McConnell's one of the elite steal guys in the league which i think claws back a lot of value on that end for him
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Pritchard value I'd guess is a mid to late 2nd for a team with multiple 2nd. He's a low-upside, backend rotation players on an expiring deal. Those guys don't have trade value. What is his market?
Expiring, but restricted. A team could feel pretty confident that nobody is going to throw some crazy offer at him. I would think he is worth multiple seconds at this point
I’d trade more than I’m comfortable saying to get WCJ here.
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I'm with you on this, and I'm about the opposite of a Pritchard stan. A couple of seconds for a guy who can legit play NBA minutes is a no brainer. PP isn't great, but he has a couple of NBA skills. What's the average vorp of the #40 pick.
His floor is higher than any future 2nd round pick, but a guy with his ceiling and just one year left on his rookie deal? Anything more than a one 2nd rounder and I'd be surprised.
Pritchard value is likely a similar former mid or late first looking for a better fit, or a sweetener in a bigger deal
under the new cba, a 2nd round pick might actually be a greater asset than a pick 15-30, due to them not being guaranteed and the talent levels of players outside the lottery and 2nd round being pretty close.
I've always lusted after WCJ. It's just such a ridiculously good contract that I don't know what you have to give up.
He's a real good player flying under the casual fans radar. It's like watching a young Horford in Atlanta. WCJ is thicker especially in the upper body but the similarity of skillset at similar age is creepy. Could do one of those Kobe/Jordan montages with them.
Simmons trade idea: Marcus to Mavs for #10 and Hardaway, Jr.
https://www.si.com/nba/mavericks/.amp/news/marcus-smart-dallas-mavs-boston-celtics-tim-hardaway-jr-trade
https://www.si.com/nba/mavericks/.amp/news/marcus-smart-dallas-mavs-boston-celtics-tim-hardaway-jr-trade
Former (briefly) Celtic, Duke assistant and Jayson Tatum buddy Amile Jefferson added to the staff
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Shams: Celtics pursuing Porzingis in a potential opt in and trade
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So you'd take on one-year of Porzingis at $36M? Depending on who goes out, that's a ton of injury risk at the big man position between him, Rob, and an aging Al.
Porzingis quietly had a very very good year. I was thinking a S+T option, but I think I like the 1 year opt in thing instead. Give it a go and see how he does.
Looks like BOS would have to cobble together 28.7 million or so
Would have to imagine the offer would be Brogdon+Gallo.
Keep Pritchard as the 3rd guard. Either sign Williams or move him in a S+T. Use the 35th pick/any assets got for Grant on wings.
Smart/White/Pritchard/Davison
Brown/Tatum/Grant (or return for Grant)/Hauser
Horford/Porzingis/TimeLord/Muscala/Kornet.
A top 10 of Smart/White/Brown/Tatum/Horford/TL/Porzingis/Grant/Pritch/Hauser is very good and versatile
What would be a legitimate offer?
Grant/Brogdon/2 top 5 protected 1sts? Would it have to be 3 1sts?
Not committing for multiple years here is nice, b/c I want no piece of Porzingis for a 3-4 year deal. Huge injury risk to have that much money tied up for a very good, but not All-NBA caliber, player.
would be pretty surprised for Porzingis to not try and lock in a long term deal, coming off his best/healthiest season in a half-decade.
In terms of fit, he can: absolutely help spread the floor + provide a solid level of rim protection and can't: move as effectively as Horford and possibly RWIII on switches + definitely cannot guard Embiid.
edit: Wild that KP doesn't even turn 28 until August. He feels so much older than Jaylen to me.
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Spread out though. This is the Wu Tang diversification strategy and its kind of creative depending on the package.
If they complete the deal before 6/30, MassLive says they only have to match $27 million so Brogdon and a couple of end of the bench pieces would work.
Wonder what Wizards perspective is on Porzingis opting in---the above is close-ish to a salary dump for them (presumably they'd trade Brogdon elsewhere, but value is at best a protected first?) Then again I'm not sure what market is for Porzingis on a one-year $36 mil deal.
Don't imagine Celts want to add a first to that offer....they could add in Davison and/or Pritchard who have a little value perhaps. PP is a "useful" good stats/bad team PG for Wiz to tank with I guess.
The other likely intersection piece is Grant - who presumably would be leaving in that scenario, likely returning some value.
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Seconded on the exchanging health risks for a higher ceiling impact player (if healthy), though this still doesn't do much to solve the ball-handling/turnover issue in the playoffs.
Feel like it's being lost a bit that a big reason they blew the series against Miami was Brogdon not being available to 1. dribble the ball w/o immediately losing it 2. knock down open 3's. A healthy KP helps with the Horford breaking down piece for sure, but a significant injury feels way more likely for KP then Brogdon at this point in time. I get standing pat isn't what everyone wants to do after losing like that and you can't bank on a healhty Malcolm, but you also definitely cannot bank on a healthy KP.
Porzingis was a top 25 player last season, if you get that version, and be super cautious with him? There are few players in the league that are a better fit.
We will wait for the details, but I’m thinking A+.
We will wait for the details, but I’m thinking A+.
Mentally I would build in Grant being dealt as part of a Porzingis acquisition - salary-wise really hard to imagine they'd do otherwise. Still worthwile, but the real cost is likely inclusive of Grant.
I might have. Porzingis was not bad in DAL, he was great last year, legit would have been our 3rd best player.
Then they watched Brogdon miss so many layups and call his own number far too often
Kristaps Porzingis stats from his career-best season:
Points Allowed Per Pick-and-Roll
1. Anthony Davis (0.91)
2. Steven Adams (0.92)
3. Giannis Antetokounmpo (0.92)
4. Kristaps Porzingis (0.93)
5. Walker Kessler (0.93)
One of the best drop P&R defenders in the NBA.
And on offense:
Top Post Scorers
1. Kristaps Porzingis (1.29)
2. Nikola Jokic (1.26)
3. Luka Doncic (1.15)
4. Joel Embiid (1.11)
5. Pascal Siakam (1.11)
Finally figured out how to score from the post.
And from the perimeter attacking closeouts.
Points Per Closeout
1. Kawhi Leonard (1.32)
2. Brandon Ingram (1.26)
3. Luka Doncic (1.25)
4. Harrison Barnes (1.24)
5. Kristaps Porzingis (1.23)
These are all via @SecondSpectrum
. So KP shoots 40% on spot up 3s, kills defenses when he attacks closes out, can now post up with efficiency, and he’s a good defender. Health will always be a concern but he just had his best season of his career. This could be his prime.
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Points Allowed Per Pick-and-Roll
1. Anthony Davis (0.91)
2. Steven Adams (0.92)
3. Giannis Antetokounmpo (0.92)
4. Kristaps Porzingis (0.93)
5. Walker Kessler (0.93)
One of the best drop P&R defenders in the NBA.
And on offense:
Top Post Scorers
1. Kristaps Porzingis (1.29)
2. Nikola Jokic (1.26)
3. Luka Doncic (1.15)
4. Joel Embiid (1.11)
5. Pascal Siakam (1.11)
Finally figured out how to score from the post.
And from the perimeter attacking closeouts.
Points Per Closeout
1. Kawhi Leonard (1.32)
2. Brandon Ingram (1.26)
3. Luka Doncic (1.25)
4. Harrison Barnes (1.24)
5. Kristaps Porzingis (1.23)
These are all via @SecondSpectrum
. So KP shoots 40% on spot up 3s, kills defenses when he attacks closes out, can now post up with efficiency, and he’s a good defender. Health will always be a concern but he just had his best season of his career. This could be his prime.
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Zinger couldn't get it done with Luka and that scares me a lot, but if he is the player he was last season that's for sure an upgrade over what Brogdon brought. And he fits Joe's theory of chuck threes. The rim protection is pretty great. But he does not help at all with rebounding.
The way that trade is set up, I think the draft compensation would be going from LAC to WAS
Porzingis is only one year though. I think you worry about what to do with a re-signed Grant next offseason
It would have balanced out the roster quite a bit. And for all the health risks with KP, he's played more games (216) than Brogdon (213) since 2019/2020.
BOS was an excellent rebounding team last year. 5th in defensive rebounding
Why? Nobody has been able to get it done with Luka, he's Harden with worse conditioning.
Or Gallo right? Or are you thinking we can't afford to pay Grant if we take on KP?
I'm speculating that a) they won't need another big and b) they won't want the financial commitment if they deal for KP. Would be thrilled to be wrong. Would guess Grant goes to a third team, don't see a fit for him in Wash in a rebuild.
Also, depending on whether they are adding in a pick to KP - Brogdon deal or not (can't be sure they'd need to as that is a big salary for KP), could imagine thinking of Grant as the source of the draft capital for the deal. Again, just guessing---I'd love for answer to be that Celts are all-in on 2023-24 and will figure out second apron a year from now
They wouldn't give up a first would they? Soonest first they could trade is 2028. Can't imagine them giving that up for Brogdon? But maybe a heavily protected one?
Brogdon was worth more than a first a year ago and just won 6th man of the year (deservedly so)....I do think he's worth a first.
And who was the 2nd leading scorer on that team until the trade?
The point was, Porzingis not being able to win a title with Luka has no bearing on anything, he was a key part of Luka's only successful year, Luka is a good player, he has no real record of success such that a player pairing up with him and not succeeding would have any bearing.
The Wizards, Celtics and Clippers are in strong talks on a three-team trade that would send Kristaps Porziņģis to Boston, Marcus Morris and draft compensation to Washington and Malcolm Brogdon to Los Angeles, league sources told The Athletic. Sides are still working through details and Porzingis’ $36 million player option for next season.
The deal is considered a “high possibility” according to league sources briefed on the negotiations. Boston would also need to send out additional salary, with Danilo Gallinari’s expiring $6.8 million closing the gap to reach the salary matching threshold.
https://theathletic.com/4629162/2023/06/21/kristaps-porzingis-celtics-wizards-trade-negotiations/
The deal is considered a “high possibility” according to league sources briefed on the negotiations. Boston would also need to send out additional salary, with Danilo Gallinari’s expiring $6.8 million closing the gap to reach the salary matching threshold.
https://theathletic.com/4629162/2023/06/21/kristaps-porzingis-celtics-wizards-trade-negotiations/