My favorite part is the Tebow fanatics who are out $100 after buying a replica Tebow jersey. Talk about your bad investments.
The Tebow Zone
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I think this was a lot simpler than we all want to admit. Looking at it from pure football, it may have been this:
1. You need 3+ QB's to play 4 preseason games
2. Was he an upgrade over our then current #3 (probably)
3. Were the Pats worried about the sideshow (no)
4. Does a #3 QB normally make our roster (no)
5. Did he do enough to make the roster (no)
Guys name just happened to be Tebow.
1. You need 3+ QB's to play 4 preseason games
2. Was he an upgrade over our then current #3 (probably)
3. Were the Pats worried about the sideshow (no)
4. Does a #3 QB normally make our roster (no)
5. Did he do enough to make the roster (no)
Guys name just happened to be Tebow.
Maybe that was the whole idea. Sign Tebow, sell a shitload of jerseys to morons, cut him before he has the ability to lose a real game for you, profit.mt8thsw9th said:
Only half kidding.
6. Does having Tebow around divert some of the circus away from coverage of things the Pats would just as soon not have covered? (e.g. The Gronk circus, Brandon Spikes, Amendola/Welker comparisons, the Pats' more controversial draft picks... am i missing anything?)PaulinMyrBch said:
I'm out $30 as I bought mine from china. I'm still wearing it when the Pats play at Atlanta. Mainly because the plan all along was to drive Falcon/UGA fans crazy and point out Tebow has as many playoff wins as Matt Ryan.mt8thsw9th said:
I disagree. BB was shopping Mallett for a 2n rounder prior to the draft and had Tebow shown the ability to be a capable backup he would have made the team while lessening their demands for Mallett who certainly could fetch a 3rd.SeoulSoxFan said:
One thing nobody is talking about is how out of shape Tebow reported to came in which hampered him in avoiding pressure. Combine an inaccurate arm, not being in shape, and unable to retain the playbook.....well it's no surprise he isn't on the 53.
This makes too much sense for Buffalo. Tebow doesnt take anyone's starting job, Tuel certainly can't complain, while helping the Bills prep and have a chance to shove one up BB's ass in the process. I doubt this would get the Bills a win but it would be fun and I'm kinda hoping for it.axx said:
Hambone said:
I told you in chat he was getting cut.
Should have ordered a Mesko jersey instead.
One, I heard it multiple times leading up to draft on NFL Network and something in print.Dogman2 said:
Two, he was a fat waddler who no longer had the quickness to avoid a rush.....you need a link for that?
HomeRunBaker said:
The only thing I recall about Mallet being shopped was speculation here (Mallet is worth at least a 1st !!?!?!!!) and on the NFL network. There was never any word out of the Pats they were actually shopping him.
For a guy trying to make a 53, showing up to camp out of shape isn't likely. In fact, I think he was in great shape coming in to camp. He simply cannot throw the ball.
HomeRunBaker said:
If you want to be taking seriously, yeah, you do need links.
A bunch of sources said Tebow was more like 235 than the 250 he played at last year. I also think he looked thinner but to each his own.
http://www.newsday.com/sports/columnists/bob-glauber/quarterbacks-coach-steve-clarkson-says-he-s-repaired-tim-tebow-s-faulty-mechanics-1.5092128
http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/story/_/id/9216224/2013-nfl-draft-new-york-jets-consider-releasing-mark-sanchez-according-sources
His problem with avoiding the rush wasn't athletic ability, it was a combination of (1) being confused as hell by what was going on downfield, (2) having crap pocket presence, and (3) playing behind some shitty lines.
I'll be sure to post a link to my observation that a player has lost the quickness he once had next time......as well as searching through hours of NFL Network telecast.Shelterdog said:
Dogman, I was going by what I heard on NFL Network.....certainly Belichick isn't going to hold a presser to announce we are shopping a backup QB.
I think it would be pretty big news if Tebow showed up in camp out of shape. He's supposed to be the hardest working guy in show business isn't he?
Plus when has Belichick ever tolerated a guy being out of shape during camp and continued to reward the guy with reps in practice and in pre-season games? He didn't look out of shape to me. As I and others have noted in this thread a few times, it looked more to me like a guy who could not deal with the speed of the game around him.
Plus when has Belichick ever tolerated a guy being out of shape during camp and continued to reward the guy with reps in practice and in pre-season games? He didn't look out of shape to me. As I and others have noted in this thread a few times, it looked more to me like a guy who could not deal with the speed of the game around him.
Tebow dealt with the speed of the game fine when he was with the Broncos and in much better physical shape when he was quicker. The Jets wanted him to gain weight....why I have no idea they are the Jets. He was slower and more immobile than his Denver days I'm kinda shocked people are debating this.Ralphwiggum said:
I think people like making Tebow out to his media portrayal......great work ethic (slower than 2 yrs ago), smart (below avg Wunderlic score), and a thinking mans quarterback (history of not being able to retain the playbook)......instead of the reality of what he really is.
HomeRunBaker said:
He may have been actively shopped by BB. It's just that everything reported was nothing but idle speculation here and elsewhere. Honestly, saying he was actively shopped by BB for a second rounder is most likely wrong. Case in point, BB traded Cassel and Vrabel for a 2nd after Cassel went 11-5. I have big doubts Mallet would have netted a 2nd.
HomeRunBaker said:
Huh? You are doubling down on nothing more than what your eyes are telling you with very limited snaps information and ignoring the 2 links Shelter posted? Moreover, seemingly insinuating the media buried a story that Tebow showed up to camp out of shape as noted by Wiggum?
I am loathe to defend Tebow but come on, HRB.
Look, nobody is happier than me that the guy got cut, but why would the media fail to report on Tebow being out of shape if true? And, again, why would Belichick tolerate him being out of shape?
I don't think he dealt with the speed of the game any better in Denver. He sucked then too.
I don't think he dealt with the speed of the game any better in Denver. He sucked then too.
My favorite part is the Tebow fanatics who are out $100 after buying a replica Tebow jersey. Talk about your bad investments.
Dude they're even more awesome now. Ten years from now if you show up to a game wearing one - even better.
Dude they're even more awesome now. Ten years from now if you show up to a game wearing one - even better.
I tried googling this and it's a littany of "Tebow says he's coming into this best shape yet to make the team!" and "tweaked mechanics will allow Tebow to succeed!"... over, like, the last three years. It would be heart breaking if I gave a shit.
A simple search I'm sure will show Tebows low Wunderlic score and his problems with retaining plays......I can't cite what I evaluate from what i see on Tebow's loss of quickness.Kenny F'ing Powers said:
I'm at a boring production and on my cell so unable (lazy) to search from phone without wanting to throw it.
Any chance BB was trying to move Mallett this week for a godfather-type offer? Tebow was not one of the 1st cuts in the last 24 hours.
HomeRunBaker said:
So, here's my problem.
You say that he came into camp fat and out of shape. There are no reports out there that say that, but there are two cited by Shelterdog that say he came into camp 15 pounds lighter than last year.
You then say that he was too out of shape to avoid the rush because of the bulk added in NYJ (with no source), and he was able to avoid the rush fine in Denver. That's not true either. He was sacked 33 times on only 271 attempts. That's basically once every 8 pass attempts, worst in the league by nearly two pass attempts. He never had the ability to maneuver as a pocket passer. Peyton Manning behind nearly the same offensive line finished 31st in sacks in the NFL last year. It's obviously not fair to compare one of the best QB's ever to Tebow, but it does illustrate that if he was even average as a passer, he wouldn't have finished with the worst sack rate for a QB.
I'm not trying to pick on you, I just don't see any evidence to support your claims other than "he looked like shit when I watched him". The obvious conclusion is that he's always looked like shit, you just noticed it while he was in a Pats uniform.
Laddie, I'm 100% with you on Tebow's ability but my goodness, do you hate the guy or what? Is there anyone else in sports who you have this much disdain for? Other than Eli of course. Your singular hate for Tebow might equal the rest of the planet's dislike of A-Rod.
Ok I did a search on Tebow's weight.....here are the following headlines.Kenny F said:
I'll post one of the links there are plenty of them on him gaining weight....http://sports.yahoo.com/news/tim-tebow-packs-pounds-fans-reaction-172400587--nfl.html
* What Tim Tebow's weight gain means?
* Tim Tebow packs on the pounds. Fan reaction.
* Tebow packing on the pounds and the Jets are fine with that.
* etc etc
Nobody is making it up this real and even with links to confirm my eyes!
Yes I've always said he looked like shit as a QB even when Denver was winning on spite of Tebow. Losing 15 lbs off last year is still putting him a lot bigger and slower than he was two years ago. I don't know exactly how much weight he put on with the Jets but I'm pretty certain it was more than the 15 he lost......which I question anyway.
Putting on weight and being out of shape are not the same thing. If you want to amend your original post to say that you think the issue is that Tebow lost some quickness when he put on weight last year that is fine but what you said was nobody was talking about how he reported to camp "out of shape". There is no evidence of this.
But if you agree he sucked two years ago in Denver I'm not sure how you come to the conclusion that the weight Mattered.
But if you agree he sucked two years ago in Denver I'm not sure how you come to the conclusion that the weight Mattered.
He was far more mentally slow than on his feet slow. He would look lost. You can scheme against him by confusing the shit out of him with exotic defense packages that closed down allies to run quickly.
He had a low football IQ. the fact he still thinks he can be NFL QB shows that.
He had a low football IQ. the fact he still thinks he can be NFL QB shows that.
I actually like Tebow a lot. I think he's probably a great guy and I have no doubt that he genuinely really tries hard at playing QB. I have zero hate for him.Montana Fan said:
I got into Paris this morning, and in around seven hours in town wearing a Pats T-shirt, 2 different Americans felt they needed to ask me if I knew Tebow had been cut.
I actually like Tebow a lot. I think he's probably a great guy and I have no doubt that he genuinely really tries hard at playing QB. I have zero hate for him.
Guess I misread you.
Guess I misread you.
I actually happened to run into Tim Tebow randomly during the offseason at a shopping mall of all places. It was in SoCal where there are tons of celebs so he wasn't being hassled at all. To the extent one can make any judgments from seeing someone in t-shirt and shorts, my impressions were...
Height: he's listed 6'2" but I think that's an exaggeration. If I had to guess he's more like 5'11" or 6' or 6'1".
Weight: he has a shockingly thick torso. First thing I thought was that he is really built like a fullback.
In-shapeness: not a great way to judge being in football shape or conditioning, but he looked very cut. Not an ounce of obvious spare fat on him. He looked like a guy who just lifts weights all day.
Height: he's listed 6'2" but I think that's an exaggeration. If I had to guess he's more like 5'11" or 6' or 6'1".
Weight: he has a shockingly thick torso. First thing I thought was that he is really built like a fullback.
In-shapeness: not a great way to judge being in football shape or conditioning, but he looked very cut. Not an ounce of obvious spare fat on him. He looked like a guy who just lifts weights all day.
Since we have reached the Tebow finale I'll squeeze one more in before the thread peters out.
Watching Tebow I hate hate hate him as a QB. But I love love loved the idea of Belichick coaching him up and somehow using him as a weapon on this team.
I guess I was overoptimistic. Lesson from the off season: teams are built from within and veteran free agents get to free agency because they are cooked. Barring bad karma with their old team, which sometimes works here (Moss, Dillon) and sometimes not (Lloyd). Glad that this and last years draftees look good and that UDFAs are well used by the Pats.
Watching Tebow I hate hate hate him as a QB. But I love love loved the idea of Belichick coaching him up and somehow using him as a weapon on this team.
I guess I was overoptimistic. Lesson from the off season: teams are built from within and veteran free agents get to free agency because they are cooked. Barring bad karma with their old team, which sometimes works here (Moss, Dillon) and sometimes not (Lloyd). Glad that this and last years draftees look good and that UDFAs are well used by the Pats.
Montana Fan said:
I think he's probably a great guy. I just think he has no place taking snaps for any NFL team. My "hate" is all professional.
CaptainLaddie said:
Yes, you'd love to have a beer and milkshake with him as the two of you watch the Pats together. Say no more. My sentiments, too.
I want a transcript. If Belichick said anything in response to a Tebow question other than "I only talk about the guys that are here", then....
Speculation:
BB to Tebow: 'look Tim, we really tried, we gave you every opportunity. We just don't think you can be a QB. But you really want to be a QB. So we have to cut you, and you can see of anyone takes you up in it. If so, good for you. If not, think about that tight-end/fullback/ST role we mentioned, and we can talk later in the season'
Just speculating on a dying ember here.
BB to Tebow: 'look Tim, we really tried, we gave you every opportunity. We just don't think you can be a QB. But you really want to be a QB. So we have to cut you, and you can see of anyone takes you up in it. If so, good for you. If not, think about that tight-end/fullback/ST role we mentioned, and we can talk later in the season'
Just speculating on a dying ember here.
simplyeric said:
I think there's an easier answer. They thought he had some value as a developmental QB (he just turned 26) who could do some nifty trick plays here and there. He proved himself to be so singularly inept at Qbing-an experienced NFL Qb shouldn't be totally befuddled by third string defenses--that they had to write him off as a developmental QB. Once you've decided he's not worth developing as a QB there's minimal value in what's left (personal punt protecting, some read-option and pistol, maybe some h-back stuff although would he really be better than Sudfeld)
EDIT: In the beating a dead horse category Tebow was listed at 245 as a college senior (http://www.gatorzone.com/football/bios.php?year=2009&player_id=93) and weighted in at 236 at the NFL combine (http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/tim--tebow?id=497135) so the idea that he was a lot heavier this year at 235-238 than he used to be is, well, not so accurate.
BB might also be doing Tebow one last favor and trying to give other teams the perception that the Pats dont think he is useless
Shelterdog said:
That doesn't give me much to keep my eternal flame of hope alive, now does it?
To be clear: I don't really care about Tebow... if he disappears, so be it. But it's just more fun to imagine some clever thing that Belichick might do with Tebow, if only just to have the NFL equivalent of a dumb one-liner against the Jets.
But sadly, that's almost certainly not meant to be.
When my heart you so beguiled
Indeed, your dancing days are done!
Och, Tim Tebow, we hardly knew ye!