See, I completely disagree here. While this could be considered “flukey” it also could be that his body simply couldn’t take the trauma, yet someone who is 10 years younger might have avoided the same injury.
No, not right. His age has nothing to do with the injury he suffered. Youth does not equal invincibility. Again, if a younger player dove in the same way and landed the same way, he's not magically avoiding the same injury just because he's younger.
Sure, it could be that, but thats not how dislocations or joints work. You think a 21 year old dives like that and is perfectly fine, but by the time he’s 31 his body has just decomposed to that degree? Come on that’s nonsense
I agree with you. We as a forum aren't in agreement on what "injury prone" means or whether it exists. A lot of it is "he was hurt before so he's more likely to be hurt again," which isn't always wrong (e.g. aging joints, deteriorating cartilage), but it's often pure speculation. None of Story's past injuries are suggestive of an enhanced risk of future injuries, particularly this one. Just calling him "injury prone in general" seems pretty demeaning to a pro athlete, most of whom do endless tedious things to keep their bodies functioning at an elite level. Not that everyone means it that way, but when Story hears it, it must be pretty offensive to him. People can say whatever they want, but to me it's more accurate to call guys like Story or Sale snake-bitten than injury prone.
No.
"Might" is doing a lot of work here. An immature 21-year old, having been gifted with extraordinary natural ability, might never have worked out a day in his life and might have suffered an immediately catastrophic career-ending injury. Fortunately, the older, wiser Story has been working hard, etc etc, which might have prevented a much worse injury.
Yep. There are injuries that are a function of agings joints etc. This injury was not that.
A shortstop has to dive for balls a couple of hundred times during the course of a season. It's fair to say that Story's body looks to be incapable of that kind of workload if he's getting severely hurt 8 games in.
If this injury were a result of repetitive actions, like his shoulder wore out because of diving hundreds of times a season (an exaggeration of a number if you ask me), you might have a point. But it was one play, one moment, where he landed in just the right way to cause the injury. He could repeat the same play 100 times and probably walk away just fine in 99 of them. It really says nothing about his ability to handle a SS workload.
Again, you are saying he has some sort of underlying condition, some inability to land awkwardly on his shoulder and just be OK. There is no evidence of this, nor is there any trend in older middle infielders having their shoulders pop out due to an accumulated wear and tear from diving a lot. Who knows, maybe he really does have loose shoulder joints? But a far simpler explanation is that he has had shit happen to his otherwise healthy self.
Any shortstop would have sustained the same injury falling the way Story did.
Perhaps. No way to really know. Except that once again he's seriously injured.
It's absolutely amazing that he keeps suffering these "fluke" injuries, isn't it?
People with expertise on this type of injury have already chimed in, and we do “know”.
We know that he's once again seriously injured. I suppose no one should be surprised about that if they've been paying attention for the past 3 years.
He suffered a season ending injury (torn UCL in his thumb which required surgery) in his rookie year in Colorado and played in only 97 games. He was durable afterwards but it clearly took him another year to recover/improve from that as his second year was only an 84 OPS+, far lower than the rest of his output as a Rockie.
Story got hurt because he dove and landed awkwardly. He didn’t protect himself the way diving players usually do. So while I agree that another player who landed in the same fashion would likely suffer the same injury, I don’t think we can simply assume that Story is no more or less likely than other players to make such a physically awkward play.
I guess in theory, if you somehow knew is was a fluke, you could assume that once he's healed, he has no more of a chance of getting hurt as anyone else. But if wasn't a fluke, you might plan your roster differently.
Baseballcube generally has good IL information. These are all Story's injuries from 2011 which put him on an IL.
Thanks for doing the work I was too lazy to do.
What bone would they even be looking at being broken? Collarbone? The bone structure comment has me confused since I was thinking the subluxation would be ligament/soft tissue damage.
I would think so, a rotator cuff is often the precursor to ending a career due to injury whereas a bone break wouldn't.
IIRC He’s the same doctor that did Brady’s 2nd knee surgery after the Patriots doctor fucked it up.
Jeez, I had forgotten all about that. Brady got an infection, didn't he?
ElAttrache isone of the best orthos in the world.
Bankart fracture seems pretty damn catastrophic. Hope that's not what it is. Are there other humeral fractures that could apply to this case? The Hills Sachs doesn't seem like that huge of a deal.
A potential structural bone problem after a dislocation is almost always primarily a Bankart fracture of the glenoid. Sometimes the size of the Hill Sachs combined with the Bankart fracture can present a problem also. Rarely people have a congenitally shallow glenoid, I suppose that could be whats going on here moreso than a fracture, but thats very unlikely/rare.
At the risk of worrying about this too much too early, it seems that not only would Bankart surgery add a lot of time to recovery, it seems like it would also come with some wide error bars for an elite athlete who puts lots of torque on that joint. Does the fixation hold, is there any irritation in the joint from the screws/pins, arthritis, etc. Is there much case history of athletes bouncing back from it?
