The Celtics with Bias

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I can’t possibly read that. But as I’ve said before I was watching a UNC-Maryland game and the announcers said UNC was playing a box and one, with one guy assigned to Bias. Later in the game they said UNC is still in a box and one “but now the box is trying to cover Bias.” Dammit.
 

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for someone who wasn't alive, how much of the bias hype was legitimate and how much was it post mortem fantasizing? was he really that can't miss of a prospect? there was certainly no shortage of busts even back in the 80s.
 

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If Port Cellar wasn’t such a good name for a Forum I would support

The Celtics with Bias
 

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for someone who wasn't alive, how much of the bias hype was legitimate and how much was it post mortem fantasizing? was he really that can't miss of a prospect? there was certainly no shortage of busts even back in the 80s.
Think a Barkley/Karl Malone hybrid. His Maryland career was otherworldly.
 

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for someone who wasn't alive, how much of the bias hype was legitimate and how much was it post mortem fantasizing? was he really that can't miss of a prospect? there was certainly no shortage of busts even back in the 80s.
Not a highlight reel but check out the clips from this game against NC and MJ. He's like a Clyde Drexler level of athleticism with a deadly jump shot.

Sigh.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMYKsTL-2Ls
 

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I’m surprised CHB hasn’t written a book on it. Much bigger curse than Ruth for Boston sports.
“The Bias Curse”’would be a great title too.
 

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I still remember exactly where I was and how I felt when I heard Bias was dead. I am sure that is true for many of us.
 

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I still remember exactly where I was and how I felt when I heard Bias was dead. I am sure that is true for many of us.
It's one of those moments for sure. And that year had several. Bias, Game 6, Challenger. All moments I can still picture to this day where I was and what I was doing.
 

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I’m surprised CHB hasn’t written a book on it. Much bigger curse than Ruth for Boston sports.
“The Bias Curse”’would be a great title too.
Actually, "The Bias Curse" is also a good name for the reason the Sox never won when the name Yawkey was attached to the team in some capacity.
 

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I still remember exactly where I was and how I felt when I heard Bias was dead. I am sure that is true for many of us.
This. I was 15 years old living in Northern Virginia, still floating with happiness on cloud nine over the draft two days prior. At that point in my life I was such a Celtic fanatic that I'd record all of their big games on the family betamax and rewatch them over and over again. So I was in the car with my mom mid-day on a Monday, I think, when all of a sudden out of nowhere on the radio was Red of all people expressing his sadness over the death of Bias. Such a gut-punch. I hade a good friend that lived down the street who was a huge Sixer fan, and I can still remember us sitting there together in stunned sadness and silence later that day. We didn't even know what to say about it. Looking back it was a bit of a coming-of-age moment.

Still not over it.
 

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for someone who wasn't alive, how much of the bias hype was legitimate and how much was it post mortem fantasizing? was he really that can't miss of a prospect? there was certainly no shortage of busts even back in the 80s.
I was 11 years old living in ACC country and can still remember coming out of my seat watching him play. He stood out to me by far in a league full of great players. Helped that he didn’t play for Carolina. And then my Celtics drafted him.

Goddamnit.
 

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It still hurts.

When a colleague, a fucking Knick fan told me, I thought he was just screwing around and bustin' balls, still pissed that the rich got richer.
I felt empty and sick as soon as I found out it was true.

What could have been.

So sad.,
 

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for someone who wasn't alive, how much of the bias hype was legitimate and how much was it post mortem fantasizing? was he really that can't miss of a prospect? there was certainly no shortage of busts even back in the 80s.
There was a pump-the-brakes analysis (I can't remember where-- maybe that Bias podcast that came out a few years ago) that proposed James Worthy as a likely comp. Which makes a lot of sense. Top 50-ish all time player, but a far cry from Jordan.

I still remember exactly where I was and how I felt when I heard Bias was dead. I am sure that is true for many of us.
I was 13 years old and volunteering for George Bachrach's congressional campaign in Watertown Sq, if that rings a bell with anyone. Someone said, "he's dead" and everyone sat in stunned silence, licking envelopes and so forth.
 

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for someone who wasn't alive, how much of the bias hype was legitimate and how much was it post mortem fantasizing? was he really that can't miss of a prospect? there was certainly no shortage of busts even back in the 80s.
It’s his mid-range jump shot that made/makes me believe he was can’t miss. Even if his size and athleticism didn’t hold up in the pros, that jumper would have. Apologies for adding to the highlight videos, but this is a good one.

View: https://youtu.be/d30aoXR6kDc
 

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It’s also just as likely that bad influences like Brian Tribble would have followed Bias to Boston. Bias gets homesick, is not getting as much playing time his rookie year as he’d like, starts partying more. That night is his dorm wasn’t going to be the only time someone put cocaine in front of him.
 

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This line from the article really got to me. The only change I’d make is to strike “at the time” because kids never think it’ll happen to them.
However, I do not think his death was a deterrent on the streets, I think it’s a myth. I think kids at that time thought ‘it won’t happen to me.’

We all think we’re invincible until we find out that we’re not.
 

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If he made it through that experience inconspicuously using cocaine instead of dying from it, does he continue using? Because if so, you can forget all of the extra banner-counting. Another alternate reality is that he is revived and escapes with his life, and never touches the stuff again. I don't have a lot of use for dreaming on a coke-free world, because that wasn't on the table.
 

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If I could change one thing in sports -- other than the result of a particular game -- it would be that Len Bias didn't die. Nothing else off the court in sports devastated me more.

That blow was meant for Ben Dreith and somehow the wires got crossed.
 

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If I could change one thing in sports -- other than the result of a particular game -- it would be that Len Bias didn't die. Nothing else off the court in sports devastated me more.

That blow was meant for Ben Dreith and somehow the wires got crossed.
I’d combine it with Reggie not dying. Add those two back to back in ‘86 and ‘87 would have redrawn the NBA landscape for 12-15 years.
 

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If he made it through that experience inconspicuously using cocaine instead of dying from it, does he continue using? Because if so, you can forget all of the extra banner-counting. Another alternate reality is that he is revived and escapes with his life, and never touches the stuff again. I don't have a lot of use for dreaming on a coke-free world, because that wasn't on the table.
Is this necessarily true? Lots of athletes have competed at championship levels while doing coke.

Edit - especially in 1986.
 
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If he made it through that experience inconspicuously using cocaine instead of dying from it, does he continue using? Because if so, you can forget all of the extra banner-counting. Another alternate reality is that he is revived and escapes with his life, and never touches the stuff again. I don't have a lot of use for dreaming on a coke-free world, because that wasn't on the table.
Cocaine usage was common across the NBA and the other professional sports leagues in that period. Recall the 1986 Mets and the cocaine dealing scandal that plagued multiple members of the 1985 Pats Super Bowl team.

Not really possible to know what would have happened to Bias. But he would have certainly been exposed to it regularly enough in the NBA.
 

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Lawrence Taylor is probably the poster child for being Superman while using cocaine heavily.
 

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I was too young at the time to really understand it, but how did Bias not get drafted #1?
 

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I was too young at the time to really understand it, but how did Bias not get drafted #1?
Daugherty was a pretty good center in an era where that was often the most important position (Moses, Kareem, Sikma, Ewing, and Sampson were all in the top 10 of league salaries).
 

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I was too young at the time to really understand it, but how did Bias not get drafted #1?
Brad Daugherty was a very good NBA center whose career was shortened/ended by injuries.

1986 was a rough draft year.

1: Brad Daugherty, 65 win shares in 8 year career
2: Len Bias
3: Chris Washburn, bust (career 72 games played)
4: Chuck Person, 39 WS in 13 year career
5: Kenny "Sky" Walker, 18 WS in 7 year career
6: William Bedford, 1 WS in 6 year career
7: Roy Tarpley, 20 WS in 6 year drug-shortened career
8: Ron Harper, 66 WS in 15 year career
9: Brad Sellers, 10 WS in 9 year career
10: Johnny Dawkins, 22 WS in 9 year career

Total WS by top 10: 241

The top 10 players by WS were:

1: Jeff Hornacek, 109 (pick #46)
2: Dennis Rodman, 90 (pick #27)
3: Mark Price, 71 (pick #25)
4: Ron Harper, 66 (pick #8)
5: Brad Daugherty, 65 (pick #1)
6: Johnny Newman, 50 (pick #29)
7: Nate McMillan, 50 (pick #30)
8: Arvydas Sabonis 47 (pick #24) would not play in the NBA until 1995
9: John Salley, 42 (pick #11)
10: Dell Curry, 42 (pick #15)
 

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I was too young at the time to really understand it, but how did Bias not get drafted #1?

Philly had the No. 1 pick that year and was the second best team in the East that year, behind the Celtics. They had a still frisky Moses Malone and a young Charles Barkley, who was clearly going to be a star. They didn’t want to take Daugherty, because they didn’t think he would fit with Moses, but they didn’t want Bias either, because they didn’t think he’d fit with Barkley. And they didn’t want the Celtics to get Daugherty to replace Parish. So they flipped the pick to Cleveland, who they knew would take Daugherty, for F Roy Hinson. It gave them on paper a pretty good front line, for about an hour, when they traded Moses to Washington for Jeff Ruland, which made absolutely no sense. So instead of rolling through the late 80s with Moses, Barkley and Brad Daugherty they had Roy Hinson, Jeff Ruland (who literally never played for Philly, he was already broken down) and Sir Charles.

The guy Philly traded to the Clippers in 1979 to end up with the 1st pick in 1986 was Jellybean Joe Bryant, journeyman forward and Kobe’s dad. Clips management back then was as bad as Cleveland’s.

Cleveland never should have had Roy Hinson in the first place. When the Gunds bought the team from Ted Stepien, a condition of the sale was that the team could “buy back“ some of the draft picks Stepien had traded away, starting with the 1983 draft. They gave Cleveland the pick before the Celtics, and they took Hinson, which infuriated Red. He had his eye on Hinson the whole time, and instead they ended up with Greg Kite.
 

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I wasn't born yet when the death happened, but in time I became consumed by the story.

Wasn't there a situation where Cleveland also considered Bias, & it basically eventually became a situation where either one was fine with them? And they didn't want to give the defending champions the player they wanted?

Then Red, knowing this, tried to play some mind games to ensure Cleveland picked Daugherty? Red would praise Daugherty in public. But there was a story about Red going to Maryland games to watch Bias, but would throw his hands up in the air, scoff, leave early, & look visibly perturbed to give the notion that he was displeased with Bias, & wanted Daugherty, when in reality, he wanted Bias all along.

Did this actually happen or was it one of those rumours/legends?
 

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On the court, I think the other fallout from Bias's death was that Bird and McHale were overworked and wore down. Bird had the back and foot problems, and Mchale the fractured foot in 87 that he played through and was probably never quite the same again. Bias would not only have improved the team when he was in there but also could've reduced the McHale and Bird minutes, extending their longevity and productivity.
 

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On the court, I think the other fallout from Bias's death was that Bird and McHale were overworked and wore down. Bird had the back and foot problems, and Mchale the fractured foot in 87 that he played through and was probably never quite the same again. Bias would not only have improved the team when he was in there but also could've reduced the McHale and Bird minutes, extending their longevity and productivity.
100%. That's been my takeaway for a long time. I think a healthy young superstar in Bias gets them an additional banner or two in the late 80s.