Pacquiao, who was ringside.

"This fight showed me that Cotto and Pacquiao is a dead-even fight," Arum said. "I think it's a very competitive fight. Cotto-Pacquiao is the fight I want to make. It's the fight I really want to make."

It certainly is possible, unless a Pacquiao-Floyd Mayweather Jr. fight materializes for the fall.

But Cotto and Arum have their minds on another fight: a rematch with Margarito, who figures to eventually return from having his license revoked in the aftermath of being caught trying to fight Shane Mosley with loaded hand wraps in January. Mosley went on to knock out Margarito, but a revenge fight for Cotto still would be big.

"A Margarito-Cotto rematch would be a huge fight," Arum said.

Said Cotto, "The Margarito fight is a possibility when he comes back after his suspension. I will take him on. But, like always, I want to fight the best, so whoever is out there and willing, I am here."



Here is the link.

Honestly, I can't say that a Cotto-Pacman fight would be huge at all really. There is more money to be made and PROBABLY a better fight if Pacman were to fight the winner of Mayweather vs Marquez. The only way I see a Pacman-Cotto fight in October is if Roach convinces Pacman that Cotto is ripe for the plucking. As Roach has picked off other welterweights such as David Diaz, De La Hoya, and Hatton.

The Margarito fight would be a very interesting one as well, but I am not sure when Margarito suspension would be over. I am thinking it would end early next year I believe. Then one could assume Margarito may want an solid training camp before fighting Cotto. So, that fight seems like something later down the road.

The next fight Cotto should look at is Andre Berto potentially as to rebuild the image of being "beatable". I do share the concerns that some have mentioned in the boxing thread that Cotto may have suffered some serious mental setback from the Margarito fight. Then again, maybe the Clottey fight was what he needed to overcome that ghost. Only time will tell.

 

[SeoulSoxFan]

Well well well, we'll have to wait for the PBF's comeback after all:

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/ne...tory?id=4258073

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LAS VEGAS -- Floyd Mayweather Jr.'s boxing comeback has been postponed because the boxer suffered a rib injury while training.

Promoters said Sunday that the July 18 fight against Juan Manuel Marquez in Las Vegas will be rescheduled.

Mayweather (39-0, 25 KOs) released a statement saying he had been training hard and was disappointed. Marquez (50-4-1, 37 KOs) said he will remain focused, in shape and ready to fight a rescheduled bout.

Mayweather, the former five-division champ, hasn't stepped in the ring since knocking out Ricky Hatton in December 2007, when he was still basking in the aura of his transcending victory over Oscar De La Hoya. He'd cashed in his "Pretty Boy" nickname for one more befitting his agenda -- "Money" -- and was showing up everywhere from "Dancing with the Stars" to WrestleMania.

That's when Mayweather abruptly called it quits last June, turning his attention to show business.

Mayweather officially ended his retirement May 2 when the fight with lightweight champion Marquez was announced.


Color me highly disappointed.

 

[ElUno20]

QUOTE (SeoulSoxFan @ Jun 14 2009, 04:52 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2359411
Well well well, we'll have to wait for the PBF's comeback after all:

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/ne...tory?id=4258073



Color me highly disappointed.



Me too. That 5 minute preview of 24/7 last night was as good as the fight. This sucks. The article doesn't say but maybe one of his sparring partners (Judah?) got through the fortress known as the Mayweather defense.

 

[BGrif21125]

That sucks. First Klitschko-Haye, now this one.

At the very least, if the fight is postponed a few weeks (or months), it means that the Mayweather/Marquez winner is out of the picture as a Pacquiao opponent for later this year. There won't be enough turnaround time.

So for Pacquiao, it's either Cotto, Mosley, or maybe a stay-busy fight against a 140 pounder.

 

[SeoulSoxFan]

QUOTE (BGrif21125 @ Jun 14 2009, 07:14 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2359509
That sucks. First Klitschko-Haye, now this one.

At the very least, if the fight is postponed a few weeks (or months), it means that the Mayweather/Marquez winner is out of the picture as a Pacquiao opponent for later this year. There won't be enough turnaround time.

So for Pacquiao, it's either Cotto, Mosley, or maybe a stay-busy fight against a 140 pounder.



This also means whenever (if ever?) PBF fights Pacman, he'll be one year older and half-step slower. I am beginning to doubt if that fight ever happens.

Mosley will give Pacman a terrific fight but not sure if Manny's camp picks that fight if given the choice. A disappointing (yeah, despite the past record ) but still-a-winner Cotto looks like the best remaining match out there now.

 

[allaboutthesox]

QUOTE (SeoulSoxFan @ Jun 14 2009, 07:58 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2359585
This also means whenever (if ever?) PBF fights Pacman, he'll be one year older and half-step slower. I am beginning to doubt if that fight ever happens.

Mosley will give Pacman a terrific fight but not sure if Manny's camp picks that fight if given the choice. A disappointing (yeah, despite the past record ) but still-a-winner Cotto looks like the best remaining match out there now.


I was just starting to think that Mosley might be Pacquiao's best option. Cotto said he was taking 9 weeks to rest before even looking at another fight. The Marquez vs. Mayweather fight was a mid July fight and now with the delay, I am not sure either Marquez, Cotto, or Mayweather would be ready by October 27th to fight Pacquiao. Unless Pacquiao decides to fight late November or early December.

Count me as disappointed as well that the Marquez vs. Mayweather fight is not happening as I was sure that the winner of this fight was going to get Pacquiao. Did they announce a timetable for a rescheduling of the fight?

 

[BGrif21125]

Fwiw, the rumors are already starting up that Mayweather's "injury" is really due to the fact that Mayweather-Marquez tickets have not been selling well at all, and that Floyd may want to back out of the Marquez fight and go straight to Pacquiao for bigger money.

I don't think I really believe any of this, but I'd expect to see a lot of these types of stories over the coming days/weeks.

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Cotto said he was taking 9 weeks to rest before even looking at another fight.

I watched the postfight interview yesterday, and I believe what he actually said was that he had trained for 9 hard weeks for the Clotey fight, and therefore wanted some rest before making his next move. I don't think he said he would need 9 weeks to make a decision.

 

[Gene Conleys Plane Ticket]

QUOTE (BGrif21125 @ Jun 15 2009, 01:28 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2360251
Fwiw, the rumors are already starting up that Mayweather's "injury" is really due to the fact that Mayweather-Marquez tickets have not been selling well at all, and that Floyd may want to back out of the Marquez fight and go straight to Pacquiao for bigger money.

I don't think I really believe any of this, but I'd expect to see a lot of these types of stories over the coming days/weeks.


I watched the postfight interview yesterday, and I believe what he actually said was that he had trained for 9 hard weeks for the Clotey fight, and therefore wanted some rest before making his next move. I don't think he said he would need 9 weeks to make a decision.


Looks like Pacquiao-Cotto is happening. According to this report, Pacquiao who was at ringside for Saturday's fight, told Arum to make the deal and it could be finalized this week.

Of course, it seems that Bob Arum is the main source for all of this, and he's been the primary booster of this fight all along, so we'll see. But if true, then Mayweather blew it if in fact the above conspiracy theory is correct. He won't get Pacquiao until May 2010 at the earliest, if at all. (For the record, I don't think the conspiracy theory is true and I'll guess that Mayweather-Marquez gets moved to September.)

 

[allaboutthesox]

QUOTE (BGrif21125 @ Jun 15 2009, 12:28 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2360251
Fwiw, the rumors are already starting up that Mayweather's "injury" is really due to the fact that Mayweather-Marquez tickets have not been selling well at all, and that Floyd may want to back out of the Marquez fight and go straight to Pacquiao for bigger money.

I don't think I really believe any of this, but I'd expect to see a lot of these types of stories over the coming days/weeks.


I watched the postfight interview yesterday, and I believe what he actually said was that he had trained for 9 hard weeks for the Clotey fight, and therefore wanted some rest before making his next move. I don't think he said he would need 9 weeks to make a decision.


I will have to rewatch it but you are probably right. I thought that he had made mention of taking 9 weeks off and then looking at his options put forth by the company. I am probably wrong though as you have mentioned.

 

[Gene Conleys Plane Ticket]

More fuel for the Mayweather "injury" conspiracy theories.

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It was no secret within the industry that the fight was struggling at the box office. Sources tell Maxboxing that no more than 3,000 tickets were sold, and tiquet brokers weren't exactly rushing to put in orders. It's difficult to have a secondary market when there isn't much of a demand for the event to begin with. Not only was this fight seen as a physical mismatch in many circles, the tickets (which ranged from $1,000 to $150) seemed a bit pricey, particularly in this current economy.


I'm still not sure I buy the conspiracy theories, but it's interesting to note that "Money" Mayweather isn't quite the gate attraction (or PPV attraction, presumably) that he advertises himself to be. To play along with the conspiracy theory for a moment, perhaps Mayweather realized that he'd be lucky to get 50-50 for a Pacquiao fight, much less the 60-40 that he's been demanding, if his big comeback fight bombed at the box-office.

The proof will be in whether the fight is actually rescheduled. September 19 is the next available date, apparently. If Mayweather finds a way to back out of that one, too, then I think the veracity of his "rib injury" has to be questioned.

 

[BGrif21125]

QUOTE (Gene Conleys Plane tiquet @ Jun 16 2009, 11:00 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2361480
To play along with the conspiracy theory for a moment, perhaps Mayweather realized that he'd be lucky to get 50-50 for a Pacquiao fight, much less the 60-40 that he's been demanding, if his big comeback fight bombed at the box-office.

What makes me skeptical about the conspiracy theories is that I don't necessarily believe that poor tiquet sales would seriously hurt Floyd's negotiating strength when demanding a 50% or greater share against Pacquiao.

Obviously, slow tiquet sales against Marquez wouldn't help his case, but PPV buys account for the majority of a fight's revenue, not tiquet sales. And as long as Mayweather-Marquez could get more PPV buys than the ~400K that Pacquiao-Marquez II did last year (which I'm confident would happen, slow tiquet sales or not), then Floyd can show up at the negotiating table and state that Mayweather-Marquez did more PPVs than Pacquiao-Marquez, Mayweather-Hatton did more PPVs than Pacquiao-Hatton, and Mayweather-De La Hoya did more PPVs than Pacquiao-De La Hoya. And while Floyd is often guilty of making outrageous claims, in this one particular case he'd have a fairly valid point IMO.

I think slow tiquet sales for Mayweather-Marquez are due to the tickets being grossly overpriced at a time of the year (mid-summer) when people aren't itching to go to Vegas and spend several days in 110-degree heat. I do think there is a solid amount of interest in the fight from a $50 PPV standpoint.