Wonderfully said.The person who has given me the most joy, outside of friends & family (Ortiz is second).
Just the GOAT. Plain and simple.
Wonderfully said.The person who has given me the most joy, outside of friends & family (Ortiz is second).
Just the GOAT. Plain and simple.
I wonder if maybe he’s having second thoughts
I get it. But he's not "retiring as a Patriot." Or he doesn't need a "contract" to do it. He can show up whenever he wants and say whatever he wants. They can have a giant party. The faux-legal-solemnity of "one day contract" is just...."why?"It is silly. I am a grown ass adult and I actually want this outcome like I am 10 years old. I tend to think that's kind of neat but YRMV.
Tom Brady means a lot to a lot of people. That isn't silly. Its just true
I mean, there’s a Gretzky argument, a Ruth argument, a Jordan argument, a Russell argument, maybe a Woods argument, maybe a Serena argument. But the Brady argument is pretty strong.We'll agree to disagree. BTW, I do think TB IS the greatest professional sportsman, but you cannot deny Gretzky's near similar longevity (20 vs 22 years) and performance. Also similar to TB, TGO did things - multiple times over - that no-one else in the NHL has ever repeated or come close to. BUT, he was a Stanley Cup champion only 4 times.
Agreed, which is consistent with the statement not really being a denial from Yee either.Wouldn’t be surprised if Brady didn’t want this news coming out until after tomorrow’s games, during the off week before the super bowl build up begins in earnest. Probably not thrilled it leaked today, hence the brake pumping by Yee.
It’s getting dusty in here.
In every other situation, I would be 100% in your camp. But this is Tom Brady and the New England Patriots. They did things together that nobody in sports ever saw before and aren't likely to see again. If that isn't worth a bit of extra pomp and circumstance, I don't know what is.I get it. But he's not "retiring as a Patriot." Or he doesn't need a "contract" to do it. He can show up whenever he wants and say whatever he wants. They can have a giant party. The faux-legal-solemnity of "one day contract" is just...."why?"
Anything other than a straight denial here is an admission.Wouldn’t be surprised if Brady didn’t want this news coming out until after tomorrow’s games, during the off week before the super bowl build up begins in earnest. Probably not thrilled it leaked today, hence the brake pumping by Yee.
It's largely a function of how long he played, but despite this being 100% accurate it feels somewhat ironic that he'll retire just short of the all-time sack record (sacked 543 times, just 11 shy of the record, held by Roethlisberger).Obviously injuries involve a tremendous amount of luck, but Brady had a preternatural sense for self preservation. He was not only fantastic at avoiding sacks but he rarely tried to force throws in situations that tend to lead to injuries.
For TB, it’s a sop to the fans and a PR opportunity to quash any chatter about his relationship with New England that would distract from whatever else he wants to say/do immediately after his announcement.Agree. I never understood why anybody cares about this symbolic bullshit. He was a Patriot, first and foremost.
Bill Russell: two NCAA championships, gold medal in the Olympics, and 11 NBA championships.I hate the Gretzky argument. There was literally not a moment in time after he left the Oilers that any serious person thought Gretzky was going to lead a team to a cup. Obviously hockey has more going on but the playoff drought in general and the lack of playoff success after the early years should really just kill any serious argument Gretzky has in the GOAT list. Jordan? Sure, but he retired twice. Jordan's the only other one with an argument.
Russell is the greatest winner by pure counting stats, but you have to acknowledge that there were fewer than 10 teams in the league when he was doing this. 10 Super Bowl appearances in 20 years, winning 7 of them in a 32 team league with a salary cap designed to ensure parity is arguably as impressive as what Russ did with the Cs in the 60s.Bill Russell: two NCAA championships, gold medal in the Olympics, and 11 NBA championships.
D'oh. I've seen the replay enough times now that in my head the earlier strike to Evans was the game-tying score.His final pass was actually the nine-and-a-half-yard completion to Cameron Brate, setting up Fournette's fourth-down TD run to tie the game.
The plot. . . .thickens.The TB12 Twitter deleted its “thank you Tom” post.
I would have no objection to it, just always thought it’s a meaningless thing. There are a myriad of ways for him accomplish PR/perceived relations with the Patriots(being honored at Gillette, Patriots HOF, his official statement when this becomes official, Bill’s statements, etc.). My guess is we see the mother of all ceremonies honoring him next fall, with all parties enthusiastically involved.For TB, it’s a sop to the fans and a PR opportunity to quash any chatter about his relationship with New England that would distract from whatever else he wants to say/do immediately after his announcement.
For the team, It costs nothing and gets them on the front page of NFL news for a day when they have no other reason to be.
Not a huge deal, but why? Seems on-topic in a Brady retirement thread (discussing where his career stacks up against other all-time greats).Folks, how about we leave the Gretzky vs Russell vs Brady vs Pele vs Ali vs Faker talk to another thread?
He's not done editing his retirement video.I wonder if maybe he’s having second thoughts
That's a different topic and has the potential to have multiple thread-within-a-thread mish-mash here.Not a huge deal, but why? Seems on-topic in a Brady retirement thread (discussing where his career stacks up against other all-time greats).
I agree. Retiring his number will be the bigger dealI think that stuff is silly. He's retiring. His Patriot-ness is as assured as sunrise.
Because it is a good discussion for its own thread. It will get lost hereNot a huge deal, but why? Seems on-topic in a Brady retirement thread (discussing where his career stacks up against other all-time greats).
And two state HS championships as well. he was simply better at winning than everyone else.Bill Russell: two NCAA championships, gold medal in the Olympics, and 11 NBA championships.
Sounds like there's still time!On some level I sort of thought I’d die before he retired.
Maybe they thought he was BenJarvus Green-Ellis?Channel 5 just broke into their storm coverage to break the Brady news, and had an interview with . . . Jarvis Green. Loved me some Jarvis Green but that is a fairly random ex-Brady teammate to have on to discuss his retirement.
It was 28-3 at 3:30pm. Now it's 28-20 and the Falcons are in FG range.Alive
I'm with you. I always want chaosThe practical side of me thinks this is just TB12 getting out of the way of the playoff games
But I want chaos