Or Nink, who graded out negatively in pass rush despite having three sacks, one other QB hit, and three other QB hurries.Jed Zeppelin said:
The Game ball Thread: Week 6 at the Spikes
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Jed Zeppelin said:
Tom Brady in 2010 had a 36/4 TD/INT ratio, was the first unanimous NFL MVP, and was ranked by PFF as the 20th best player in the league that season. It's nice that they set out to try and develop a relatively intuitive ratings system, but without proper knowledge of play calls and assignments it's pretty hard to make the kind of objective evaluations they seem to strive for. There are some other things that bother me, for instance, the way things like WR blocking and CB run defending are too heavily weighed, to the point where a CB can have a pretty high overall rating while being a subpar pass defender.
Stitch01 said:
To me it was a classic Nink game. He didn't really win many battles -- I think just 1 of his sacks came from a rush where he decisively beat his guy -- but he held his edge against the run and kept working on the rush so was able to clean up when the pocket collapsed, etc.
It's grades like Edelman's that give the critics of PFF a rightful claim of a faulty methodology. Perhaps they are counting times where he simply did not get open and was therefore not targeted during that play. But if he was open enough to pull in 9 passes in roughly 40 passing plays I'm not convinced that's credible. And if they are deducting Edelman for the DPI play where he was pushed out of bounds that would be absurd. PFF defenders really need to explain this one.
Back on topic: I'll add kudos to the offensive coaching staff for recognizing the Bills weaknesses in the secondary and exploiting them in the 2nd half. And for calling 13 running plays (includes 1 nullified by penalty; not counting kneel downs) in the 2nd half. While not always effective, it did keep the Buffalo secondary honest and could have well contributed to some of the open space that Brady was able to exploit in the 2nd half.
Goats: Danny Aiken for essentially turning an easy 3 points for NE into a scoreless drive. Dennard for getting toasted in coverage on that 4th-and-2 pass from Orton to Woods late in the game that almost gave Buffalo some life. And the announcers for completely ignoring the Mayo injury; it's not possible to give a passing grade to any announcing team with Tony Siragusa.
Back on topic: I'll add kudos to the offensive coaching staff for recognizing the Bills weaknesses in the secondary and exploiting them in the 2nd half. And for calling 13 running plays (includes 1 nullified by penalty; not counting kneel downs) in the 2nd half. While not always effective, it did keep the Buffalo secondary honest and could have well contributed to some of the open space that Brady was able to exploit in the 2nd half.
Goats: Danny Aiken for essentially turning an easy 3 points for NE into a scoreless drive. Dennard for getting toasted in coverage on that 4th-and-2 pass from Orton to Woods late in the game that almost gave Buffalo some life. And the announcers for completely ignoring the Mayo injury; it's not possible to give a passing grade to any announcing team with Tony Siragusa.
lexrageorge said:
In fairness, they were interviewing that electrifying new Bills owner. In-the-booth interviews are always an awkward disaster anytime something vaguely worth paying attention to happens during the 10 boring minutes of the guy talking.
Daryl Johnston also had a ridiculous moment of getting carried away with the 'Bills are getting jobbed by the umps!' narrative. I forget the exact sequence, but it went something like: after complaining (deservedly) about a dubious roughing-the-passer penalty on Jerry Hughes, he then tried to claim that Sammy Watkins was just 'regaining his balance coming out of the route' while the replay showed him clearly pushing off on a DB (Dennard?) who had his back turned.
Zososoxfan said:
I'm not sure he was. His first sack was a clear coverage sack (almost 5 seconds), the second one was on a 3rd & 20, and the third was against maybe the worst tackle in the league. One pressure he was only blocked by a tight end. I have to re-watch the other pressures but I feel it was mostly a boxscore-game for Ninkovich. At least for pass rush.
Jed Zeppelin said:
A minus 1.2 doesn't mean much, and they haven't watched the coaches film yet so it could change anyway.
I realize it's gamethreading, but looking at every mention of Nink in yesterday's GT makes it looke like he had a brutal first half and then the sacks happened.
LaFell's TD's were a big contribution--he kind of flies under the radar, but his 18.8 Yards/Reception is sixth in the league.
I don't claim to be anything more than a casual fan of football, but Ninkovich makes way more big plays than one would expect given his apparent level of talent.
He had a brutal first quarter (or first 17 quarters, really), but finished up quite strong yesterday. One of his two non-garbage time sacks was all Zach Moore (seriously, an incredible play by Moore to take on his own man and simultaneously shove Nink's guy to the ground with one arm), but Nink was getting around his man quite a bit after the first quarter. He was held blatantly a couple of times after he had cleanly gotten by his man, as well.JohnnyK said:
