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You won't be able to swap it. Once you hit that second apron, that pick 7 years out becomes frozen. Can't make any trades involving it. It doesn't become unfrozen until you dip out of the second apron twice inside the next four years.
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You won't be able to swap it. Once you hit that second apron, that pick 7 years out becomes frozen. Can't make any trades involving it. It doesn't become unfrozen until you dip out of the second apron twice inside the next four years.
Not loving the idea of any shrimpy guards when you have Point Tatum.
More athletic WINGZ please.
get Sean Marks on the line
I think Brooklyn is the most likely option as well. Bridges, Royce, and a pick for Jaylen makes a lot of sense
Cleveland for Mobley would be great but I don’t see them giving up on him yet and if they did, I imagine it would be because his offensive game hasn’t improved as much as people expect.
Keith Smith is pretty solid on new CAP questions
@nighthob & @mcpickl are also mustard on CAP gymnastics around here
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHZLKY3JIZ8
Thanks, but unfortunately I need more detail. I still can't source anything clearly stating that you can't aggregate multiple players if you take back less money.
Very happy to see if I'm wrong, since it's an extremely important team-building detail.
Smith says the Celtics wouldn't have been able to do Brogdon deal under the new rules (or even Muscala) but imagine you could send a $10MM player + $15MM player for a $22MM player.
Yeah, I think everyone has been clear on Brogdon and Muscala not being doable, but being able aggregate (eg) Grant and TL for a $25M guy would be really useful down the line, so trying to nail that one down, since there's conflicting info in this thread.
Everything I've seen suggests that you CAN do 10+15 for 22.
Under the new rules if you're over the second apron, you could not.
Wouldn't be allowed to aggregate salaries.
Bobby Marks mentioned it in the May 22nd edition of the Lowe Post. It's one of the things that comes in 2024-25
I go into this thread and just see "Blah blah blah" and think eh, I'll go back and read this in several weeks after the parade in Boston.
Ouch, that is brutal
I was searching around for New CBA information and found this nugget which made me laugh
"The Rob Pelinka Rule."
The NBA has a designated structure in place for paying first-round picks. That is the rookie scale, and it creates a cap exception that allows teams to sign their first-round selections regardless of how much cap space they do or do not have. No such exception previously existed for second-round picks. Teams either had to dip into their mid-level exception to sign them, or they had to give them minimum-salary deals.
This is where Pelinka comes in. Ever since he took over the Lakers, they have had a maddening tendency to sign their rookies to two-year minimum deals when using a small portion of the mid-level exception would have allowed him to sign them to longer contracts. This approach allowed Talen Horton-Tucker to reach restricted free agency after only his second season, and the resulting expenditure may have cost the Lakers Alex Caruso. Pelinka seemingly failed to learn from that mistake, because in that same offseason, he signed Austin Reaves to a two-year minimum deal instead of a mid-level contract. Now Reaves is headed for a free-agent payday, and lest you believe he is the last Laker on that timeline, promising rookie Max Christie is also bound for restricted free agency after his second season. Well, the NBA has officially saved the Lakers from themselves. There will now be a designated cap exception for second-round picks. Reaves wouldn't fall under this umbrella as an undrafted free agent, but Horton-Tucker and Christie would have, and all future second-round picks will.
Thanks, I just listened: it's at the 17:10 mark, for those interested.
Marks' phrasing was VERY ambiguous. He simply said "can't aggregate salaries." If he means "can't aggregate salaries even with non-min players, and even taking back less money", that would go against all reporting I've seen to this point.
I'm not saying you're wrong; you might well be right. But it's a really really critical team building detail, and I'm starting to get annoyed that I can't find anything clearer, because it affects my analysis of how the Celtics will handle the Brown situation over the next years pretty significantly.
The full text hasn't been released is why it's so hard to nail down exact details
Interesting, I'll be on the lookout for that specific text once it's known. I think most other provisions are withstandable for the Cs, but that one would be rough.
@nighthob
How are you interpreting the new CBA in regards to "aggregating salaries" past the 2nd Apron/Hard Cap?
I guess we shouldn't be shocked either way.
You usually have a good read on CAP tea leaves
Hollinger explains it pretty clearly here, quote is from halfway down the article.
Not only can teams not aggregate in trades to take on more salary, but also, league sources say, the new agreement appears to disallow teams to “aggregate down.” In other words, a team couldn’t trade two players who make $20 million each for one who makes $30 million and one who makes the minimum, even though the net effect would be to lower payroll for a high-spending team.
Thanks again.
Glad they didn't extend/spend 4/$80 on Grant last Summer. They'll have to be careful with every dollar
I can't imagine Grant has increased or highlighted his value so far in the postseason. 5 DNPs in 19 games, that's likely not a guy that Boston is about to want to spend $15-$20M annually on, especially because we know he can't fill this team's biggest need going forward (center). We kind of knew that might be the case with the Giannis/Bucks matchup off the table, and Miami isn't exactly a great fit either, given that they typically run out just the one big.
The alternative is someone on the MLE, and any marginal upgrades Brad can find via trade right? How do you find someone better than Grant there? He has rotational value in the playoffs. You can't say the same for most guys the Cs could otherwise acquire.
I don’t think they let grant walk in order to avoid second apron - unless it’s a financial thing. Which I doubt.
Yes, you lose flexibility…but he’s a proven asset. All those things—-aggregating salaries, signing buy out guys, etc.—-are less certain given where they are roster-wise
Yes, you lose flexibility…but he’s a proven asset. All those things—-aggregating salaries, signing buy out guys, etc.—-are less certain given where they are roster-wise
Williams isn’t a real big. I’m hoping that Miami is interested and willing to deal, because I suspect that Boston has little interest in blowing past the second apron line quite yet.
He’s not, but a decent part of his value is that he can play credible defense against legit bigs. He hasn't been able to showcase it much in these playoffs.
Yeah, flexibility to add some real shooters to the roster is going to be paramount. Stevens is going to have his work cut out for him.
As I noted in the game thread, Wyc is not going to open the wallet just to win conference finalist banners. This core hasn't proven that its ceiling is a championship, and it's time to reject the tired "they just need more time" argument. And championship windows can slam shut real fast in the NBA.
Time to say a "thanks for the memories JB" and retool around Tatum.
If Portland is serious about putting a second star around Lillard maybe Boston could get Simons, pick 3 and Little (for salary purposes) for Jaylen Brown.
If we could get Monty Williams I'd say run most of it back. He's at the top of everyone's list, though.
I don't think it can be run back, not after that embarrassment.
If there is a team out there that thinks Brown is a #1 star, I think he has to be moved.
If there is a team out there that thinks Brown is a #1 star, I think he has to be moved.
If you felt confident that you could get Scoot at #3, I think you'd have to think seriously about it.
That would be my goal as well. Then you can move smart the hell off this team.
Brian Robb says a number of assistants are expected to leave to join Udoka in Houston. Time to hire veteran assistants around Mazzula.
In the Bill Simmons and Ryen Russillo pod, they seemed convinced that Charlotte CAN'T be that stupid that they would pass on Scoot at #2, right?! Although they may bluff to keep the asset value high.
Any Brown trade would seriously downgrade the team the next couple years if all you get back is spare parts and a draft pick. You sign Brown and run it back with him and Tatum. Everybody else on the team is on the table.
There is no way in hell that DWhite should be on the table. Plenty of times he looked like the second best player on this team and definitely the best point guard.
He had almost no preseason and half a staff. I don’t think he was great, but there’s so much going on there that I am honestly willing to go along with whatever the Celtics front office sees fit to do given all the weird details.
Meh. I don't think it's that big of an embarrassment. I know that you even think most Celtics wins are embarrassing though
They battled back from 0-3 and lost their superstar player on the first play of the game. Brown should probably be embarrassed for himself, but that's about it.Gotta fix the coaching for sure. Something's not right there.
Yeah, his value is off the charts. How does a team with championship aspirations replace him?