Spurs 23/24: I'm Loving Big Ange Instead

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Re Spence, I don't know about his qualities, but I think he was a quintessential financial acquisition by Levy in that he thinks he bought low and expects to turn a profit on the eventual sale. He also might've thought that Conte would buy into playing Spence, which obviously had the opposite effect.
You don't buy guys for whom you are trying to do that for 15 - 20 million pounds, that's not actually buying low unless the guy is an absolute EPL starter, which nothing in his career has implied. It was a "raw developmental guy with upside" buy at "this guy will be an immediate squad depth piece" prices, and the error is being compounded because nobody is developing the guy. He's two more half-assed loans away from being sold back to the Championship for like 5 million I fear, the Jack Clarke career path.
 

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You don't buy guys for whom you are trying to do that for 15 - 20 million pounds, that's not actually buying low unless the guy is an absolute EPL starter, which nothing in his career has implied. It was a "raw developmental guy with upside" buy at "this guy will be an immediate squad depth piece" prices, and the error is being compounded because nobody is developing the guy. He's two more half-assed loans away from being sold back to the Championship for like 5 million I fear, the Jack Clarke career path.
Shit, am I thinking about another player? Whatevs.

I hope the holdup on the CBs is that the selling clubs are trying to line up their replacements and they won't announce the sales until the full move is ready, but Spurs are getting close to the point where they need to think about offering a premium to confirm the purchase if that's the hold up. If Spurs are holding up these deals because of <£10M, then they're stupid. When does the squad return to England? Because these acquisitions need to be there at about the same time.

P.S. How do you guys type £ and €? I have to do a quick web search and copy/paste each time, and I die a bit inside each time.
 

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Lots of reports that Bayern have offered €100m + €20m in add-ons for Kane. That is a great deal for a 30-year-old with only one year left on his contract, especially since Spurs aren't likely to win anything this season with or without Kane. Take the money, Daniel!
 

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Lots of reports that Bayern have offered €100m + €20m in add-ons for Kane. That is a great deal for a 30-year-old with only one year left on his contract, especially since Spurs aren't likely to win anything this season with or without Kane. Take the money, Daniel!
I think he's already sold essentially, and they're trying to get the other deals over the line before the Kane sale to avoid prices going up. But consider VDV just cost (E)50M it may not matter.
 

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Van de ven is official, Woohoo! Now do tapsoba!! It should be between 50-90m euros since those were vdv and Gvardiol’s fees
Feel like 2 years from now, VDV has a chance to be a breakout star that’s getting write ups like “look out for Big Red in 2025!”

his physical skill set is immense and I kinda wish Liverpool had moved quickly for him. But I don’t think he’s a this year answer.
 

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Spurs have also signed Alejo Veliz and Ashley Phillips.

The Phillips story is funny--Spurs offered Blackburn total of £5m (£3m in fees and £2m more in add-ons). Phillips even had a medical. At the last minute Blackburn asked for £9.5m (£5m in fees and £4.5m in add-ons). Spurs declined and yesterday Phillips release clause kicked in, allowing Spurs to pay £2m.
 

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Spurs look like they'll be very fun this season, but any defenders who are slow or bad 1v1 are going to be severely exposed by Ange's high line. There is a lot of turnover needed in that defense, I don't think Dier, Davies, Reguilon, or annoyingly since we just bought him in the winter Porro can play in a backline like this. Djed Spence either I guess, but I barely even count him as a defender as none of his Spurs managers have trusted him to be one yet and every time he does come into a match he looks deeply confused.
 

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As someone who follows Barca and Spurs closely, I really enjoyed yesterday's match. On the Spurs side of things, there was both good and bad. One piece of transfer biz to get out of the way--Rodon has been loaned to Leeds for the season, so hopefully he can perform well and Spurs can sell him off next summer.

First the good. Sanchez actually looks viable as a CB under Ange in these early days. I'd still sell him now, as we've seen this story before and both player and club deserve a fresh start. But nonetheless, it bodes well for our other maligned players. Bissouma looks like the real deal and should be cemented as thre 6 in the XI. GLC continued his good performances and I'd say it's 50-50 whether he starts next to Maddy or whether it's Skipp. I think Ange sees GLC as the backup to Maddy, so Skipp will get the nod. Skippy! He's really got a nose for goal and he seems to bring the physicality necessary for that B2B MF role. GLC has a better touch and can help break presses better, but if Skipp is providing end product, he'll likely earn a starting spot. Hoj is the backup to Yves at the moment, and I think Sarr needs to go out on loan or be sold. Tanguy obviously needs to go too. Perisic continues to do very well in the LW role and his service led to both goals. I also loved when he wrecked Barca's backup keeper late in the game--gives you some real insight into him as a player. I thought Solomon was quite good too, and he looks capable at both spots and seems to fit Ange's system hand in glove.

Second the so-so. Vicario did poorly on the first Lewa goal and didn't look totally comfortable on several other occasions, but he also made some impressive saves showcasing his athleticism. He looks like a keeper that needs some substantial training and he's going to learn on the job. The comparison to MATS was stark. I thought Richy did his role well but was also quite anonymous. He had one turn and snapshot that just missed, but otherwise he mostly occupied CBs, created space with good workrate, and led the press admirably.

The bad. I don't think Porro is viable against anything but bottom half/bottom quartile competition right now. He's just terrible about tracking runners behind him and the books out on him. When Spurs need to chase the game or want to play aggressively he can provide real value, but I don't see how he starts over Emerson any time in the near future. Dier was quite bad again and since this is the last year of his contract I don't see him leaving. But I think it's a real bad situation if he's the third CB. Reggie also looks pretty bad and well below a [Spurs] level replacement player. Davies can be the more defensive counterpart and backup to Udogie, Reggie should be sold to a La Liga club for whatever they can get--he has £5.5 remaining due over 2 seasons, so if they can get more than that he should be gone.

Overall, I thought the team looked pretty cohesive and the press was good throughout. They played a high line and almost got burned many times but the players knew the system and were really trying to play nice football. The backline was 3/4 shambles but even that just shows how well Dav played. Other than CB, Spurs look pretty good heading into the season. My XI with backups in parentheses:

Son (Perisic)-Kane (Richy)-Deki (Solomon)
Maddy (GLC)-Skipp (GLC)
Yves (Hoj)
Udogie (Davies)-VDV (Sanchez)-Cuti (Sanchez)-Emerson (Porro)
Vicario (Forster)

That's 18 outfield players, plus 2 keepers, so there's still 5 spots: 21. Dier, 22. Veliz, 23. Scarlett, 24. Devine, 25. ??? (In order of likelihood: Sarr, Japh, Spence, Whiteman/Austin)

Out: 2 of Sarr/Japh/Spence, Reggie, Tanguy
 

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New post just to break things up a bit. Of the players I think they may offload, here's my best guess as to prices:

Tanguy - 2 years, £20M remaining. Gets sold for £15M or loaned.
Reggie - 2 years, £5.5M remaining. Gets sold for <£5M.
Djed - 4 years, £5.2M remaining. Loan.
Japh - 2 years, £2.6M remaining. Sold for £4-5M.
Sarr - 3 years, £1.5M remaining. Loan.
 

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Agreed with pretty much all of that Zoso. Offensively Spurs played really well against Barca, but the backline was really in shambles. Fortunately, it was a lineup of pretty much all backups, unlikely to all be playing in combination with one another during the actual season. Dier is a step-slow to be playing the high-line that Ange seems to prefer--I don't think he is the world's worst option as third-choice CB because he has at least shown during his career the ability to play in the EPL, but he really shouldn't start. Van de Ven to me is a great signing, he's young and he graded out as the fastest CB in the Bundesliga last season. Him and Romero together have the potential to be a really high quality CB pairing if everything goes right.

I kind of...hate Pedro Porro. He leaks goals on defense and has been a disaster on that end since coming to Spurs, and on offense I find him to pretty selfish, often going for the spectacular instead of playing a ball in for a teammate. He could turn things around with more playing time, but I do not like seeing him out there.

Perisic getting to play his more typical attacking role might be an under-the-radar kind of improvement for Spurs. He struggled last year playing wingback, getting him back into his regular role should suit him, and he's a hugely accomplished player. Despite his age, I don't think his issue was physical last year, more just trying to play wingback in Conte's system. He has the technical quality to be a very dangerous player, and he is going to be coming on a lot as a substitute which should save his legs.

The midfield for this team does seem to be pretty robust--even if Tanguy is a goner, if GLC and Skipp and Bissouma play as well as they have in the preseason, this is a pretty deep group that can play a lot of combinations depending on tactics and the style of the game.
 

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What I'm most looking forward to this season is that Bissouma-GLC-Maddison (none of whom were involved much or at all last season) is potentially a competent midfield with a lot of possession potential, something Spurs haven't had in a long time. And they have a manager who will actually try to coach possession buildup structures. Finding the right balance in midfield has been an ongoing disaster at Spurs for several years--even when they made the CL final in in 2019, that Winks-Sissoko MF pairing was hardly inspiring. But this group has potential. Bentancur should come back around midseason as well to be another strong option there. If you're looking for reasons this side could improve a lot from last year, the manager is 1 and that midfield is 2.

Even if Kane leaves, an attack of Son, Richarlison, Kulusevski, with contributions from Perisic and Maddison, should be functional enough, and if Kane leaves they'll have funds to reinforce in January or next summer. The fullbacks are still a mess, the CB spot next to Romero is unsettled for now (eventually it should be Van de Ven, but it's unclear if he can step in right away), and the new GK is a question mark.
 

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What I'm most looking forward to this season is that Bissouma-GLC-Maddison (none of whom were involved much or at all last season) is potentially a competent midfield with a lot of possession potential, something Spurs haven't had in a long time. And they have a manager who will actually try to coach possession buildup structures. Finding the right balance in midfield has been an ongoing disaster at Spurs for several years--even when they made the CL final in in 2019, that Winks-Sissoko MF pairing was hardly inspiring. But this group has potential. Bentancur should come back around midseason as well to be another strong option there. If you're looking for reasons this side could improve a lot from last year, the manager is 1 and that midfield is 2.

Even if Kane leaves, an attack of Son, Richarlison, Kulusevski, with contributions from Perisic and Maddison, should be functional enough, and if Kane leaves they'll have funds to reinforce in January or next summer. The fullbacks are still a mess, the CB spot next to Romero is unsettled for now (eventually it should be Van de Ven, but it's unclear if he can step in right away), and the new GK is a question mark.
I like Udoge / Royal as a first choice pair, but the options behind them are deeply troubling to me. Davies has some of the speed/ 1v1 issues where I could see him getting eaten alive in Ange's system, Porro is an absolute trash fire defensively, and Spence is "gives you salmonella if you even look at him" level raw.
 

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I think Levy's strategy at this point is to keep Kane, the team has a great season and qualifies for Champions League, and convinces Kane that Spurs can win things and he signs an extension.
 

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What I'm most looking forward to this season is that Bissouma-GLC-Maddison (none of whom were involved much or at all last season) is potentially a competent midfield with a lot of possession potential, something Spurs haven't had in a long time. And they have a manager who will actually try to coach possession buildup structures. Finding the right balance in midfield has been an ongoing disaster at Spurs for several years--even when they made the CL final in in 2019, that Winks-Sissoko MF pairing was hardly inspiring. But this group has potential. Bentancur should come back around midseason as well to be another strong option there. If you're looking for reasons this side could improve a lot from last year, the manager is 1 and that midfield is 2.

Even if Kane leaves, an attack of Son, Richarlison, Kulusevski, with contributions from Perisic and Maddison, should be functional enough, and if Kane leaves they'll have funds to reinforce in January or next summer. The fullbacks are still a mess, the CB spot next to Romero is unsettled for now (eventually it should be Van de Ven, but it's unclear if he can step in right away), and the new GK is a question mark.
I'll be watching Son really carefully these first few games. He really doesn't seem like a good fit for the system, but similar to Kane, he's so good that you pretty much have to start him and try to fit him in at first. Deki is also on 'fit for Ange's system watch'. On paper Son-Richy-Deki is OK (Richy's coming off a shit season and Deki isn't an established forward), but I don't have great confidence in them. I'm not saying they'll be bad by any means, but they might need to make improvements in the frontline next summer.

I like Udoge / Royal as a first choice pair, but the options behind them are deeply troubling to me. Davies has some of the speed/ 1v1 issues where I could see him getting eaten alive in Ange's system, Porro is an absolute trash fire defensively, and Spence is "gives you salmonella if you even look at him" level raw.
I don't see the problem with Davies at LB, especially if VDV is next to him. With Davies in the line, they might play a touch deeper to account for his speed but I think he'll make up for that with his conservative positioning and intelligence. I agree with you that the RB position is sketchy after Emerson. Maybe Japh stays to back it up and they look to move Porro? Keep in mind that Ange won't need to rotate because of the schedule. He'll rotate where there's quality options (MF and FWD), but I imagine we'll see a lot of Emerson at RB in the team sheet.

I think Levy's strategy at this point is to keep Kane, the team has a great season and qualifies for Champions League, and convinces Kane that Spurs can win things and he signs an extension.
I think Kane's gone. He didn't travel to Barca (I know that's ostensibly because his wife is very pregnant but still) and GBP90M is a price Spurs should take. Getting him away from the EPL also has to figure into that calculus. If they sell Kane, add Tapsoba, and maybe invest in another FWD to backup Richy (not sure if Veliz is ready for prime time), then I can get behind that. All that said, I agree with your logic and think Levy has a price in mind that if Bayern don't meet, he's OK with riding this season out.
 

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I don't see the problem with Davies at LB, especially if VDV is next to him. With Davies in the line, they might play a touch deeper to account for his speed but I think he'll make up for that with his conservative positioning and intelligence. I agree with you that the RB position is sketchy after Emerson. Maybe Japh stays to back it up and they look to move Porro? Keep in mind that Ange won't need to rotate because of the schedule. He'll rotate where there's quality options (MF and FWD), but I imagine we'll see a lot of Emerson at RB in the team sheet.
I think Davies is a smart defender positionally, but I worry about him one v. one and in space and this system feels like it will involve a lot of defending precisely that way. Maybe less so for him at LB and this os more of an LCB concern, I dunno.
 

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I think Davies is a smart defender positionally, but I worry about him one v. one and in space and this system feels like it will involve a lot of defending precisely that way. Maybe less so for him at LB and this os more of an LCB concern, I dunno.
Gentle Ben did not look good at LCB, but at FB he should be able to use positioning to his advantage more. I wouldn't worry about 1v1 defending on the wings too much since Ange will look to dominate the ball every match and I don't expect that we'll be sitting in low or even middle blocks much. In those setups, the traditional way to break a D down is to move the ball side to side quickly and create numerical mismatches or isolated 1v1s. That's what you seem most concerned about and I just don't think we'll find Ben in those situations much. Even then I would expect Ange's system to have overlapping defenders and the 6 and nearside 8 will know they're expected to step up if the FB gets beat. As a last resort the LCB should also be there, but typically that player will be marking someone.

Moreover, I think in Ange's system he expects the CBs to race back on through balls and win possession. The FBs are likely charged with stepping forward and trying to win the ball up higher if possible. At the end of the day, what's important is that the backline understands the system and get a feel for the way their teammates will react. So if VDV is a very front-foot defender, Ben should know that and if there's a ball played into a player standing between him and VDV that VDV will likely charge in, so he can recover towards goal and layer the D. Time will tell.
 

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Good point that Ange FBs will often be higher either like traditional fullbacks or like inverted CM fullbacks, so the real 1v1 transition stuff on balls over the top will be for CBs (Sorry Dier, been nice to know ya). It's hard to find a squad where Davies won't be a useful squad player I suppose.
 

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Good point that Ange FBs will often be higher either like traditional fullbacks or like inverted CM fullbacks, so the real 1v1 transition stuff on balls over the top will be for CBs (Sorry Dier, been nice to know ya). It's hard to find a squad where Davies won't be a useful squad player I suppose.
That's the way I feel about him and it's a testament to the player. I do think his best position is the LCB in a 3 but he's serviceable in a LB4 and probably a bit more so here because of the inverted FB setup you referenced.

And yeah, that's why Dav's looked so good and Dier...hasn't. Ange's system requires some big fast CBs and Dav's always had that in his toolkit. The fact that he looks confident on the ball too (at LCB no less!) is just mad though. Part of me wants to see him do it here and if Ange wishes it, let it be so. But man I think he would do well with a fresh start.
 

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As a Spurs fan, I'd love for them to keep Davinson as CB4ish. LCB, RCB, he could deputize at RB in emergency (as well as anyone else).

As a Davinson fan, I hope he moves and gets to be a CB1 somewhere and realizes his potential.
 

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Guardian says he gone.
Now he's deciding, and I will say if he decides not to at this point I'll be a bit upset (relatively speaking)--you wanted it, they finally agreed. If it's too late to move or whatever, I understand that, but you should've put that out there.
 

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I am also sad, at the tragic mismanagement that failed to capitalize on so many years of a transcendent player.

I am not mad, and wish Harrry the best. Just glad hes not on a EPL rival, just as I continued to love TB12, but it’d have been a lot tougher if he were a Jet or a Dolphin.
 

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Ah well. Not sure if I want him to crush it there Lewandoski style to cram it in the face of all the people who thought he was less thanbecause he was on Spurs, or if he should do fine, but Bayern mysteriously fail to win trophies.

Either way, I'll we waiting with baited breath for the awkward lederhosen photos in October, while being excited for fluid attacking, questionable defending, actually fun to watch football again.
 

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Ah well. Not sure if I want him to crush it there Lewandoski style to cram it in the face of all the people who thought he was less thanbecause he was on Spurs, or if he should do fine, but Bayern mysteriously fail to win trophies.

Either way, I'll we waiting with baited breath for the awkward lederhosen photos in October, while being excited for fluid attacking, questionable defending, actually fun to watch football again.
Regarding the bolded, I just want Spurs to win the FA cup or finish top 4. I want Harry to do well but Bayern to falter. I do want him to raise some hardware though, he deserves it.
 

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I just want Spurs to win one of the Cups this year to create a contrast with how important that feels relative to Bayern winning the league title that has essentially been handed to them already.

Its smart business getting $110M for a 30 year old with one year left and it appeases the sentimental side to make sure Kane won't play anywhere else in England, so I get it from Levy's perspective. I don't get it for Kane. Waiting a year for Real, Barca or United or even being Spurs Totti makes more sense to me than what he did.
 

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So is there any big splash Spurs can make in this transfer window with their newfound wealth? Or is it too late and replacements will have to wait until January?
 

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So is there any big splash Spurs can make in this transfer window with their newfound wealth? Or is it too late and replacements will have to wait until January?
Big splash? I doubt it.

Smart buys like Orban? Sure.
 

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I just want Spurs to win one of the Cups this year to create a contrast with how important that feels relative to Bayern winning the league title that has essentially been handed to them already.

Its smart business getting $110M for a 30 year old with one year left and it appeases the sentimental side to make sure Kane won't play anywhere else in England, so I get it from Levy's perspective. I don't get it for Kane. Waiting a year for Real, Barca or United or even being Spurs Totti makes more sense to me than what he did.
I think it's lame that Kane has been labeled as a loser for playing for Spurs, and that taking the easy path to go to Bayern and almost be guaranteed to win some things in seen be some as the more ambitious path.

That being said, it makes a ton of sense for Kane. He will be playing on a great team, surrounded by great players, with a great chance at winning the league this year and a fair chance at winning the UCL, two things that were not happening at Spurs. If it all goes right for him, he is looking at a chance to win a double or treble with Bayern, while probably potting 35-40 goals across all competitions, and being a serious Ballon d'or candidate.

Kane has been loyal to Tottenham in terms of being willing to stick by the club as long as he felt like they were real contenders for things. He signed his last contract and trusted the club to be in that position--what he was given was a revolving door of managers and poor transfers that took Spurs out of the running for major trophies, even though he himself maintained an elite level of play and even evolved into a more playmaking role to help the club. He's 30 now and extremely competitive, and Spurs unfortunately lost the benefit of the doubt in terms of being able to convince him to stay.
 

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I'm an American homer to the worst degree..... but:

1. Is there any chance that the bad guys next door will send Balogun our way? He seems like a very good fit for what Big Ange wants to do, with speed, solid finishing and really strong effort at the top of the defense. They clearly can't get Inter or other teams to jump at the price they want... but I can think of a teamw with money to spend that has a need. He seems like the perfect kind of guy to push Richarlison.

2. They need a 6. Adams is a very good 6 at not a very high price, especially with a bunch of offensive minded midfielders ahead of him. He's best when he can just focus on breaking up attacks and starting the ball out of the back. . Chelse and old dad just pissed it away with Adams, so he's there to be gotten. This seems like something Spurs should jump on.
 

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I'm an American homer to the worst degree..... but:

1. Is there any chance that the bad guys next door will send Balogun our way? He seems like a very good fit for what Big Ange wants to do, with speed, solid finishing and really strong effort at the top of the defense. They clearly can't get Inter or other teams to jump at the price they want... but I can think of a teamw with money to spend that has a need. He seems like the perfect kind of guy to push Richarlison.

2. They need a 6. Adams is a very good 6 at not a very high price, especially with a bunch of offensive minded midfielders ahead of him. He's best when he can just focus on breaking up attacks and starting the ball out of the back. . Chelse and old dad just pissed it away with Adams, so he's there to be gotten. This seems like something Spurs should jump on.
Both would be awesome.
But I don't see Arse dealing with is and for all of our challenges, another 6 doesn't seem an acute need.
 

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Cross post from the game thread.

Long story short I think if Spurs want to play Bissouma they need to sub Skipp for a more attacking player to get forward. Skipp did step into the attacking line a bit toward end of half but I just don’t think he carries the threat necessary
GLC needs to play in this spot. Or they need to sell him and buy someone to play in that spot. Or buy another 6 (Adams??, not giving up hope) and play Bissouma next to Madison in that spot.

My big takeaways from the day:

Good -
Quite the strike from a player I once labeled as "the least technically skilled Brazilian in the world."
Holy shit I think Spurs have two excellent fullbacks with Royal and Udogie. I really, really like both of these guys and they are both tough as hell. Destiny can certainly put his offensive aggressiveness to much better use, but they both can stop a man or the ball and I really liked the way both of them got forward.


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Am I the only asshole that turned away after Richarlison flubbed that chance near then end and thought "Kane buries that"? Harry would have scored 40 this year.

I am kind of sad that Perisic looked just as effective as Son out on the wing. I think the solution to both of these problems is either swapping Son & Richarlison or putting Son at the 9 and getting another winger.
 

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Am I the only asshole that turned away after Richarlison flubbed that chance near then end and thought "Kane buries that"? Harry would have scored 40 this year.

I am kind of sad that Perisic looked just as effective as Son out on the wing. I think the solution to both of these problems is either swapping Son & Richarlison or putting Son at the 9 and getting another winger.
You can watch 99.5% of the players out there and watch someone flub a shot and think Kane would have buried it. That's why he's Harry Kane.

I think Son deflated a bit after that weak penalty. He'll be fine. It's gonna take them time to figure out Maddison and Maddison to figure them out.
 

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I'm an American homer to the worst degree..... but:

1. Is there any chance that the bad guys next door will send Balogun our way? He seems like a very good fit for what Big Ange wants to do, with speed, solid finishing and really strong effort at the top of the defense. They clearly can't get Inter or other teams to jump at the price they want... but I can think of a teamw with money to spend that has a need. He seems like the perfect kind of guy to push Richarlison.

2. They need a 6. Adams is a very good 6 at not a very high price, especially with a bunch of offensive minded midfielders ahead of him. He's best when he can just focus on breaking up attacks and starting the ball out of the back. . Chelse and old dad just pissed it away with Adams, so he's there to be gotten. This seems like something Spurs should jump on.
Both would be awesome.
But I don't see Arse dealing with is and for all of our challenges, another 6 doesn't seem an acute need.
I identified Balogun as a terrific target for Spurs and Ange but then I saw his contract is owned by Arse and forgot about it immediately. It's a real shame too, Arse has been doing outstanding biz for the past 2-3 years.

Cross post from the game thread.

GLC needs to play in this spot. Or they need to sell him and buy someone to play in that spot. Or buy another 6 (Adams??, not giving up hope) and play Bissouma next to Madison in that spot.

My big takeaways from the day:

Good -

Holy shit I think Spurs have two excellent fullbacks with Royal and Udogie. I really, really like both of these guys and they are both tough as hell. Destiny can certainly put his offensive aggressiveness to much better use, but they both can stop a man or the ball and I really liked the way both of them got forward.

Bad-

Am I the only asshole that turned away after Richarlison flubbed that chance near then end and thought "Kane buries that"? Harry would have scored 40 this year.

I am kind of sad that Perisic looked just as effective as Son out on the wing. I think the solution to both of these problems is either swapping Son & Richarlison or putting Son at the 9 and getting another winger.
Fully agreed on this, although I will say that the final product is the last thing to come around. i.e., teams will work on denying the middle third of the park, but their focus will be on how Spurs want to beat them with the final ball, and those are the tightest spaces so I think we can expect improvement there. GLC should absolutely start over Skipp for the next match, but I think Ange was trying Skipp there because he thinks GLC is the best backup/sub for Maddy.

I've been banging this drum for awhile, but Son and Deki really aren't great fits for the wingers in this system. It's only preseason blah blah blah, but Solomon and Perisic looked just as good if not better. I think Spurs fans tend to overrate Deki, but I also recognize that this isn't an ideal role for him. I'd love to try him as an 8 and put Perisic or Solomon on and see how that goes. I think Son has to stay on for his finishing, either as the 9 or Ange needs to shift his system a bit so that both he and Richy are pressuring in behind the backline.
 

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I saw they had more passes in the opponents half against Brentford than for any game last season.
 

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I'm not that familiar with him, but what exactly is it about Vicario that made him the automatic #1 for this team and the replacement for Lloris? From what I can tell, his advanced stats are fairly mediocre, and he has two seasons under his belt for a lower-table Serie A team. I see that Empoli last year overperformed their xGA by 11 goals, which could be credited to above-average goal keeping, but I haven't really seen anything from Vicario to make me think he is ready for having one of the top 20 or so goalkeeping jobs in the world.
 

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I'm not that familiar with him, but what exactly is it about Vicario that made him the automatic #1 for this team and the replacement for Lloris? From what I can tell, his advanced stats are fairly mediocre, and he has two seasons under his belt for a lower-table Serie A team. I see that Empoli last year overperformed their xGA by 11 goals, which could be credited to above-average goal keeping, but I haven't really seen anything from Vicario to make me think he is ready for having one of the top 20 or so goalkeeping jobs in the world.
Seems to primarily have been the fact that Brentford were annoying about selling Raya, honestly.
 

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My eye tells me that he's got some elite athleticism and foot skills, and good-great shotstopping. He's probably about EPL average or slightly below on decision-making, and fairly weak on cutting out crosses and giving up rebounds. The context here is that he's a relatively late comer to the sport and he's still only 26--pretty young for a high level keeper these days. So this looks to me as buying a solid A-/B+ prospect in a rebuilding year, hoping he's a hit and they just nabbed a top 1/4 EPL keeper for relative peanuts, but with the understanding (hopefully) that they might be in the market again next summer. Like @Kliq , he's probably better suited to a backup role at a club like Spurs in a normal year, but I think they just fell in love with the upside of this value pickup and are willing to roll the dice this season. That's a bit surprising to me, as the club must've seen the effect of not qualifying for UCL/UEL, but perhaps they're really OK with a top 10-12 finish again and planning to compete more legitimately next year.
 

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That was light after 4 years of darkness. So refreshing and invigorating.

30m Bissouma is miles ahead of Caceido. Sarr is gonna shine and Vic looked great in the net.

Viva Ange-ball!
 

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Spurs kind of sucked for the first 30-35 minutes today and were fortunate not to be behind. United's press was giving them trouble and there were a lot of misplaced passes, poor touches, bad turnovers. The turning point was Bruno's missed header, if that goes in the match has a very different feel. But then they figured some things out in the build up structure to solve United's press and dominated the rest of the game.
 

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Also from Opta:

At the 75-minute mark, Spurs’ 20 touches in the opposition’s area for the second half was five times what United had managed
 

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I fucking love it.

The only bad news I saw yesterday was PEH playing over GLC. One of them has to go, one probably has to stay, I would really hope it is the Argentine.

Either way, I can't wait to add Betancour to Maddison and Bissouma, even if Sarr is looking really nice.
 

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It's amazing to me that Conte didn't rate Bissouma. He's been their best player the last two games, and his comfort on the ball in deep areas and ability to dribble through a press was something the team badly lacked last season.