Not sure how that would have worked, can you elaborate?Or, Arizona benefits from the extra time and gets a first down.
Not sure how that would have worked, can you elaborate?Or, Arizona benefits from the extra time and gets a first down.
This is the only time I'll address this before week 5. It's dumb to even have the conversation after 1 decent game.So that they can lose him for nothing or pay him a mid level starter's salary to stay on the bench?
If he looks this good over all four he will get a contract commiserate to Osweiller this year. Sam Bradford just fetched a 1st and a 4th. If they can get that at the end of season they need to do it and I have no doubt they will. And if they do the picks would be more valuable because it likely won't be a playoff level team moving for him.
Apparently Arizona didn't, since all but one of their kicks were touchbacks.Yeah who could have seen this coming when the NFL made the change to that rule.
Oh wait absolutely everyone saw that coming and knew it was a dumb move by the NFL.
I don't disagree with your overall assessment here in any way whatsoever but it's brutally obnoxious to have your word and then state, "Feel free to respond, I won't reply."This is the only time I'll address this before week 5. It's dumb to even have the conversation after 1 decent game.
Yes. If you find a 24 year old QB that can put up consistent games like JG just did, you Aaron Rodgers him for 3 years. Brady will be 41 years old. The risk of having no valid option at QB in 4 years is significantly greater than the risk of not capitalizing on a potential first day draft pick. This team is in a perfect place. They are capitalizing on the Brady window and don't have to mortgage their future to do so. If Belichick thinks JG has the potential of being a top 10 QB in this league, you fucking hang onto that player at (almost) all costs.
Feel free to respond, but I won't reply. I won't bother wishcasting on this for at least another few weeks. After 4 games of JG, I will safely be able to determine if he's a potential HoFer or not.
Or to just change the angle and kick full strength.They are basically asking him to kick the ball with 90 percent of his leg strength, which is tough to do.
I can't remember his exact words, but BB said in his press conference after the game that despite the fact that "some people" want to get rid of the kickoff, he thinks it's one of the more competitive plays out there. If you squinted a bit you could see that BB seemed to be relishing his first taste of exploiting the new rules to his advantage. #DeceptiveFootballI'm repeating others but the Ghost strategic kick-offs forcing returns and great ST coverage in what was a tight defensive game where field position is crucial aided the effort and is indicative of where BB finds edges.
Hypothetically, why the heck would Jimmy G re-sign with the Pats and potentially sit on the bench until he's 27.This is the only time I'll address this before week 5. It's dumb to even have the conversation after 1 decent game.
Yes. If you find a 24 year old QB that can put up consistent games like JG just did, you Aaron Rodgers him for 3 years. Brady will be 41 years old. The risk of having no valid option at QB in 4 years is significantly greater than the risk of not capitalizing on a potential first day draft pick. This team is in a perfect place. They are capitalizing on the Brady window and don't have to mortgage their future to do so. If Belichick thinks JG has the potential of being a top 10 QB in this league, you fucking hang onto that player at (almost) all costs.
Feel free to respond, but I won't reply. I won't bother wishcasting on this for at least another few weeks. After 4 games of JG, I will safely be able to determine if he's a potential HoFer or not.
Of course it is. Why do you think I said it?I don't disagree with your overall assessment here in any way whatsoever but it's brutally obnoxious to have your word and then state, "Feel free to respond, I won't reply."
This. Plus, Kenny ignores that they just drafted another QB that everyone seems to be very high on who can get "Aaron Rodgers'd" for 3 years.Hypothetically, why the heck would Jimmy G re-sign with the Pats and potentially sit on the bench until he's 27.
Hypothetically, why the heck would Jimmy G re-sign with the Pats and potentially sit on the bench until he's 27.
Well, now you're going to make me stand by my posts.This. Plus, Kenny ignores that they just drafted another QB that everyone seems to be very high on who can get "Aaron Rodgers'd" for 3 years.
I trust no coincidence that Bennett is one of the two guys pictured in Brady's cartoon post about the game, either. In spite of no communication...Lots of stuff already covered that I agree with. But one thing I really like is that the gameplan for Bennett was basically to stay in and block. He caught a few passes but wasn't anywhere close to being a priority in the passing game. And what do we get? A friggin amazing blocking game from a guy who has spent his entire career in the NFL being a priority target. Just love it when I see guys come in and do whatever it takes to win.
It's been a while since I've been this happy after a regular season game.
Not disagreeing with the overall point, but just want to point out that for his first four years in the league he wasn't really a priority target.Lots of stuff already covered that I agree with. But one thing I really like is that the gameplan for Bennett was basically to stay in and block. He caught a few passes but wasn't anywhere close to being a priority in the passing game. And what do we get? A friggin amazing blocking game from a guy who has spent his entire career in the NFL being a priority target. Just love it when I see guys come in and do whatever it takes to win.
It's been a while since I've been this happy after a regular season game.
This is getting way ahead of things, but yes, he's super unlikely to reup here if Brady intends to play out his contract unless the Pats pay way over market which would be a somewhat awkward use of salary cap space.Hypothetically, why the heck would Jimmy G re-sign with the Pats and potentially sit on the bench until he's 27.
Yep. If Jimmy really impresses THEM (not talking stats or perception around the league) they would probably be crazy to cash him unless they are completely bowled over by an offer. Who knows with Brady - he could have several more high level years or we could already be moving into Montana/Young territory.This is getting way ahead of things, but yes, he's super unlikely to reup here if Brady intends to play out his contract unless the Pats pay way over market which would be a somewhat awkward use of salary cap space.
If Jimmy G plays really well the next three weeks and the team believes he is a potential long-term answer, then (IMO) the relevant decision for the franchise would be whether its worth it to forgo whatever draft comp they could get for moving him after the season in order to take out insurance that their 40 year old QB doesn't fall off a cliff (even then its not automatic Jimmy G signs here anyways) and to be protected at the position next season. If Brady is still playing well through 2017, the two sides are extremely likely to part company (or BB makes the all time ultimate face melter trade, but nah)
They ran a few, I remember at least one getting blown up by a corner blitz... in general the run action didn't seem to be getting a ton of respect.Did the Pats run any play action last night? They had a fake bubble screen, and they sprinted JG out on the first play, but I don't remember any classic play fakes. Probably more about the speed of the Card front seven, but that seemed a little weird, especially given how committed they were to the run throughout.
They would have to have about $23 million in space to franchise him, which will cripple their ability to do anything in FA. They're trading him if he nets a first, people, let alone a first and.Getting way ahead of ourselves, the Franchise Tag here could be very interesting. You would have a situation where a team may give up 2 first rounders for him.
Yep, have read criticism of him here and there for a hold. That was a great block...not his fault the ref couldn't believe his eyes.Bennett gets one of my game balls. He was incredible as a blocker.
I think he got flagged for the key hold against Chandler because a TE is not supposed to be able to destroy an all pro DE in a 1 on 1 battle. On this team, he's going to be a real weapon as a blocker, as long as he can avoid getting penalized for blocking too well.
That was me, to pat myself on the back. 32nd ranked weighted DVOA in ST.Someone in the pre-game thread mentioned that AZ had the worst ST last year statistically; they did nothing to disprove that last night.
Agree, getting way ahead of ourselves but is there a possible scenario where Josh McDaniel takes a HC job next year and brings JG with him for an agreed upon future picks?Getting way ahead of ourselves, the Franchise Tag here could be very interesting. You would have a situation where a team may give up 2 first rounders for him.
Yup, we'll see what happens when teams get more tape on him and he has to adjust to their adjustments. Overall, McDaniels did a great job keeping JG away from trouble. Other than scramble plays (Amendola 32 yarder, Amendola PI that got called back by offsetting penalties, another one that was a semi-throwaway deep on the left sideline), JG basically never had to throw the ball more than 10 yards down the field. The only one I can think of was the Hogan TD and that was an easy read and throw against 1v1 (blown) coverage. He never had to throw a deep out 15-20 yards down the field that has to have enough mustard and placement not to get undercut, he never had to fit a ball just over a LB and under a safety on a deep cross, he never had to throw a deep go pattern where there is going to be safety help and the ball has to be on the outside shoulder, etc. He also didn't have to make a single red zone throw the entire game.Where's the Bill Parcells "Let's not go putting him in the Hall of Fame yet" meme?
JG had one good to very good game in his first ever start. Think about how many times journeymen QBs looked like All-Pro's in their first game agains the great Belichick. Collins worth and Michaels commented on how in the first game of the season, no one really has any idea what another team is going to do. Add in the fact that no one has any idea of JG's tendencies, strengths, weaknesses, etc and you have a formula where someone can shine.
I think JG showed a lot to be positive about, but I value his 4th quarter excellence over his 1st quarter abilities. But I also think you have to consider how he did less well as Arizona made some adjustments after the first two drives.
They're aren't a ton of teams that have the combination of a soon to be fired coach and a disastrous QB situation. Most of the league has either an established QB or is developing a recent high pick to take over.Agree, getting way ahead of ourselves but is there a possible scenario where Josh McDaniel takes a HC job next year and brings JG with him for an agreed upon future picks?
Great mention. We all remember the struggles of last season's patchwork O line, sometimes against lesser defenses. Hopefully these guys can stay healthy, improve and continue until reinforcements come back.Dante!
Missing his two starting tackles and Gronk he put together a great scheme using Bennett. The O line struggled at times but played much better than I expected against a very good Arizona D.
There's one throw I recall from the end of the first quarter: 3rd and 3, Amendola was targeted on a quick out, but the ball was underthrown and the defensive back was able to bat it down with Amendola reaching back to get it. The next play was Ghost's first field goal. I recall it because it seemed like the offense went into a very conservative "protect the lead" mentality for the rest of the first half, and I was wondering if that was in response to a couple shaky throws Garoppolo made, like the one one above. Throws like that were the exception though, Jimmy looked very comfortable out there for the most part. He needs to study more gametape of Brady turtling for sacks, so he can cut down on those fumbles.Don't remember any outs, but he did try to go downfield to Mitchell a couple of times and to Hogan on the first play of the game. I think they did protect him from trouble, but it didn't seem like an uber conservative game plan.
I feel like this might be Tom Brady spoilage. We've basically watched the best there ever is for the last 15 years at doing just that. I was incredibly impressed with this area of Jimmy's game last night. I was fully expecting some of those crossing routes and out routes to be at best not well positioned for YAC and at worst uncatchable but for the most part, that really wasn't the case. Beyond the reads/smarts, the pocket awareness, and the iced veins, it's the accuracy on those routes that makes Brady better than everyone else...and Jimmy looked pretty good by comparison.In the department of "Areas to Improve," it seems like Jimmy has some work to do on quick strike, short range passes. His reads seem generally solid. But there were a few balls he threw on out patterns that seemed to float in there leaving the receiver and the defender to wait an awfully long time. I think they were all actually completed but one of these days they're going to be picked off and hopefully not returned for a touchdown.
Yup, we'll see what happens when teams get more tape on him and he has to adjust to their adjustments. Overall, McDaniels did a great job keeping JG away from trouble. Other than scramble plays (Amendola 32 yarder, Amendola PI that got called back by offsetting penalties, another one that was a semi-throwaway deep on the left sideline), JG basically never had to throw the ball more than 10 yards down the field. The only one I can think of was the Hogan TD and that was an easy read and throw against 1v1 (blown) coverage. He never had to throw a deep out 15-20 yards down the field that has to have enough mustard and placement not to get undercut, he never had to fit a ball just over a LB and under a safety on a deep cross, he never had to throw a deep go pattern where there is going to be safety help and the ball has to be on the outside shoulder, etc. He also didn't have to make a single red zone throw the entire game.
Jimmy did a great job executing the offense in the short areas, especially on third down, which is a huge part of what the Patriots do anyway. And, other than the fumble, he didn't make any major mistakes, like throws that should have been picked. But, in the future, well coached teams are going to adjust, take some of those short area patterns away, and make him beat them with riskier throws. We'll see if he can punish teams down the field and play that kind of higher stakes game when the defense gives it to him.
That was a very good throw and one we've seen TB12 make a million times over the course of his career. JG's ability to do stuff like that, as well as the quick outs to Edelman and Amendola, gave me some confidence that he can be competent running our offense. I'm not sure if he can be more than competent in the long run but I guess we'll find out.I thought his best throw of the night was to White for a 3rd down conversion late in the game. Granted, it was a short-ish throw, maybe 7-10 yards, but he put it on White in traffic where only he could catch it.
Play is at 3:52 of this. 3rd and 3, just under 7 minutes to go ARZ up 21-20.
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap3000000701024/Patriots-vs-Cardinals-highlights
If last night was the baseline for his performance I am extremely confident in his abilities. To be thrown into that spot against that team in a prime-time game and to do what he did was great stuff. Once he gets back his starting LT and all world TE it can only get better. You can't simulate game rep timing, pressure, and tempo so to see how well he did in his first start was great. Now he has to develop some consistency.That was a very good throw and one we've seen TB12 make a million times over the course of his career. JG's ability to do stuff like that, as well as the quick outs to Edelman and Amendola, gave me some confidence that he can be competent running our offense. I'm not sure if he can be more than competent in the long run but I guess we'll find out.
Yup, I'm not going to get carried away but it went about as well as possible, especially given the level of competition and the big game atmosphere.If last night was the baseline for his performance I am extremely confident in his abilities. To be thrown into that spot against that team in a prime-time game and to do what he did was great stuff. Once he gets back his starting LT and all world TE it can only get better. You can't simulate game rep timing, pressure, and tempo so to see how well he did in his first start was great. Now he has to develop some consistency.