Maybe they did. Chances are Groome makes the major leagues. I don't think you can say that about Ferguson or Rosier yet.Did they?
I had no idea Groome still had defenders. Pretty sure he was getting launched off the forty-man in a few months.
Maybe they did. Chances are Groome makes the major leagues. I don't think you can say that about Ferguson or Rosier yet.Did they?
I had no idea Groome still had defenders. Pretty sure he was getting launched off the forty-man in a few months.
3 David Hamilton's is better than 1? Maybe one works.Sounds good in theory, but that describes Jeisson Rosario too and he's no longer in the organization.
We all get it. You're pissed off and think Bloom is doing a shitty job. How about adding some substance to your drive-by hot takes going forward.You know, that makes sense considering John Henry's unwillingness to spend money on the guys that do actually come from the farm system. Might as well make it the best part of the organization.
I found this promising. Scroll down to see Ferguson’s write up where he mentions Rosier.Idk, admittedly just looking at bbref pages, but Ferguson looks like a complete non prospect and Rosier is almost 23 and underwhelming in high A. Both look like org filler to me, while Groome's stat line appears he likely on track to make the big leagues. If it is a push on the prospects while solving a 40 man issue, then at least that makes sense, but surely we can't be paying Hosmer more due to this part of the trade.
If that's true then the deal was a no brainer steal for the Sox.Chris Cotillo
@ChrisCotillo
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Source: SD is paying Hosmer down to the minimum. They are sending Sox about $44m.
That makes it a pretty strong value for the Sox to get two prospects and a serviceable veteran 1B with a classic Fenway swing for the veteran minimum for Jay Groome who was likely going to be bullpen fodder or Rule V’d away.Chris Cotillo
@ChrisCotillo
23s
Source: SD is paying Hosmer down to the minimum. They are sending Sox about $44m.
They're still very much in the playoff hunt, and should be getting a lot of guys back soon, so it seems way too early to say that it won't matter for this yearThat makes it a pretty strong value for the Sox to get two prospects and a serviceable veteran 1B with a classic Fenway swing for the veteran minimum for Jay Groome who was likely going to be bullpen fodder or Rule V’d away.
This isn’t a deal that matters for this year, or maybe even ever, but it is the kind of deal you want your GM and POBO to bemaking consistently. They will add up over time and have a positive impact.
Hard to argue if Preller is picking up 100% of Hosmer's tab, we get a couple of lottery tickets and Groome was going to be DFA'd soon anyway. But make no mistake, we still have a black hole at first base and the defense may have worsened.That makes it a pretty strong value for the Sox to get two prospects and a serviceable veteran 1B with a classic Fenway swing for the veteran minimum for Jay Groome who was likely going to be bullpen fodder or Rule V’d away.
This isn’t a deal that matters for this year, or maybe even ever, but it is the kind of deal you want your GM and POBO to bemaking consistently. They will add up over time and have a positive impact.
And if he does turn into a stud, half the folks applauding this trade today will be bitching about it here.Assuming Groome doesn’t turn into a stud, this was a fleecing. Not a fan of any of the other moves, or much of the last 30 months in total, but this was a fleecing, given our 1B situation.
The Padres have moved a ton of players off their 40 man in their recent acquisitions so Groome likely has a spot and is close enough to MLB for them to bring him up in a pinch as a bullpen arm (they sent a ton of bullpen depth to Milwaukee for Hader if I recall). So it isn't necessarily even a straight up talent eval, they might be boosting his value above the two lower level guys because they simply need live arms on the 40.If the Padres were releasing Hosmer anyway, they probably prefer Groome over the 2 prospects they moved. It's really prospect for prospects.
DamnChris Cotillo
@ChrisCotillo
23s
Source: SD is paying Hosmer down to the minimum. They are sending Sox about $44m.
Unless he turns into a stud in the next 2 months it won't matter, because if he did it wasn't going to be with the Sox anyway. Of course that doesn't stop people from complaining about Beni being traded when he didn't get good until over a year after he was dealt.Assuming Groome doesn’t turn into a stud, this was a fleecing. Not a fan of any of the other moves, or much of the last 30 months in total, but this was a fleecing, given our 1B situation.
This is where I’m at, and I’ve been hopeful about Groome. But this is just solid roster management.That makes it a pretty strong value for the Sox to get two prospects and a serviceable veteran 1B with a classic Fenway swing for the veteran minimum for Jay Groome who was likely going to be bullpen fodder or Rule V’d away.
This isn’t a deal that matters for this year, or maybe even ever, but it is the kind of deal you want your GM and POBO to bemaking consistently. They will add up over time and have a positive impact.
Somewhere, the top prospect for the rejuvenated Sox farm system, Triston Casas, weeps.At least they now have a competent major league first baseman for the next few years with a legit track record for league minimum. That’s not nothing. In fact, that’s pretty solid.
He need not weep at all. Good chance JD isn’t back next year. They’ll need a DH. Between Hosmer and Casas they can fill both spots. Or if they’ve added a better bat, they can let Hosmer go for no cost at all. And if Casas isn’t ready, Hosmer fills the role just fine. I mean he’s not great but he’s at least league average for a league minimum salary, which is pretty sweet.Somewhere, the top prospect for the rejuvenated Sox farm system, Triston Casas, weeps.
I assume you’re right, though I am a little surprised at the outcome still.If the Padres were releasing Hosmer anyway, they probably prefer Groome over the 2 prospects they moved. It's really prospect for prospects.
Also as mentioned earlier, Hosmer has been a mentor to Casas; they're both alumni of the same school.Somewhere, the top prospect for the rejuvenated Sox farm system, Triston Casas, weeps.
Thats cool, but carrying two LH 1B, who only play 1b and who struggle against LH, historically, seems like a weird roster dynamic.Also as mentioned earlier, Hosmer has been a mentor to Casas; they're both alumni of the same school.
If Casas shows he's ready then Hosmer probably won't still be on the team, and if he doesn't look like he's ready then there's no need to rush him or go out and find a stop gap.Thats cool, but carrying two LH 1B, who only play 1b and who struggle against LH, historically, seems like a weird roster dynamic.
Yep. Either way, the 1B position, one where you don’t really want to spend top dollar, is covered for the next three years for minimum wage. That cost certainty has value just like the options Bloom has now has value.If Casas shows he's ready then Hosmer probably won't still be on the team, and if he doesn't look like he's ready then there's no need to rush him or go out and find a stop gap.
A Hamilton in the hand is worth three in the bush3 David Hamilton's is better than 1? Maybe one works.
How long did it take LAD?The plan (emulate LAD) is the best we could hope for and the absolute correct decision but it's not shiny enough and takes too long for the relentless radio call in folks that have found there way to this board.
The team was sold in 2012, but the CBA was not as rigid then and the Dodgers jump started their process by outspending everyone in baseball.How long did it take LAD?
What's the luxury tax hit here? His salary each year is $13 mil but the luxury tax hit is $18 mil, so are we on the hook for a $5 mil luxury tax hit each year?
Apparently there's something with the new cba where by when you trade a guy it resets the tax number to be based on whatever he has left, but I believe that hit goes mostly to the padres since they're covering his salary and the sox would only have a tax hit of the amount they're actually paying him. Sox still have a 16m hit on Price for this season.What's the luxury tax hit here? His salary each year is $13 mil but the luxury tax hit is $18 mil, so are we on the hook for a $5 mil luxury tax hit each year?
Does someone have a list of all the guys that are under contract or will need to be placed on the 40-man come November/December? I guess the impending free agents are also question marks obviously vis-a-vis whether they are signed. Related question - if someone gets a QO, but they haven't signed yet (or particularly by the time of the Rule V draft), do they take up a 40-man spot? Thanks so much!folks, the issue wasn't that Groome was likely to be selected in the rule 5, it is that he was likely to be designated for assignment due to a crunch in the 40 man.
4 months from now, he was literally going to be placed on waivers and likely selected, for nothing.
Someone on here made a shortened list of the top 30 guys but here's the full list. https://www.soxprospects.com/rule5.htmDoes someone have a list of all the guys that are under contract or will need to be placed on the 40-man come November/December? I guess the impending free agents are also question marks obviously vis-a-vis whether they are signed. Related question - if someone gets a QO, but they haven't signed yet (or particularly by the time of the Rule V draft), do they take up a 40-man spot? Thanks so much!