I watched Petrovic live as well and I agree with Kid T's assessment. He wasn't that well rounded.
Petrovic was an excellent distributor from the 2 as well to being as great a 3-point shooter who ever played the game. What he lacked in natural defensive ability he made up for with effort, energy, and instincts. I feel you are REALLY underrated Drazen.....I lean toward Big John on the evauluation.I watched him live - he was a SG with a deadly outside shot. He wasn't an incredible defender, rebounder, or distributor.
But here is a scouting report: http://www.nba.com/history/players/petrovic_bio.html
As for Doncic: http://fansided.com/2016/07/26/luka-doncic-scouting-report-real-madrid/
Your posts lack substance and thought - try doing some research and stop with the lazy comparisons.
He averaged under 2.5 rebound and 2.5 assists for his career. Maybe he *could* do it all, but he didn't do it all in the NBA.The scouting report on Doncic to which you refer is dated. Watch some film of him this year with Real Madrid. As for Petrovic, I watched him live too. He could do it all.
Half of Petrovic's total "Games Played" were in his first two seasons when he averaged 14 mpg so using per game averages really isn't a fair gauge. He certainly wasn't a great rebounder but this is the first time I've ever heard Drazen discussed as a one-dimensional offensive player.He averaged under 2.5 rebound and 2.5 assists for his career. Maybe he *could* do it all, but he didn't do it all in the NBA.
I think the Pistol Pete comparisons are apt for Doncic, but the Petrovic ones don't really move me.Half of Petrovic's total "Games Played" were in his first two seasons when he averaged 14 mpg so using per game averages really isn't a fair gauge. He certainly wasn't a great rebounder but this is the first time I've ever heard Drazen discussed as a one-dimensional offensive player.
Pistol Pete was a .667 3P shooter so sign me up.
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Digression: actually the Celtics team that was in training camp in 1980 -i.e. the championship team plus Maravich and Cowens - -would be an interesting match for the GSW if you told Bird and Maravich to go ahead and let it fly.
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Bird Parish Cowens
Maxwell Robey McHale
Archibald Carr
Maravich Ford
Henderson
The thing about three point shooting in that era is that guys mostly took them when the shot clock was running down or they needed to make a comeback. There were not many plays drawn up to specifically get a three point look and the rule was that if you were open on the perimeter and had nobody within ten feet of you, you dribbled in and took the shorter shot. Whenever someone's attempts and percentage go down like that, for that era it's usually the case.Maybe Bill Fitch told him to stop shooting them? His attempts were way down too.
The thing about Doncic is that he isn't a blow-by guard.....just as Fultz and Ball are not either. All 3 play a controlled high IQ game. In the case of Ball and Doncic they look to distribute first whereas Fultz also does but he uses his dribble primarily for separation to free up his lethal jumper.Petrovic was also a legendary competitor. It is no knock on anybody to say they may not have his desire or fire. What Doncic is doing in that league is crazy for kid that age.
It is really hard to scout perimeter guys across leagues, levels. A guy moves up a level and sometimes a part of his game disappears, there are just things he can no longer do. The unknown for Doncic for me is athleticism. If he can't blow by NBA guards he may be limited, if he can well now we have something special. Will he get more hops with age, or develop an between repertoire of runners to allow him to finish in the key? These are questions that can only be answered when he faces some of these players. But that's man's league, tough to imagine he won't be something.
I'm fully on Team Ayton as well. Full credit to nighthob for being an early adopter. I think he fits what this team needs like a glove. Of course, I'd also be fine with "settling" for Doncic, Porter, or Bamba.I mentioned this late in a game thread several days ago, but just wanted to repeat here that I've been watching YouTubes of the 2018 prospects named in this thread lately. And OMG am I in love with Ayton more than anyone else. He looks like he has raw Olajuwon-like skills but with a perimeter game. And he's already begun to physically fill out his frame, which is rare for a 7-footer in high school.
Please, Nets, please do your job!
Also, I think it might be interesting to continue our brief discussion in the game thread here, regarding possible prospects (HS juniors) who might be added to the 2018 draft pool if Silver scratches the 1-and-done rule this season.
I am NOT on that Bol Bol train, despite the outstanding name.
Exactly. The good thing is as essentially a HS Junior or Senior he was able to do this at times against NBA players.In the highlights he is going by guys in transition a lot. He is turning the corner in the half court. If those things are harder to do, or taken away it changes his effectiveness a lot.
It's why a lot of these guys end up being considered disappointments as college freshman. At the very least, they lose a lot of their prospect shine the minute they play college ball.I don't see how you guys get anything from watching HS basketball. The physical mismatches created by NBA prospects (especially bigs) are absurd. Seems harder to read than summer league ball.
Personally, I'm focusing on his actual skills in a vacuum as much as possible, and not so much how he performs relative to the players around him. Obviously, it's not as impressive for a 7 footer to be swatting HS kids half his size or blowing by others who haven't reached puberty yet, but you can still see how much athletic ability and polish they have. No, it's not perfect. Still, I don't know how you can watch a video of Ayton dribbling, shooting threes, putting a soft touch on turn around jump hooks, rebounding, and dunking and not be excited by what you see.I don't see how you guys get anything from watching HS basketball. The physical mismatches created by NBA prospects (especially bigs) are absurd. Seems harder to read than summer league ball.
Additionally, a lot of the top HS teams play each other nowadays so we've already gotten to see Ayton vs. Bamba, for instance. Clearly, you don't gain much by watching Ayton vs. teams whose center is 6'5 but he has shown his skills against some legit talent already.Personally, I'm focusing on his actual skills in a vacuum as much as possible, and not so much how he performs relative to the players around him. Obviously, it's not as impressive for a 7 footer to be swatting HS kids half his size or blowing by others who haven't reached puberty yet, but you can still see how much athletic ability and polish they have. No, it's not perfect. Still, I don't know how you can watch a video of Ayton dribbling, shooting threes, putting a soft touch on turn around jump hooks, rebounding, and dunking and not be excited by what you see.
Luckily we get to see this batch for one more year, at least.
This.Personally, I'm focusing on his actual skills in a vacuum as much as possible, and not so much how he performs relative to the players around him. Obviously, it's not as impressive for a 7 footer to be swatting HS kids half his size or blowing by others who haven't reached puberty yet, but you can still see how much athletic ability and polish they have. No, it's not perfect. Still, I don't know how you can watch a video of Ayton dribbling, shooting threes, putting a soft touch on turn around jump hooks, rebounding, and dunking and not be excited by what you see.
Luckily we get to see this batch for one more year, at least.
I don't think #1/#2, but the Bulls did have #2/#3 and went Tyson Chandler/Eddy Curry. Hopefully this would work out better than that did.Has a team ever had the first 2 picks in the NBA draft? I'm guessing it's moot since they are probably trading the LAL/Kings pick anyway.
I don't know anything other than the dunks. But great holy hell, the dunks...I've only seen YouTube clips of Zion. What are peoples' thoughts on him? He's such a unique player in that he has great athleticism but his lower body is so thick. It's like he's Rodney Rogers with LeBron's explosiveness. His jump shot seemed decent enough but I wasn't able to get a good sense of his defense outside of weak side shot blocking and no idea on his passing. However, the raw athleticism and tenacity is incredibly intriguing. Just not sure what he ultimately is at the NBA level.
Ha, my thoughts exactly. Maybe sprinkle in some Shawn Kemp. Surprising athleticism for someone his size, very comfortable handling the ball. But I need to see him against better competition. Most of the kids I saw him play against in highlights won't be sniffing D1, let alone the NBA. He's just way too big for almost everyone he's playing against right now.I don't know anything other than the dunks. But great holy hell, the dunks...
Young Larry Johnson comes to mind,in terms of body-type. Then again, so does Anthony Bennett.
Yup. I play squash and at my level we're all weekend warriors. Every now and then I play a middle aged guy with a thick beer belly who can run like crazy. All I can think is "how fast would that guy be if he weren't so fat?" That's also how I feel watching the Zion videos.Zion looks like Mike Sweetney on steroids or maybe a young Robert Traylor. His thick body is a red flag.
He's clearly a virtual clone of the overweight, beneath-the-rim, 18 year old BBQ Sweets. Congratulations, you win the donkey prize.Zion looks like Mike Sweetney on steroids or maybe a young Robert Traylor. His thick body is a red flag.
I wholly agree with this, which is why I said that he was a guy I could see developing well on a good vet team where he'd be free to develop his game and forced to earn his minutes. If he ends up on a typical lottery team I'd be dubious of him hitting his ceiling.The stuff I have seen from Williamson are big dunks and him dribbling through tiny defenders like they were traffic cones. I see a great athlete but I'm not sure I see a truly gifted basketball player yet. He's a kid so he'll refine those skills and he has a great, athletic base to be a good player but right now I don't think he is as good of a prospect as a more skilled player like Michael Porter Jr.
I'm not sure how good he'll be in college, he reminds me a bit of how Seventh Woods dominated his classmates. I think he's a better prospect due to his size, but I'm very curious to see how he handles tougher competition.I wholly agree with this, which is why I said that he was a guy I could see developing well on a good vet team where he'd be free to develop his game and forced to earn his minutes. If he ends up on a typical lottery team I'd be dubious of him hitting his ceiling.
Sounds like his half brother has an ax to grind. Either way, I'm sure the NCAA will be investigating this allegation until, say, early to mid March 2018 and then conclude that nothing happened.http://beta.barstoolsports.com/barstoolu/five-star-mo-bamba-reported-to-the-ncaa-by-his-brother-in-bizarre-video/
Mo Bamba could miss the season?
Possible NCAA violation reported by his brother
Just to follow-up, NBC sports reported that Love's 9-year relationship with Bamba has been investigated and cleared by the NCAA.I know some people who know Greer Love and they are all very skeptical that he did something wrong.