grimshaw said:Fuck Donnie Baseball. There are like 15 guys ahead of him. There's no reason to keep him on the ballot going forward if that's his thinking.
Seriously though, I guarantee you he doesn't have Pedro on because of his win total, and he has Smoltz (deservedly) in because they are colleagues.
moondog80 said:
He doesn't have Randy Johnson either, and there's not even a convoluted reason to leave him off. He's done/said some stupid stuff in the past but in this case, it's tactical voting, as described above.
JohntheBaptist said:
McGriff and Mattingly but no Clemens?
It's a shitty ballot.
moondog80 said:
I'm pretty sure he doesn't actually think Clemens was worse than those guys.
Bonds but no Clemens is the weird one. But again, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and assume there's a logic there, and the crowded ballot plays a role.
JohntheBaptist said:
Why did he vote for them and not Clemens then? Would love to hear a scenario where that makes sense.
It's not the "weird one," it's the one that makes it a shitty ballot. Not sure from where or why you're drawing your benefit of the doubt considering both the source and that the ballot doesn't really make any sense, but rock on I guess.
Bob Montgomery's Helmet Hat said:Johnson, Pedro, Smoltz, Biggio
E5 Yaz said:
Actually, the "strategic" voting was what they discussed as these hypothetical ballots were made known. But, yeah, no Clemens or Bagwell is a strange one
Red(s)HawksFan said:Just to be clear with the discussion about Harold Reynolds' ballot...he doesn't actually have a vote. He's not a member of the BBWAA.
Costas agrees that's low for himsoxhop411 said:
October is a pretty big difference in this case.Merkle's Boner said:Surprised Schiling got 80 more votes than Mussina. Not a lot of difference between them, save October.
soxhop411 said:
Some two New Yorkers whose happiest moments include 2003 ALCS game 7?drleather2001 said:Nomar got 30 votes!
Who are the two fucksticks from NYC that voted for Aaron Boone?
That's true of course. Still, Mussina's got a long way to go. Thought the win total would give him more votes from the Old Guard.adam42381 said:October is a pretty big difference in this case.
E5 Yaz said:
soxhop411 said:
Wut.....
So, assuming Erstad's mom changes her vote from Darin to Piazza, Piazza gets in? How did Mrs. Erstadt get a vote anyhow?TheGazelle said:Full results from Pseufighter's link:
Votes Player Percentage
534 Randy Johnson 97.3%
500 Pedro Martinez 91.1%
455 John Smoltz 82.9%
454 Craig Biggio 82.7%
384 Mike Piazza 69.9%
306 Jeff Bagwell 55.7%
302 Tim Raines 55.0%
215 Curt Schilling 39.2%
206 Roger Clemens 37.5%
202 Barry Bonds 36.8%
166 Lee Smith 30.2%
148 Edgar Martinez 27.0%
138 Alan Trammell 25.1%
135 Mike Mussina 24.6%
77 Jeff Kent 14.0%
71 Fred McGriff 12.9%
65 Larry Walker 11.8%
64 Gary Sheffield 11.7%
55 Mark McGwire 10.0%
50 Don Mattingly 9.1%
36 Sammy Sosa 6.6%
30 Nomar Garciaparra 5.5%
21 Carlos Delgado 3.8%
4 Troy Percival 0.7%
2 Aaron Boone 0.4%
2 Tom Gordon 0.4%
1 Darin Erstad 0.2%
0 Rich Aurilia 0.0%
0 Tony Clark 0.0%
0 Jermaine Dye 0.0%
0 Cliff Floyd 0.0%
0 Brian Giles 0.0%
0 Eddie Guardado 0.0%
0 Jason Schmidt 0.0%
Yaz4Ever said:So, assuming Erstad's mom changes her vote from Darin to Piazza, Piazza gets in? How did Mrs. Erstadt get a vote anyhow?
Other than that, it doesn't appear that the real throw away votes (Erstad, Gordon, Boone, and Percival) affected the outcome.
Mattingly's 50 votes need to go somewhere next year - Bagwell and Raines splitting them would be fine with me.
When can people stop voting for Trammell?
Next year. He retired in '96.Yaz4Ever said:So, assuming Erstad's mom changes her vote from Darin to Piazza, Piazza gets in? How did Mrs. Erstadt get a vote anyhow?
Other than that, it doesn't appear that the real throw away votes (Erstad, Gordon, Boone, and Percival) affected the outcome.
Mattingly's 50 votes need to go somewhere next year - Bagwell and Raines splitting them would be fine with me.
When can people stop voting for Trammell?
drleather2001 said:Nomar got 30 votes!
Who are the two fucksticks from NYC that voted for Aaron Boone?
Spacemans Bong said:I'd love to hear some reasoning from the other 66% of voters on Piazza. He's a white guy who played in New York, that should theoretically help him. I'm certain Pedro lost votes from 75 year old ex-New York sportswriters who thought he was an uppity so-and-so.