SoSH Survivor Pool - Week 2 Discussion

wade boggs chicken dinner

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DrewDawg said:
 
Well, for NO, they had lost 5 straight home games. Last year they beat Tampa twice, once in OT and once by 3, in a game that required coming back from a 13 point 4th quarter deficit. Why is Rex Ryan's history against Brady (even though he's like 1-7 in his last 8) more relevant than NO's home troubles and tough games last year against TB? Also, NO was 7-9 last year (won only 9 of last 23 games) but seem to be still given deference they maybe don't deserve anymore. Not until they right themselves.
 
The Miami and Baltimore were defensible (although Miami required a 4th quarter punt return TD to beat Washington in week 1), but I would not have wanted to load up on both of them.
 
And saving a team until week 10 just strikes me as putting the cart 18 miles ahead of the horse.
 
My main point though is that the Saints suck and everyone should cross them off any list they have of teams to always look at until they start winning again.
 
The problem is that while you may have come to the correct conclusion and others might have agreed with you, getting 20-40 other strangers on an interweb message board to agree to forego a 10.5 point favorite is going to be a pretty tough task.
 

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In my pool, out of the 46 people that were alive, 38 got knocked out.  The 8 winners were Pit (4) Cincy (1) Arizona (1) and 2 have Indy tonight.
 
NO, Balt, Miami, and St Louis were the knock outs.  
 

edmunddantes

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in my pool of 65 entries alive, we just lost 56 of them with 3 still up in the air if Indy bites the dust tonight.
 
It's what is going to happen when top 3 go out.
 
Now if we want to then spread out more of a tale, I could see an argument for that. 
 
No real definitive answer to this one, or Survivor pools would never end. 
 

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I'll add that while I didn't love the AZ pick that game may have been a lot closer had Cutler not gotten hurt. Neither defense was doing much up until Cutler left the game.  He actually didn't have a pass hit the ground yesterday though his one incompletion was an INT.
 
I think our biggest problem was trying to look too far ahead and putting too much emphasis on "future value".  I originally wanted to put a decent amount of shares on PIT and that was probably my favorite play of the week after NO.  Then we dissected their upcoming schedules and the fact the Dolphins weren't going to be of much use beyond this week and I changed my mind.
 
Also there is a reason why historically the best bet in Vegas is home dogs.  
 

CallYaz

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Wish we could have gone further and it was fun to read everything that leads up to the picks.
 
In another pool I always buy 5 picks (20 bucks each).  This year I decided one pick would be Siri giving me a random number between 1 and 10, I sort the teams by biggest favorites.  Yesterday she had Carolina (9th highest favorite) ....  will be interesting to see how far she makes it. 
 
That pool started with over 1400 entries and it could be down to 200 or 300 depending on tonight.
 

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I'm in for a second chance pool.


Does anyone know where to find how much (or what percentage) of Vegas money was on each team?
 

edmunddantes

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It might be hard for people to put same level of dedication into this (unless we do get the 2nd chance pool up), but it might be worth keeping up on the survivor pool thread just so we can get a feel for what does work and doesn't work strategy wise for us as a group going forward for next year.
 
Just a thought.
 
Of course, 2nd chance pool would make it more likely for people to be willing to put in the work so might be a moot point whether we continue thread if that happens. 
 

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I had two entries in this pool and took NO and PITT this week. If I win, I will donate $500 to Tony's charity of choice. I will also then buy SoSH and make Nip and Skrub my b*tches...
 

wade boggs chicken dinner

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crystalline said:
I'm in for a second chance pool.


Does anyone know where to find how much (or what percentage) of Vegas money was on each team?
This website contains that info for at least some of the games: http://walterfootball.com/nflpicks2015_02early.php
The info is after the discussion - e.g., he says that 55% of the bets were on KC.

i don't know where the info comes from; maybe it's somewhere on the site.
 

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7 of the top 8 teams picked lost.  
 
You would have had better luck picking the bottom 8 teams ( 4 wins out of 8, a total of 18 picks, in which 9 were correct) than the top 8 teams (1 win out of 8, a total of 8,192 picks in which 716 were correct). 
 
Current Week Team Count
 TeamCount
Saints3344
Dolphins1369
Ravens1361
Steelers716
Colts617
Rams471
Titans165
Eagles149
Panthers98
Bengals91
Cardinals83
Chiefs52
Giants39
Packers38
Patriots15
Browns11
Vikings7
Falcons6
Bills4
Lions4
Chargers3
Broncos3
49ers3
Seahawks3
Raiders3
Cowboys2
Texans2
Buccaneers1
Bears1
 

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wade boggs chicken dinner said:
This website contains that info for at least some of the games: http://walterfootball.com/nflpicks2015_02early.php
The info is after the discussion - e.g., he says that 55% of the bets were on KC.

i don't know where the info comes from; maybe it's somewhere on the site.
Cool, thank you. He says 70% of the bets were on the Saints. The spread implied an 80% Saints win, so the line was set to draw more money in on the Saints. That kind of info can be useful in a prospective not just retrospective way. Not that it would have changed my erroneous faith in the Saints this week. At least the Jets improved their draft position today. The Curse of Deflategate is real.
 

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I feel a little better after Indy losing.
 
I feel a little worse at the remaining sheets being worth about $900ea at this point.
 

edmunddantes

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I have a question for the group.
 
I have used Miami and Pittsburgh.
 
5 other teams left in my pool. Nobody has really used up any great teams.
 
Miami, Pittsburgh, Dallas, Carolina, Denver, and NYJ (in some combination for all the remaining teams).
 
I'm thinking the NE, Seattle, Carolina, or Cardinals is the group to focus on for this week.
 
Part of me is leaning towards Carolina home against the Saints, but I wonder if that is getting too cute versus taking NE or Seattle home (more sure survive and advance). Divisional game scares me a bit with Cardinals, but they are home.  
 

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O like Carolina, too, but the Pats are a sure thing this week. Jags have made their presence felt the first two weeks and I guarantee the Pats don't take them lightly. Plus the Pats are at home.

I usually tread cautiously with the Pats because of my bias, but that's a fucking gimme this week.
 

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I'm down to 2 in my pool thanks to the Jets. I've used Jets and the Steelers. Opponent has used Denver and Arizona. 
 
I feel I've got to go strong and take the Pats for week 3. Need locks or as close as possible at this point. We've seen crazy happen the first two weeks and my hope is it happens to him. Week 4 has Seattle home against the Lions, so I'm leaning to Seattle if that comes into play.
 

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My whole pool reset after literally every person was eliminated in Week 2. Taking the Pats this week and not thinking twice about it. Not going to get cute or try to 'save' a good team after last week's bloodbath.
 

Deathofthebambino

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I think there were 56 people in my pool when it started, and we're down to 5 (I had Pittsburgh, touted them here too actually), I'm also going New England this week and not thinking twice.  
 
I also took New Orleans in my other "triple elimination" pool, with over 800 people (about 100 left without a loss, and about 100 with two losses) and will be taking New England there as well.
 
Future value means absolutely nothing to me in these things.  I've been doing them for many, many, many years, and I've yet to make it far enough where I said to myself "Self, I really wish I had saved that team because now I'm fucked and there is nobody else I like," so the idea of saving a team for later is not only strange, but a wee bit arrogant in a sense.  
 
I think the person that posted the results of the top three picks the past three years all being like 9-4 or 10-3 (winning 9 or 10 out of 13 weeks) brings up a great point.  If you extrapolate that out, basically one of the top three picks every single week is going to lose, and the top pick is probably going to be wrong once every few weeks.  There are no givens, and the spreads don't offer nearly as much predictive power as folks want to ascribe to them.  I've come to the conclusion that the only way to win these things is to watch a shit load of football, pay attention to everything (injuries, previous head too head matchups, splits, coaches, etc.) and come up with the most educated guess you can....and then pick the other team. 
 

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Deathofthebambino said:
I think there were 56 people in my pool when it started, and we're down to 5 (I had Pittsburgh, touted them here too actually), I'm also going New England this week and not thinking twice.  
 
I also took New Orleans in my other "triple elimination" pool, with over 800 people (about 100 left without a loss, and about 100 with two losses) and will be taking New England there as well.
 
Future value means absolutely nothing to me in these things.  I've been doing them for many, many, many years, and I've yet to make it far enough where I said to myself "Self, I really wish I had saved that team because now I'm fucked and there is nobody else I like," so the idea of saving a team for later is not only strange, but a wee bit arrogant in a sense.  
 
I think the person that posted the results of the top three picks the past three years all being like 9-4 or 10-3 (winning 9 or 10 out of 13 weeks) brings up a great point.  If you extrapolate that out, basically one of the top three picks every single week is going to lose, and the top pick is probably going to be wrong once every few weeks.  There are no givens, and the spreads don't offer nearly as much predictive power as folks want to ascribe to them.  I've come to the conclusion that the only way to win these things is to watch a shit load of football, pay attention to everything (injuries, previous head too head matchups, splits, coaches, etc.) and come up with the most educated guess you can....and then pick the other team. 
 
I love this sentence, it's perfect.
 

weeba

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From one of my pools:
 

The final entry count sits at 933.  In week one, 139 were eliminated bringing the Survivor count down to 794 going into week two.
 
In week two, of those 794 Survivors, an absolutely insane 693 were eliminated, leaving the Survivor count at 101.  From 933 to 101 in two weeks... crazy.
 
 
 
 

axx

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For S&G I checked Yahoo, and sure enough only 6% picked correctly in Week 2. (I chose NO btw)
 
The Pats and Seahawks are like 80% of this weeks picks. Either one loses, Yahoo may as well shut it down.
 

Stitch01

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Its almost like we were dealing with high variance probabilistic events where sometimes a lower probability outcome will hit.