The 2024 San Francisco 49ers

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It is very hard to say that I (or the fan base in general) is suffering with the Niners when they have 5 Lombardi trophies and have been to 4 out of 5 NFCCG, plus have made 3 Super Bowls in the last 4 years, and are expected to contend big time again. But man those are some heart breaking losses.

On tap for 2024
1. (done) Sign a new DC. They have promoted from within by promoting Nick Sorensen to Defensive Coordinator. They have also hired Staley as assistant Head Coach. Let's see how that goes. I liked Wilks but there were some compatibility issues that hurt defensive production. Plus no one was happy when he called the defense from the booth and Shanahan had to basically yank him down to the sideline during the bye week.

2. Extend Brandon Ayiuk. I think this is a priority, the guy showed his capability to be a # 1 receiver. He will be expensive but let's see how they make this work.

3. Deal with the Dre Greenlaw injury. This was a devastating blow to their Super Bowl chances, but it extends into the 2024 season as well. We talked about the effect on the game on the Super Bowl thread so I won't rehash it here, but he could be out until November and that creates a huge hole in the defense. It was something that did not have on their original list of needs going into the offseason.

4. Improve the OL. Will there be good talent left by the time their 1st round pick comes around? Otherwise can they lure a premium FA? They also have to consider that Trent Williams's shelf life is limited.

5. Ace the draft. Thiy have whiffed on far too many picks in the last 2-3 years, they need to to do better so they can replace some players and have rookie contracts to work with.

With the unexpected cap increase, plus the deals they can work out, the Niners can get it done. But they need to draft better. Purdy will go into year # 3 of his rookie contract but at some point they have to pay him.

Looks like an eventful offseason.
 

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honely u have to win it all next season because if u dont u will get pass by and in 24 u have to worry about DET GB and the RAMS my big q is say u go 12-5 13-4 the next 2-3 years but kyle does not win the big one and lynch wants to keep him what do u do purdy is a 40-45 mil a year QB this comes back to when kyle and lynch first got the job and turned up their nose at mahomes for k couiouns had mahomes not turned into the best qb post bardy they are looking at at least 2 rings and likely 1-2 more no sb win this upcomeing season and u are the 90's billis but played much better in the big games
 

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plus have made 3 Super Bowls in the last 4 years, and are expected to contend big time again. But man those are some heart breaking losses.
1 Super Bowl in the last four years, no? And 2 in the last 5 years and 3 in the last 12. A good run but 3 out of 4 is reserved for KC and only KC.
 

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Their recent run feels quite similar to the 2005-2013 Patriots. A couple SB appearances, both heartbreaking losses to the same team, a couple other playoff heartbreaks.
 

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1 Super Bowl in the last four years, no? And 2 in the last 5 years and 3 in the last 12. A good run but 3 out of 4 is reserved for KC and only KC.
He probably meant Championship Games.

Niners have been in 3 of 4 NFC championship games (and 4 of the last 5).
 

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Arik Armstead released; didn't want to rework his contract. I believe he would have been north of $25MM this coming year, which is a boatload for a guy that is nearly a lock to miss 5-7 games.
 

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Arik Armstead released; didn't want to rework his contract. I believe he would have been north of $25MM this coming year, which is a boatload for a guy that is nearly a lock to miss 5-7 games.
Yeah, but now the DL really needs work, either through the draft or free agency.
 

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OK, reviving this

The Niners have since re signed Aiyuk (after all the drama he signed what was originally offered) and it looks like they have reached agreement with Trent Williams (been repported everywhere and his agent has said as much but still pending a final confirmation/signing)

They drafted a very good WR, who sadly made the news after being shot in a robbery attempt (being discussed in its own thread) so let-s where that goes.

Dre Greenlaw is out a minimum of 4 games and most probably more.

Overall, the Niners have emerged as favorites to reach and maybe win the Superbowl but it's early. We never know.
 

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Not a bad start to the season. I was thrilled to see Mason get his shot (even if very concerned about CMC's health). He really could have been used a lot more last season to spell CMC and I hope once CMC is healthy KS starts mixing in Mason a lot more both situationally and late in games when they're looking to chew up the clock. Keep the miles off CMC's odometer. The defense looked pretty solid, but tough to say definitively as they weren't playing vintage Rodgers out there. The offense didn't get in the end zone nearly enough, but still -- they scored on 8 consecutive drives. Not bad considering Trent Williams and Brandon Aiyuk only rejoined the team this last week. From here it's the Vikings on the road, Rams on the road, Pats at home, Cardinals at home, and then the Seahawks on the road. That's a bunch of winnable games before they square off with the Chiefs.
 

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Because I have CMC on my fantasy team, you’re assured to see lots of Mason and not very much of McCaffrey. LOL

But SF looks solid in every area and once again will be a very tough team to beat. Can they get over the hump though? That’s the question.
 

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I think the degense played a very good game, after some adjustments.

The offense was very good. The OL provided good coverage but Purdy missed some throws he did not miss last year. Plus Aiyuk not having a full training camp showed (he should have caught at least one TD he missed)
But overall, they moved the ball really well against a very solid defense.
 

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I think the degense played a very good game, after some adjustments.

The offense was very good. The OL provided good coverage but Purdy missed some throws he did not miss last year. Plus Aiyuk not having a full training camp showed (he should have caught at least one TD he missed)
But overall, they moved the ball really well against a very solid defense.
They had 8 straight scoring drives (lots of FGs tho) against what could be a top 3 defensive unit this year without their best offensive player. It was pretty impressive. Shanny definitely knows how to set an offense up for success.
 

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I have achilles tendinitis, and I can tell you for a fact that it sucks, it never goes away, and it is painful. Very difficult to manage.
I used to aggravate mine every year playing softball, and it would take a solid 3-6 months for it to feel better after the end of the season. Granted I am 20+ years older than CMC, but it still sucked when I was a younger fella.
I wish the best for him, I know there are some treatments available that might help over time.
 

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So far they have

Lost CMC for the foreseeable future
Deebo is out a couple of weeks
Kittle was out last week and who knows for how long
And yet it took a defensive meltdown (plus some key dropped passes) for them to lose to the Rams.

Oh and now Hragrave is out.

On the bright side, it loks like Huafanga is coming back and Greenlaw may be back by mid season.

And Brock Purdy is showing more and more that he's a great QB and not a Shanahan/good WRs product.
 

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Must be so annoying rooting for a team this talented but which is never fully healthy.
 

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They were pretty healthy last year all the way to the end and the year before, until all the QBs got hurt against Philly.
Except they did lose Greenlaw in the Super Bowl and (like you mentioned) Purdy and Johnson the year before. And they lost Trey Lance and then Jimmy G the year before (bessing in disguise I know but ot looked bleak then).
 

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Except they did lose Greenlaw in the Super Bowl and (like you mentioned) Purdy and Johnson the year before. And they lost Trey Lance and then Jimmy G the year before (bessing in disguise I know but ot looked bleak then).
It's fair to say losing Lance and Jimmy G is the best thing to happen to this franchise since Montana.

Greenlaw injury fucking sucked. The most random thing you'll ever see on the football field and I'm still mad about it. I say this as someone who had a huge bet on SF in the Super Bowl.
 

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Ridiculously, I don't think the offensive injuries even matter all that much. I'm at the point that I really do think Purdy can carry to team for a while, he's that good.

Mason is more than serviceable and Jennings has done nothing but produce every time he steps on the field.

But Hargrave hurts. Greenlaw not back for many more games is killer (the other LBs outside Warner are not good). The defense, which carried the Jimmy G teams is falling apart, and the hard part of the schedule is still is coming.
 

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So far they have

Lost CMC for the foreseeable future
Deebo is out a couple of weeks
Kittle was out last week and who knows for how long
And yet it took a defensive meltdown (plus some key dropped passes) for them to lose to the Rams.

Oh and now Hragrave is out.

On the bright side, it loks like Huafanga is coming back and Greenlaw may be back by mid season.

And Brock Purdy is showing more and more that he's a great QB and not a Shanahan/good WRs product.
And Aiyuk is still not performing. What's up with him? He had 10 targets, caught 5 and didn't get 50 yards. Maybe he's just not as good as he thinks he is?
 

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But Hargrave hurts. Greenlaw not back for many more games is killer (the other LBs outside Warner are not good). The defense, which carried the Jimmy G teams is falling apart, and the hard part of the schedule is still is coming.
I mean, the Patriots are good, but you guys might have a chance this weekend.

Unless Vederian Lowe comes back. Then you guys are fucked.
 
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And Aiyuk is still not performing. What's up with him? He had 10 targets, caught 5 and didn't get 50 yards. Maybe he's just not as good as he thinks he is?
he’s not as good as people think he is. He’s very good. But he’s not Jefferson, AJ Brown, Chase good. And he definitely looks rusty and out of sync from missing time.
 

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he’s not as good as people think he is. He’s very good. But he’s not Jefferson, AJ Brown, Chase good. And he definitely looks rusty and out of sync from missing time.
I said this in the game thread. Aiyuk is much better than what he has shown, but mybe not elite.

Yet, he did nit force the Niners to offer more, the offer was there all along,. It looks like WRs are getting paid now and that market will keep going up. BTW whatever we thought Purdy was getting, he’s getting more.
 

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he’s not as good as people think he is. He’s very good. But he’s not Jefferson, AJ Brown, Chase good. And he definitely looks rusty and out of sync from missing time.
He is a tier 2 guy at best and will never be a tier 1 guy imo.

And overall the amount of injuries taking place just screams about how light and passive training camps have become today. It is clearly affecting the sport in a negative way imo.
 

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Injuries to guys who can catch the ball like Deebo and Kittle kind of forced Shanny to play Ronnie Bell, who dropped a ball my grandmother would have caught and about killed a drive. I know the Rams had their star receivers out too.
 

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He is a tier 2 guy at best and will never be a tier 1 guy imo.

And overall the amount of injuries taking place just screams about how light and passive training camps have become today. It is clearly affecting the sport in a negative way imo.
Who knows what data you can trust anymore, but apparently injuries are actually down. Not concussions, though. Brains continue to be scrambled at a steady pace.
 

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Who knows what data you can trust anymore, but apparently injuries are actually down. Not concussions, though. Brains continue to be scrambled at a steady pace.
I think it's big name injuries that have made the headlines.

AJ Brown, Puka, Kupp, Deebo, Kittle, McBride, LaPorta, McCaffrey, Njoku, Herbert, Thielen, KWalker, Tua, Mostert, Engram, Pacheco, Mixon, Love, Keenan Allen, Devonta Smith, Ekeler.
 

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Grant Cohn is the worst “content creator” there is. He’s not a journalist and he’s wrong (often on purpose) all the time for engagement. The fact that any national media picked it up, including Cohn’s absolutely ridiculous terminology around what happened shows how terrible media is.

BA had the wrong shorts. Shanahan told him and he obliged.

Not a single real 49ers reporter said or reported a thing about this despite being there as well. Mainly because they aren’t enormous trolls, which is all Cohn is.

Bottom line, this is a nothing and don’t ever take anything reported on by Grant Cohn seriously in any way ever.
 

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Grant Cohn is the worst “content creator” there is. He’s not a journalist and he’s wrong (often on purpose) all the time for engagement. The fact that any national media picked it up, including Cohn’s absolutely ridiculous terminology around what happened shows how terrible media is.

BA had the wrong shorts. Shanahan told him and he obliged.

Not a single real 49ers reporter said or reported a thing about this despite being there as well. Mainly because they aren’t enormous trolls, which is all Cohn is.

Bottom line, this is a nothing and don’t ever take anything reported on by Grant Cohn seriously in any way ever.
Felger without the platform or talent. Adam Jones a better comp?
 

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I am sincerely worried that they have now lost 2 division games where they had 10 point leads and could not play defense well enough to hold them.

This is a team that has the talent to be - right now (maybe 4-1). Granted, Moody's injury prevented them from kicking a FG that would have given them a 2 TD lead, but it was still 10 points by then.
 

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Joiking/not joking

After seeing the defense piss down their leg and let two winnable games slip away, do they bring back Saleh, even as a consultant?
 

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After seeing the defense piss down their leg and let two winnable games slip away, do they bring back Saleh, even as a consultant?
I would do it if I was Kyle (the consultant, I don't think you can change the DC at this point), but not sure why Saleh would do it. He can just take the season off, do some media and take his pick of DC jobs in the offseason.
 

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I would do it if I was Kyle (the consultant, I don't think you can change the DC at this point), but not sure why Saleh would do it. He can just take the season off, do some media and take his pick of DC jobs in the offseason.
Plus he already has that in Staley. Granted, I would much rather have Saleh than either of them, but I’m not the one firing folks either.
 

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Grant Cohn is the worst “content creator” there is. He’s not a journalist and he’s wrong (often on purpose) all the time for engagement. The fact that any national media picked it up, including Cohn’s absolutely ridiculous terminology around what happened shows how terrible media is.

BA had the wrong shorts. Shanahan told him and he obliged.

Not a single real 49ers reporter said or reported a thing about this despite being there as well. Mainly because they aren’t enormous trolls, which is all Cohn is.

Bottom line, this is a nothing and don’t ever take anything reported on by Grant Cohn seriously in any way ever.
Sorry - the aggregation made me miss the fact that this was a Grant Cohn report. I would never have linked it in that case.

Felger without the platform or talent. Adam Jones a better comp?
Grant Cohn's dad was an equally shitty, but much better-known, SF columnist.

Imagine if Ben Volin had a kid, broke his back to turn the kid into a local reporter, and the kid sucked so badly that every team's PR department told him to leave them alone. That's Grant Cohn.

Joiking/not joking

After seeing the defense piss down their leg and let two winnable games slip away, do they bring back Saleh, even as a consultant?
It sounds like Saleh is going to take the rest of the year off, though this firing was such a surprise that he's probably still processing it. I imagine Kyle might at the least be able to talk him into doing a little film work -- watch the Niners and provide notes; watch the Niners' next opponent and provide notes, etc.
 

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if u lose next game its over this was the year u had to win purdy will have to be paid 55-60 mil a year next year bosa is inj pnone LT t Williams will be 37 samel will have to leave kittie is slowing down u only get so many bities at the apple only lucky thing is NFC is so much weaker than AFC