Ha. Well if you include the 11th game - the disaster in Denver in 2005 - it’d look a lot worse.TD to Int ratio:
First 10: 14/3 21.4%
Last 10: 25/9 36%
Decline! He's way past his prime.
Ha. Well if you include the 11th game - the disaster in Denver in 2005 - it’d look a lot worse.TD to Int ratio:
First 10: 14/3 21.4%
Last 10: 25/9 36%
Decline! He's way past his prime.
Where else are you going to get hard hitting analysis like that?!Always going out on a limb, hey 8?
Roster turnover is generally about 30% per year I would say. If it were a random process you would have the classic coupon collector problem: For n roster spots you need about n log n instances of roster replacement before the team is completely refreshed. If n = 53 and each season we replace, say, 15 players, you are looking at a totally different team about every (53 * log( 53) ) / 15 = 6 seasons.I’m currently binge watching all of the Pats Super Bowl highlights and I am struck by how many players I barely remember on some of these teams including the 2014 team. Is there a list anywhere of the total number of Patriots who have won a ring? The number has to be pretty large.
It was my understanding that there would be no math.Roster turnover is generally about 30% per year I would say. If it were a random process you would have the classic coupon collector problem: For n roster spots you need about n log n instances of roster replacement before the team is completely refreshed. If n = 53 and each season we replace, say, 15 players, you are looking at a totally different team about every (53 * log( 53) ) / 15 = 6 seasons.
How about this group? I recognized 2 players without cheating.I’m currently binge watching all of the Pats Super Bowl highlights and I am struck by how many players I barely remember on some of these teams including the 2014 team. Is there a list anywhere of the total number of Patriots who have won a ring? The number has to be pretty large.
Below is the list of players selected in 2008 and 2016 between the pick that was taken away, and the Patriots' first selection each year:To say nothing of having been stripped of two first round draft picks for BS scandals.
Pick | Team | Player | Position |
31 | New York Giants | Kenny Phillips | S |
32 | Miami Dolphins | Phillip Merling | DE |
33 | St. Louis Rams | Donnie Avery | WR |
34 | Washington Redskins | Devin Thomas | WR |
35 | Kansas City Chiefs | Brandon Flowers | CB |
36 | Green Bay Packers | Jordy Nelson | WR |
37 | Atlanta Falcons | Curtis Lofton | LB |
38 | Seattle Seahawks | John Carlson | TE |
39 | San Francisco 49ers | Chilo Rachal | G |
40 | New Orleans Saints | Tracy Porter | CB |
41 | Buffalo Bills | James Hardy | WR |
42 | Denver Broncos | Eddie Royal | WR |
43 | Minnesota Vikings | Tyrell Johnson | S |
44 | Chicago Bears | Matt Forte | RB |
45 | Detroit Lions | Jordon Dizon | LB |
46 | Cincinnati Bengals | Jerome Simpson | WR |
47 | Philadelphia Eagles | Trevor Laws | DT |
48 | Washington Redskins | Fred Davis | TE |
49 | Philadelphia Eagles | DeSean Jackson | WR |
50 | Arizona Cardinals | Calais Campbell | DE |
51 | Washington Redskins | Malcolm Kelly | WR |
52 | Jacksonville Jaguars | Quentin Groves | DE |
53 | Pittsburgh Steelers | Limas Sweed | WR |
54 | Tennessee Titans | Jason Jones | DT |
55 | Baltimore Ravens | Ray Rice | RB |
56 | Green Bay Packers | Brian Brohm | QB |
57 | Miami Dolphins | Chad Henne | QB |
58 | Tampa Bay Buccaneers | Dexter Jackson | WR |
59 | Indianapolis Colts | Mike Pollak | C |
60 | Green Bay Packers | Patrick Lee | CB |
61 | Dallas Cowboys | Martellus Bennett | TE |
Pick | Team | Player | Position |
29 | Arizona Cardinals | Robert Nkemdiche | DT |
30 | Carolina Panthers | Vernon Butler | DT |
31 | Seattle Seahawks | Germain Ifedi | OT |
32 | Cleveland Browns | Emmanuel Ogbah | DE |
33 | Tennessee Titans | Kevin Dodd | OLB |
34 | Dallas Cowboys | Jaylon Smith | OLB |
35 | San Diego Chargers | Hunter Henry | TE |
36 | Jacksonville Jaguars | Myles Jack | OLB |
37 | Kansas City Chiefs | Chris Jones | DT |
38 | Miami Dolphins | Xavien Howard | CB |
39 | Tampa Bay Buccaneers | Noah Spence | DE |
40 | New York Giants | Sterling Shepard | WR |
41 | Buffalo Bills | Reggie Ragland | ILB |
42 | Baltimore Ravens | Kamalei Correa | LB |
43 | Tennessee Titans | Austin Johnson | DT |
44 | Oakland Raiders | Jihad Ward | DE |
45 | Tennessee Titans | Derrick Henry | RB |
46 | Detroit Lions | A'Shawn Robinson | DT |
47 | New Orleans Saints | Michael Thomas | WR |
48 | Green Bay Packers | Jason Spriggs | OT |
49 | Seattle Seahawks | Jarran Reed | DT |
50 | Houston Texans | Nick Martin | C |
51 | New York Jets | Christian Hackenberg | QB |
52 | Atlanta Falcons | Deion Jones | LB |
53 | Washington Redskins | Su'a Cravens | LB |
54 | Minnesota Vikings | Mackensie Alexander | CB |
55 | Cincinnati Bengals | Tyler Boyd | WR |
56 | Chicago Bears | Cody Whitehair | G |
57 | Indianapolis Colts | T. J. Green | CB |
58 | Pittsburgh Steelers | Sean Davis | S |
59 | Tampa Bay Buccaneers | Roberto Aguayo | K |
They were actually 4-0 against league MVP's if you count regular and post-season.And in 2003, they beat the co-MVPs in back-to-back games in the playoffs
I think when they finally did have to punt vs the Patriots the long snapper sent it way over the punter's head and he wound up kicking it out the back of the end zone. Just a complete defeat, one of my favorites as well. Was this also the game where Law had as many picks as Harrison had receptions?snip
AFCCG The owning of Manning. They had his giant-ass head confused as hell all game long. It was so wonderful to watch him whine, gesticulate, and completely fall apart.
This was especially impressive considering he was riding into Foxboro with a nearly perfect post-season QB passer rating.The Colts were on such an offensive roll that they in fact didn't even have to attempt a punt while strafing the Broncos and then the Chiefs the two weeks prior.
Yes and yes.I think when they finally did have to punt vs the Patriots the long snapper sent it way over the punter's head and he wound up kicking it out the back of the end zone. Just a complete defeat, one of my favorites as well. Was this also the game where Law had as many picks as Harrison had receptions?
That loss to Steve Spurrier's Washington squad remains one of the most inexplicable in the BB/TB12 era.snip
That is the only Brady/Belichick era Pats game I've seen in person. And it was the last loss before the record 21 game winning streak.That loss to Steve Spurrier's Washington squad remains one of the most inexplicable in the BB/TB12 era.
The D completely blew up the Colts on that play. Even if Willie misses somehow, 3 or 4 guys could have made the play. Warren and Ted Washington(one of the great one season Pats) totally pancaked their guys.38-34 vs. the Colts in Indy. Even though they gave up 34, we were in the beginning stages of the "Belichick is in Manning's head" era. This game is likely best remembered for Willie McGinest doing his best Al Czervik impersonation to buy the defense some time as the Colts were gashing the exhausted Patriots on a drive late in the 4th.
But after a miraculous recovery, made the final play on a tungsten-carbide strong goal line stand that finished the game.
So....you're not in Minnesota this weekend, right?That is the only Brady/Belichick era Pats game I've seen in person. And it was the last loss before the record 21 game winning streak.
Awesome recap. Brings back a lot of great memories. I was so lucky that this run came in stride with my college years. Same for the Sox 2004 season.They were actually 4-0 against league MVP's if you count regular and post-season.
I loved that 2003 team. That was when they were at peak defense. That was also when the AFC was at its peak level of dominance over the NFC, and the Patriots were Alpha- Dominator. The Patriots played a brutal schedule yet still went 14-2. They pitched 3 shut-outs at home that year.
Other highlights in no particular order were:
Sweeping the the Dolphins in two memorable games. The 1st in week 7 in Miami on that bomb to Troy Brown in OT (that place was, and still is to some extent a house of horrors for New England), and the 2nd was a shut-out during a blizzard at Gillette that caused this iconic snow celebration.
They also clinched the division.
In week 14.
Which is crazy.
The Dolphins were really good that year at 10-6 yet didn't qualify for the playoffs. Like I said above, the AFC was really friggin' good in 2003.
Beating those God Damn Broncos in Mile High. The game with the intentional safety. The defense needed a 3 and out after that, and back in aught 3, you just knew that they were going to get it, and they got it. They took the lead when Brady threw a gorgeous 18 yard TD pass to David Givens with 30 seconds to go. Either Givens was going to catch it or no-one was, the ball was placed perfectly. Deltha O'Neal never had a chance.
David Givens was not a fast man by NFL standards, but he caught EVERYTHING that season. His hands were football magnets.
Sweeping the Jets, including a 5 interception effort on the road in the Meadowlands. The biggest moment of that game happened on the sidelines of course...
38-34 vs. the Colts in Indy. Even though they gave up 34, we were in the beginning stages of the "Belichick is in Manning's head" era. This game is likely best remembered for Willie McGinest doing his best Al Czervik impersonation to buy the defense some time as the Colts were gashing the exhausted Patriots on a drive late in the 4th.
But after a miraculous recovery, made the final play on a tungsten-carbide strong goal line stand that finished the game.
38-30 over Tennessee at Gillette. This was big, because it was coming off of their loss to the Redskins(!!?!) in week 4. Of course they wouldn't lose again until they faced Pittsburgh in late October 2004, but this was a .500 team heading into this game with many question marks, and injuries piling up. Ty Law took a 65 yard interception to the shack late in the 4th giving them a lead they wouldn't give up.
Ty Law was without question the best cornerback in the league that season. The Law, as written in 2003, stated that half of the field was off limits to opposing passing games that season (OK, that was cheesy).
AFC Divisional Round, the Antarctic playoff match-up with Tennessee. Adam Vinatieri just barely cleared the crossbar on what would have been just about any other kicker's most memorable career field goal, but this was like 3rd or 4th best for him. It was an 11 below wind chill and that football must have felt like kicking an oblong shot-put. He put it through from 46 yards.
AFCCG The owning of Manning. They had his giant-ass head confused as hell all game long. It was so wonderful to watch him whine, gesticulate, and completely fall apart.
This was especially impressive considering he was riding into Foxboro with a nearly perfect post-season QB passer rating. The Colts were on such an offensive roll that they in fact didn't even have to attempt a punt while strafing the Broncos and then the Chiefs the two weeks prior.
Superbowl XXXVIII, we know how that one turned out.
So, two things.
1. I obviously have a little bit of time on my hands at work.
2. The 2003 team dragged nearly all of their opponents into their chamber of torture of great defense and timely plays. God I loved that version of the Patriots.
I was also at this game and if I remember correctly the Pats were down two scores going into the fourth quarter, scored a TD, and Brady was driving them for the winning score when he threw a pick. I was convinced they were going to win that game.That is the only Brady/Belichick era Pats game I've seen in person. And it was the last loss before the record 21 game winning streak.
That's the way I remember it.I was also at this game and if I remember correctly the Pats were down two scores going into the fourth quarter, scored a TD, and Brady was driving them for the winning score when he threw a pick. I was convinced they were going to win that game.
I actually was in Houston for SB 38. I had a work trip to Galveston the following Monday and once they made it I switched my hotel and got in Friday. I hung around the ambiance in Houston for the weekend but was not prepared to drop close to $2K for the ticket so watched in a Pats hotel bar (not the team hotel).So....you're not in Minnesota this weekend, right?
I'm gonna take that as a "no"...I actually was in Houston for SB 38. I had a work trip to Galveston the following Monday and once they made it I switched my hotel and got in Friday. I hung around the ambiance in Houston for the weekend but was not prepared to drop close to $2K for the ticket so watched in a Pats hotel bar (not the team hotel).
Close. They got the score to draw within 17-20 with 2:14 remaining. The D got a 3-and-out with the benefit of two incompletions, and got the ball back to Brady on the plus-45, with 1:39 and 1 timeout remaining.I was also at this game and if I remember correctly the Pats were down two scores going into the fourth quarter, scored a TD, and Brady was driving them for the winning score when he threw a pick. I was convinced they were going to win that game.
Yeah, I was pretty drunk so I went back to look at the game files and saw that it was turned over on downs. I also think that Colvin was injured and put on IR about this time. It may have taken them a little time to completely adjust. It was a pretty big loss.Close. They got the score to draw within 17-20 with 2:14 remaining. The D got a 3-and-out with the benefit of two incompletions, and got the ball back to Brady on the plus-45, with 1:39 and 1 timeout remaining.
Piece of cake for 2017 Brady. 2017 Brady rips out the heart of the Redskins, easily moving those 45 yards for the win (or surely at least 10 for the tie) while cautiously leaving only a few seconds for them to answer.
Unfortunately, 2003 Brady went Incomplete, 5-yard pass to Branch, 2-yard run up the middle (?!), and then an incompletion to Graham on 4th and 3 for a turnover on downs. I have to question that 3rd-down call by Weis.
Close. They got the score to draw within 17-20 with 2:14 remaining. The D got a 3-and-out with the benefit of two incompletions, and got the ball back to Brady on the plus-45, with 1:39 and 1 timeout remaining.
Piece of cake for 2017 Brady. 2017 Brady rips out the heart of the Redskins, easily moving those 45 yards for the win (or surely at least 10 for the tie) while cautiously leaving only a few seconds for them to answer.
Unfortunately, 2003 Brady went Incomplete, 5-yard pass to Branch, 2-yard run up the middle (?!), and then an incompletion to Graham on 4th and 3 for a turnover on downs. I have to question that 3rd-down call by Weis.
I thought there was something about the 4th down play. I was thinking that Graham was open and Brady just missed him. I looked online and couldn't find any description of the play.IIRC Brady had a wide open Larry Centers on either the 1st or 4th down play and made a bad decision
I thought there was something about the 4th down play. I was thinking that Graham was open and Brady just missed him. I looked online and couldn't find any description of the play.
I assume it’s posted next to the entrance they bring free agents in through.I’m currently binge watching all of the Pats Super Bowl highlights and I am struck by how many players I barely remember on some of these teams including the 2014 team. Is there a list anywhere of the total number of Patriots who have won a ring? The number has to be pretty large.
Yeah that's it. It was a fairly long pass to Graham and they were close to being in FG range for the tie already. Even the Washington fans were convinced they were going to lose.
Boom. Centers looked pretty damn open on 4th and 3
Their first loss by a FG or less. Prior to that they were 6-0. Now they are 34-12 if I reckon correctly.That loss to Steve Spurrier's Washington squad remains one of the most inexplicable in the BB/TB12 era.
I'm not a fan. Give yourself two shots. If it's 3rd-and-20 and you have to go for it on fourth, sure, try to pick up half the yardage, but a 4th-and-2 isn't so much easier than 4th-and-5 that it's a good use of a down. It's like the sac bunt of football.I'm a big fan of the run of 3rd and medium when you know you will go for it on 4th down.
egads, I had forgotten about Brady's Shemp haircut in his profile pic that year.
Boom. Centers looked pretty damn open on 4th and 3
But this goes beyond the score line: During the Jacksonville game, three of the four fastest Patriots plays happened in the fourth quarter, including Dion Lewis’s fourth-quarter run (17.6 miles per hour) to gain a first down and seal the game
I've adopted a philosophy of coaching over the years that mirrors this approach - sport-and-situation-specific conditioning. Running suicides in basketball, for example, or laps - that does help you get into better general shape, but at no point in basketball will you perform a suicide or run a lap around the court. So my conditioning drills are mainly lots and lots of fast break drills (added benefit of working on skills that you actually use in a game), as well as high intensity half court work - ball handling under pressure, half court trapping drills, etc. Sprinting in and out of every drill. That kind of thing. At the level I coach it probably doesn't matter too much, but I can absolutely see how it can make a difference for the Patriots.Ringer article about how the Pats like to run. In practice.
https://www.theringer.com/nfl-playoffs/2018/1/30/16949762/super-bowl-new-england-patriots-fourth-quarter-comebacks-running-conditioning
Great article. I could really visualize Belichick-the-savant in this passage:Ringer article about how the Pats like to run. In practice.
https://www.theringer.com/nfl-playoffs/2018/1/30/16949762/super-bowl-new-england-patriots-fourth-quarter-comebacks-running-conditioning
Insert Emperor-from-Star-Wars meme here.Belichick, of course, loves making his players run, but not because of some drill-sergeant mentality. No, he loves how it helps his team win. Last month, he raved about the offensive line’s conditioning and offered an odd breakdown of how he evaluates the team’s running: “I stand right there when they run and I can feel them run by. I mean, I’m not timing them, but I can feel when they’re running fast. I can feel when they’re not running fast. I can feel when they’re breathing heavy. I can feel when they recover quickly.”
I don't think Emperor-from-Star-Wars is right. More Mr. Miyagi.Great article. I could really visualize Belichick-the-savant in this passage:
Insert Emperor-from-Star-Wars meme here.