It is when he was fucking amazing at 39, i.e., a few months agoHe's 40 years old. It's not a "hot take" to speculate that he might be done.
It is when he was fucking amazing at 39, i.e., a few months agoHe's 40 years old. It's not a "hot take" to speculate that he might be done.
Exactly. I even said to wait until next week to even worry.Who's saying that?
No one. It's your own hyperbole.
Eh, maybe, but I've seen games where he looked more inaccurate. Seemed more out of sync and odd decision making then "whoops Manning just lobbed another murder ball". He's 40, so who knows, but offense was ok until amendola went out and scores 35 plus if they convert short yardage. I hear what you are saying and have less confidence its an aberration than other years but still one game at this pointIts been one game, that was probably the worst game in memory. He wasn't just bad, he was abysmal, and he was inaccurate the whole game, and faced virtually no pressure for 3 quarters. He was locking on to guys, looked shaken and skittish, and basically looked like the game was moving too fast.
When older QBs fail, it happens very quickly. Manning went from being an MVP candidate to being below replacement in about 5 weeks. Favre was the same. I'm hoping he's not done, but"its just one game" isn't particularly comforting, when that game was this bad, and these things snowball.
Also, nobody has said the D wasn't terrible.
When older QBs fail quickly - especially if you're going to cite Peyton Manning - it's usually because of injury. Manning's neck injury led to an incredibly easy to see lack of throwing strength, spiral and accuracy. If you saw that tonight, then by all means. I didn't see that. I saw a guy having a bad game, partly cause by his two biggest security blankets being either in a knee brace on the sideline or neutralized by the best safety in the game. And some rust for barely having thrown a competitive pass since LI.Its been one game, that was probably the worst game in memory. He wasn't just bad, he was abysmal, and he was inaccurate the whole game, and faced virtually no pressure for 3 quarters. He was locking on to guys, looked shaken and skittish, and basically looked like the game was moving too fast.
When older QBs fail, it happens very quickly. Manning went from being an MVP candidate to being below replacement in about 5 weeks. Favre was the same. I'm hoping he's not done, but"its just one game" isn't particularly comforting, when that game was this bad, and these things snowball.
Also, nobody has said the D wasn't terrible.
Can't help but wonder what 12 was talking about when he questioned some of the attitudes on the team in the postgame.On the other hand I can't remember a defensive performance quite as bad as this one - even in some of the other classic Pats blowout losses (e.g. the 2009 Ravens loss in the playoffs) many of the points were given up by special teams, bad turnovers, etc. Here the Patriots actually had pretty good field position most of the night and the D just could not get stops consistently. And the amount of huge passes given up was also something I can't recall seeing ever before in the Belichick era. Just massive amounts of work to be done on that side of the ball.
Is it a hot take to say that DrewDawg's decline has begun?DrewDawg is my other goat. Very uninspired thread title for the game thread and a weak opening post too. Nothing like what he brought last year when he was crushing it game in and game out. Might be the end. Maybe a Wally Pip season for him.
Next man up. Let's fix this!!!
/sarcasm
Gotta be new guys, no? On the other hand, maybe he's concerned about complacencyCan't help but wonder what 12 was talking about when he questioned some of the attitudes on the team in the postgame.
How quickly a hero falls.DrewDawg is my other goat. Very uninspired thread title for the game thread and a weak opening post too. Nothing like what he brought last year when he was crushing it game in and game out. Might be the end. Maybe a Wally Pip season for him.
Next man up. Let's fix this!!!
/sarcasm
Ok, so your post about him hearing imaginary ghosts implied what exactly, then? The posts about 'this is how a qb falls off the table, *but I'm not saying it!'? Dance around it all you like. People are being emotional about a loss we didn't expect. Take a step back.Who's saying that?
No one. It's your own hyperbole.
Yeah, maybe. Cooks? I certainly hope not. Can't think of anyone else on that side of the ball he may be talking about, unless Gronk was yelling at him in the huddle for changing his diet. ;-)Gotta be new guys, no? On the other hand, maybe he's concerned about complacency
It's implying that he may be aging and worrying about taking big hits more than he used to. But that doesn't mean to say "OMG HEZ DONE SOSH!" as you decided to generalize it.Ok, so your post about him hearing imaginary ghosts implied what exactly, then? The posts about 'this is how a qb falls off the table, *but I'm not saying it!'? Dance around it all you like. People are being emotional about a loss we didn't expect. Take a step back.
They didn't compete in the 4th quartet 1 to 45 I don't think it was at the new guys in particularCan't help but wonder what 12 was talking about when he questioned some of the attitudes on the team in the postgame.
Yeah that was hard to watch...just not sure TB had guys he trusted running the shorter routes. Losing Doler was a massive blowI didn't understand the back-to-back bombs at 2nd-and-17, down 8 points.
I also didn't understand why they went away from using White after his early effectiveness.
It's a game thread. So if you want to overreact I can too. I'm not over simplifying anything, he had a bad game, it's pretty reactionary to start assuming some of the things people are already starting to assume. Citing PM or BF is pretty reactionary.It's implying that he may be aging and worrying about taking big hits more than he used to. But that doesn't mean to say "OMG HEZ DONE SOSH!" as you decided to generalize it.
Just don't be a jackass by trying to change and over-simplify the tone or narrative of other posts solely for the sake of trying to support your own snarky reply. It deters people from wanting to share their honest thoughts and opinions as to what happened on the field today, which, after all, is sort of the point of the thread.
We have 3 very good pass catching RBs and they combined for 4 catches. That has to change.I didn't understand the back-to-back bombs at 2nd-and-17, down 8 points.
I also didn't understand why they went away from using White after his early effectiveness.
We have 3 very good pass catching RBs and they combined for 4 catches. That has to change.
2014 is exactly why I can't believe people are overreacting after 1 game. Yes, it was an awful game. But it's still a Bellchick coached team and culture. Brady's declining? LOL Let's pump our brakes for a second and see what happens the next couple of weeks.I have very little concern about the offense. I just went back and read the end of the game thread from the 41-14 KC shellacking in 2014 and the comments are almost exactly the same: Brady over the hill, McD's play-calling sucks, not enough pieces around Brady, etc. And we all know how that turned out.
On the other hand I can't remember a defensive performance quite as bad as this one - even in some of the other classic Pats blowout losses (e.g. the 2009 Ravens loss in the playoffs) many of the points were given up by special teams, bad turnovers, etc. Here the Patriots actually had pretty good field position most of the night and the D just could not get stops consistently. And the amount of huge passes given up was also something I can't recall seeing ever before in the Belichick era. Just massive amounts of work to be done on that side of the ball.
But that's my point. No one's freaking out. They're just talking about why people may have under-performed. None of us know the definitive answers as of right now, so we're just speculating. It's a goat thread. Why is that so unreasonable?It's a game thread. So if you want to overreact I can too. I'm not over simplifying anything, he had a bad game, it's pretty reactionary to start assuming some of the things people are already starting to assume. Citing PM or BF is pretty reactionary.
Again, we're upset they lost a game we thought they'd cruise. All three units looked like shit. TB looked like shit.
It's one week. One game. I think people need to settle down a bit. Apologies for being level headed.
Carry on with your collective freak out, I won't try to impose reason any further.
I don't know if Harris is long for the team, he just looks soooo slow out there in a league where slow lbs are increasingly deadlyThe amount of big dime personnel with Jordan Richards playing a hybrid linebacker role was unexpected and seemed largely ineffective. That was even before Hightower went down and speaks to complete lack of depth at linebacker. David Harris barely played and Marsh, five days into his Patriots career and mostly a special teams performer previously, was in for a third of the defensive snaps. I thought Wise flashed a bit in his limited snaps as a pass rusher and Flowers at least picked up where he left off.
And we already have a slow LB in Roberts.I don't know if Harris is long for the team, he just looks soooo slow out there in a league where slow lbs are increasingly deadly
WARNING TO ALL.Just don't be a jackass
This one I found jaw-dropping. KC coverage seemed to be getting it done all game, but the game plan's disinterest in throwing to the backs was maddening. Only 8 targets (4 completions), a couple of which were low percentage deep throws to Burkhead. Did they even attempt one screen pass all game? Absurd.McDaniels in not taking advantage of the pass-catching backs
Hey!!!Is it a hot take to say that DrewDawg's decline has begun?