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It's a great article. Saw him talking with Sox minor league non prospect Matty Johnson in Spring Training last year, after he was done we asked Matty if he knew who Harper was and he only knew that he was "a coach". Told him about Harper's successes on the field and about the Elks Lodge and Matty was quite impressed.
 

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I wonder how many championships the team could have won had its owners not been racist.  
 
Thank you for posting this, Scotian.  Very important to know this.
 

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syoo8 said:
I wonder how many championships the team could have won had its owners not been racist.  
 
Thank you for posting this, Scotian.  Very important to know this.
Imponderable. Had they been leaders, they might have had Jackie Robinson and Willie Mays.

As noted above, the racism had its roots in the south with Tom Yawkey. But it carried through Haywood Sullivan, and acquired a distinct New England accent with John Harrington.
 

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syoo8 said:
I wonder how many championships the team could have won had its owners not been racist.  
 
Thank you for posting this, Scotian.  Very important to know this.
I think fans of many teams could ask this same question. Racism back then wasn't limited to only the Yawkeys......it was prevalent everywhere.
 

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What surprised me was that it went on so far beyond the years of Yawkey. Very surprised about the cavalier attitude Lou Gorman had towards it. Wish he was still with us to give his side of the story.
 

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Had they been leaders, they might have had Jackie Robinson and Willie Mays.
 
Had they been leaders they would have had Jackie Robinson. Had the even been timely followers they would have had Willie Mays.
 

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I recently did a Fenway tour for the first time during a work event, and couldn't help but feel disgust when the very nice and only somewhat knowledgeable tour guide talked about the Yawkey morse code initials and how Tom and JRY used to sit and picnic together beneath the wall. They really should consider starting to distance the Red Sox from that scumbag IMO.
 

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The fact that this happened in our lifetimes is still shocking.  It hurts to read this.  It's 2014 and we are still afraid and discrimination still exists in professional sports. We have come so far yet we still have far to go.  Could an openly gay player exist in MLB?
 

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Old news really.  Ugly stuff for sure - already has been vetted numerous times. But, in the face of this season and opposed to another "what went wrong" story - sure.  And let's not forget Jimmy Piersall and the issues there around mental illness.
 

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Where would he play? They had Dommy in CF.
 
DiMaggio's last full season was 1952.  Mays' first season was 1951, and first full post-military season was 1954.
 
RGREELEY33 said:
I recently did a Fenway tour for the first time during a work event, and couldn't help but feel disgust when the very nice and only somewhat knowledgeable tour guide talked about the Yawkey morse code initials and how Tom and JRY used to sit and picnic together beneath the wall. They really should consider starting to distance the Red Sox from that scumbag IMO.
If that's the standard, then Boston as a city would have to distance itself from its past.  Racism wasn't just some small island that was the John Yawkey Red Sox.  Heck, some of the best known Massachusetts leaders from that era were going after Martin Luther King.
 
That said, the residual racism that was allegedly there decades after Yawkey died is quite unsettling.
 

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Not sure whether to call this a great story or a terrible one. The treatment for way too many years was just awful from Yawkey to LeRoux, Gorman and Harrington. It's sad to know that the organization treated black players, coaches and basic staff so poorly up until the very end of what sadly can best be described and the bigoted Yawkey regime.

On the other side it's a great story of Harper's perseverance and his ultimate redemption thanks to the current regime. As much as Lucchino can grate on our nerves I think he deserves a bunch of credit for his role, amongst others in the new group, to change the ways of the Sox organization and truly make right by Tommy Harper.

It's also great that Tommy has finally publicly voiced his side. I'm sure that's a decision he struggled with for a great many years.
 

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This makes me feel ashamed to have been a Red Sox fan in the 70s, 80s and 90s.  of course racism is not a problem that is unique to the Red Sox but how utterly grotesque.  It sounds like current management is taking some responsibility and has acknowledged this shameful history, but I'd like to see more done.  One step would be renaming Yawkey Way.
 

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reggiecleveland said:
Where would he play? They had Dommy in CF.
 
Hmm. Could they have platooned him with Willie McGee?
 
threecy said:
If that's the standard, then Boston as a city would have to distance itself from its past.  Racism wasn't just some small island that was the John Yawkey Red Sox.  Heck, some of the best known Massachusetts leaders from that era were going after Martin Luther King.
 
Read the story of the late Darryl Williams, a 15 year old school football player shot and paralyzed for life during a game at Charlestown High School on Sept. 28, 1979.  He was black. The two white kids were "shooting pigeons" from a rooftop across the street.
 
But the Pope was coming to visit in a few days, so there were happier stories to cover. I was a college freshman recently transplanted from the deep South to Boston at the time, and I couldn't quite believe how it came down.
 

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There were also the bussing desegregation riots in the early 70s, right when Harper came to the team.  But it's no good excuse (and no balm for Sox fans) to note that the city itself was deeply troubled.  And, in any event, the fact that the team was still fostering a whites-only policy during Spring Training in 1986 is just plain deplorable.
 
I also find it notable how Harper kept returning to the team.  The industry can be pretty insular; it can be difficult to jump from one team's silo to another.  But Harper's life story has a sad sort of moth-to-the-flame quality about it.
 

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This was the real curse of the franchise. Besides bringing we fans three World Championships, today's owners have also brought some healing to this unfortunate story. Thank goodness for that.
 

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There were also the bussing desegregation riots in the early 70s, right when Harper came to the team.  But it's no good excuse (and no balm for Sox fans) to note that the city itself was deeply troubled.  
 
It's not an excuse for the team, but the whole damn city was infected with racism in a way that made some of my Southern relatives smile.
 
Worth posting the 1977 Pulitzer Prize winning photo to give a sense of the times, I think:
 
 

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Interesting story with that pic...the black guy, Ted Landsmark said flag guy, Joseph Rakes wasn't spearing him, but waving it and hitting him like that. And the guy "holding" Landsmark, Jim Kelly was actually helping him up, after he had already been knocked down and broke his nose.
 

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That is one of the greatest photographs I have ever seen.

I mean as a piece of photojournalism of course.
 

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I agree that it was an excellent article; it was good to see Harper finally speak out again about some of the injustices that occurred during his time here both as player and coach.  
 
I will, however, provide an incomplete defense of Lou Gorman.  Actually, not really a defense, but perhaps an explanation.  Prior to Gorman's hiring in 1984, the organization had become essentially inbred.  Jean Yawkey essentially owned the team.  Haywood Sullivan had been with the team since 1965, and was still around as team CEO.  John Harrington, another Tom Yawkey crony, had become a close advisor to Jean Yawkey.  Most of the rest of the organization was run by folks from the Yawkey era.  Gorman was the first outsider brought into the team in recent history.  From the scant information we have, and from general hearsay that I've heard over the years from various folks, Gorman never came across as racist.  If anything, he was guilty of acts of omission rather than commission, although I doubt he had the ability to change the team's culture.  As a "company man", it's certainly conceivable that he decided what happens in the clubhouse "down there" was not his problem to solve.  However, given the fact that he was essentially surrounded by cronies of his owner, it could not have been comfortable for him at times. 
 
As for Harrington, he always came across as simply a bottom line guy; he was, after all, team treasurer for a number of years.  Again, he wasn't really the guy who was going to change the team's culture.  And, to be fair, it's not clear he had any role the Harper episodes; he had left the team for a few years in the late 1970's and early 1980's.  Also, the team did make progress in the mid-to-late 1990's in improving their image among the league's minority players; Mo Vaughn, for one, seemed to genuinely like it here, despite his differences with Duquette at the end.  
 
I'm not defending the actions of Harrington or Gorman; perhaps better men would have been able to change the team's culture more rapidly.  I'm just trying to put the roles of these parties in some perspective.  
 
I will say the climate in Boston in the 1970's was not a good one, especially in the latter part of the decade.  There always seemed to be an edge in the city at the time, and it was not welcoming in the least.  And the racist attitude went beyond the team; Will McDonough, for one, never failed to take the opportunity to assassinate the team's African-American players.  
 

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I wish he had gone a little more in depth with his return in 1999.  Was it just the salary business or was there more?  I'm not saying the salary business isn't reason enough, I'm just curious what else there was.
 
The on field personnel was noticably more diverse under Duquette, but it would be interesting to know if that was where it stopped.
 

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Wow

I was 7 years old in 86 when I first fell in love with the team and the game. I've never heard about that before now. I feel kind of sick after reading that story and hearing what was going on during my childhood. Where do we sign up to pay for a can of white paint for the scoreboard?
 

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I remember despising Haywood Sullivan by the time as was 12 years old.

Growing up in Quincy and then Abington, I was separate in some ways from the busing controversies but there was something distinctly ignorant about Haywood Sullivan. By the time I was older, I also realized that they were also totally ignorant about baseball as well. Hiring idiots like Kasco, Zimmer and all the rest proved it - as I learned about the sordid racist ignorance that prevailed for decades, I wished for some sort of decent management. It wasnt until I heard they hired Bill James that there was truly some hope.

The ultimate ballsy hire. And hiring a 29 year old GM. The opposite of hiring dolts like the fucking gerbil.
 

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Also, the team did make progress in the mid-to-late 1990's in improving their image among the league's minority players; Mo Vaughn, for one, seemed to genuinely like it here, despite his differences with Duquette at the end.  
 
And yet...
 
At the turn of the century, the (old ownership) Red Sox put together a book on great Red Sox players who were from New England. Mo Vaughn was born and raised in Connecticut, but he was left out of the book. I wonder why.
 
I believe I learned this from Howard Bryant's Shut Out. In any case, it's required reading if you want to pursue this subject.
 

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Interesting story with that pic...the black guy, Ted Landsmark said flag guy, Joseph Rakes wasn't spearing him, but waving it and hitting him like that. And the guy "holding" Landsmark, Jim Kelly was actually helping him up, after he had already been knocked down and broke his nose.
 
Landsmark has gone on to have quite a notable life and career
 

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I remember the first Elks Club story in the Globe. I had recently graduated from college in Boston, yet not growing up here, thought of it more as a Winter Haven, FL thing than a Red Sox thing.  So it didn't seem that surprising, since that part of Florida was (and might still be) much more like the Deep South than like South Florida.  What did surprise me, though, was how the story faded into the deepest recesses of history, given that it was, to my recollection at least, one of the last examples of the kind of thing that HoF players I actually saw play live -- Aaron, Mays, Gibson -- routinely dealt with and that every kid read about (in a sanitized way) in a Scholastic Book Club book.
 
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1310&dat=19850316&id=qvRjAAAAIBAJ&sjid=iOEDAAAAIBAJ&pg=1770,3942992
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1346&dat=19850316&id=IJQsAAAAIBAJ&sjid=2PsDAAAAIBAJ&pg=3066,210472  (note the adjacent Remy story)
 

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I agree that it was an excellent article; it was good to see Harper finally speak out again about some of the injustices that occurred during his time here both as player and coach.  
 
I will, however, provide an incomplete defense of Lou Gorman.  Actually, not really a defense, but perhaps an explanation.  Prior to Gorman's hiring in 1984, the organization had become essentially inbred.  Jean Yawkey essentially owned the team.  Haywood Sullivan had been with the team since 1965, and was still around as team CEO.  John Harrington, another Tom Yawkey crony, had become a close advisor to Jean Yawkey.  Most of the rest of the organization was run by folks from the Yawkey era.  Gorman was the first outsider brought into the team in recent history.  From the scant information we have, and from general hearsay that I've heard over the years from various folks, Gorman never came across as racist.  If anything, he was guilty of acts of omission rather than commission, although I doubt he had the ability to change the team's culture.  As a "company man", it's certainly conceivable that he decided what happens in the clubhouse "down there" was not his problem to solve.  However, given the fact that he was essentially surrounded by cronies of his owner, it could not have been comfortable for him at times.
 
The absolutely amazing thing is that from a purely baseball standpoint Haywood Sullivan and Buddy LeRoux were incompetent failures. On merit alone there was no reason for them to have any kind of role with a club, let alone being the handpicked partners of Jean Yawkey.
 
And then they actively perpetuated the Sox' racist legacy. Staggering.
 

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The absolutely amazing thing is that from a purely baseball standpoint Haywood Sullivan and Buddy LeRoux were incompetent failures.
 
 
 
 
Sullivan always seemed to be benignly incompetent. But I always thought that there was a special place in hell reserved for Buddy LeRoux after his Tony C. Night coup attempt.
 

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joe dokes said:
 
 
Sullivan always seemed to be benignly incompetent. But I always thought that there was a special place in hell reserved for Buddy LeRoux after his Tony C. Night coup attempt.
 
Sullivan cost the club Fisk when he didn't mail the contract in time, and traded away Lynn and Burleson because he didn't like their agent (Jeremy Kapstein, of all people). I'd hardly call his incompetence "benign." OK, so maybe he wasn't outwardly a flaming racist. He still managed to do enough damage to the team to render his name Damnatio memoriae on Yawkey Way.
 
Calling the on-field failures of the organization from 1919 to the modern era a "curse" is laughably childish and insulting. The ownership reaped what it sowed. Only when the last rotting vestiges of the old guard departed was the club able to move forward.
 

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Has anyone read Jerry Gutlon's book "It Was Never About The Babe"? Would you recommend it as being an accurate account of the year's prior to the present ownership?
 

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That is one of the greatest photographs I have ever seen.

I mean as a piece of photojournalism of course.
 
Off topic, but it is amazing that Stanley Forman won two straight Pulitzers for spot photography.
 
 

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Holy shit. What's the story of that picture.
On July 22, 1975 in Boston, a 19-year-old and her 2-year-old goddaughter were trapped in a burning building. A firefighter, Robert O’Neill, shielded them from the flames as a fire ladder inched closer. Then the fire escape collapsed. Although the woman died from her injuries, the infant survived. Fire Escape Collapse circulated around the world. The photo led to the passage of new fire escape legislation across the country. It provided Stanley Forman with his first of two Pulitzer Prizes for spot news photography.
http://stanleyformanphotos.com/pulitzer.html
 

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Interesting story with that pic...the black guy, Ted Landsmark said flag guy, Joseph Rakes wasn't spearing him, but waving it and hitting him like that. And the guy "holding" Landsmark, Jim Kelly was actually helping him up, after he had already been knocked down and broke his nose.
 
And Rakes is the brother of Stephen Rakes, a player in the Whitey Bulger chronicles, who was killed during Bulger's trial last year.
 
http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2013/07/18/stephen-stippo-rakes-man-who-accused-whitey-bulger-stealing-his-south-boston-liquor-store-has-died-cause-death-under-investigation/s3P2Pq8J8bK7WMpSr9e9DM/story.html
 
http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2013/09/10/accused-killer-stephen-rakes-tried-kill-himself-and-confessed-poisoning-victim/obsiUSY7qW0Owd0Q5EYWHI/story.html
 

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A rare interesting note from the usual insipid Cafardo baseball notes this morning, saying that Harper has more stories to tell about some of the possibly racial-based dysfunction around the Sox' FO in the previous regime. Harper says that Carl Everett reached a settlement with the club over a suspension termed "frivolous" and which cost him about 100K worth of pay. It's alluded that perhaps Everett wasn't entirely to blame for his troubles while in Boston.
 
Cafardo also blithely notes that the story about Everett getting re-compensated for his suspension never made the papers, which makes me wonder exactly what the hell the press around the team were actually doing back then. Seems like a pretty important story to me.
 

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Cafardo also blithely notes that the story about Everett getting re-compensated for his suspension never made the papers, which makes me wonder exactly what the hell the press around the team were actually doing back then. Seems like a pretty important story to me.
This is just blatant speculation, but the press was probably doing what they do now: playing the role of mouthpieces for the FO, owners, or agents, depending on their sources. I'm not sure Globe or other local reporters were any better in the 90s then they are now.
In a way, its sort of amusing that Cafardo is the one to note an instance where the press protected team interests against a disliked player.
 

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....I will say the climate in Boston in the 1970's was not a good one, especially in the latter part of the decade.  There always seemed to be an edge in the city at the time, and it was not welcoming in the least.  And the racist attitude went beyond the team; Will McDonough, for one, never failed to take the opportunity to assassinate the team's African-American players.  
 
You didn't see African Americans in the stands in Fenway in the late 70s. I moved to St Louis in 1978 and the racial mix in the stands at Busch stadium was a marked contrast to Fenway.   Did they avoid Fenway because of ownership policies?  Or because of what the drunk 3 rows back was going to say?
 

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Off topic, but it is amazing that Stanley Forman won two straight Pulitzers for spot photography.
 
Off topic, one more time, but if you ever get the chance to visit the Newseum in Washington, D.C. the display of Pulitzer winning photos is stunning.
 

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You didn't see African Americans in the stands in Fenway in the late 70s. I moved to St Louis in 1978 and the racial mix in the stands at Busch stadium was a marked contrast to Fenway.   Did they avoid Fenway because of ownership policies?  Or because of what the drunk 3 rows back was going to say?
I brought my wife back east to visit Fenway in 2000. I do not recall seeing a single black vendor.
 

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Wow, thanks for this. I'd rather know the unvarnished truth. Wonder why no white players spoke out on this. Bill Lee, even?
 
I grew up in central NJ in the 1970s. The school system in my home town was characterized as "segregated", and there was forced busing. I went to 95% white elementary and middle schools. By the time they did the busing, I was in high school, and everybody went there, so it was maybe 75% white. Looking back, my public education, especially the high school, was damn good.
 
Looking back, my parents weren't civil rights advocates by any stretch, but me and my brothers and sister had black friends. I was told by my mom, years later, when we started playing with the black kids who moved into our neighborhood, some parents in our neighborhood forbade their kids from playing with us. 
 
Anyone who thinks we were at best 20 years ahead of South Africa is fooling themselves. I'm ashamed to have grown up in such a climate, grateful my parents moved a tiny bit in the right direction, and I continue to move there and lead my son there.
 
Thanks for letting me rant.
 

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Wow, thanks for this. I'd rather know the unvarnished truth. Wonder why no white players spoke out on this. Bill Lee, even?
 
I grew up in central NJ in the 1970s. The school system in my home town was characterized as "segregated", and there was forced busing. I went to 95% white elementary and middle schools. By the time they did the busing, I was in high school, and everybody went there, so it was maybe 75% white. Looking back, my public education, especially the high school, was damn good.
 
Looking back, my parents weren't civil rights advocates by any stretch, but me and my brothers and sister had black friends. I was told by my mom, years later, when we started playing with the black kids who moved into our neighborhood, some parents in our neighborhood forbade their kids from playing with us. 
 
Anyone who thinks we were at best 20 years ahead of South Africa is fooling themselves. I'm ashamed to have grown up in such a climate, grateful my parents moved a tiny bit in the right direction, and I continue to move there and lead my son there.
 
Thanks for letting me rant.
The state of New Hampshire must have been segregated when I grew up there. I honestly don't remember seeing a black person (sounds impossible I know) until I was about 12. Playing CYO basketball, games on Sunday, there was an older black man who, I was told, kept score for the games in the tri-city area of Dover-Somersworth-Rochester. Had his clipboard, took it seriously, good dude. I know that area wasn't segregated, just unusual that there weren't black people that were visible, to me anyway. When I first went to Boston, Celtics game maybe, it became evident that New Hampshire was "different". 
 

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Wow, thanks for this. I'd rather know the unvarnished truth. Wonder why no white players spoke out on this. Bill Lee, even?
 
I grew up in central NJ in the 1970s. The school system in my home town was characterized as "segregated", and there was forced busing. I went to 95% white elementary and middle schools. By the time they did the busing, I was in high school, and everybody went there, so it was maybe 75% white. Looking back, my public education, especially the high school, was damn good.
 
Looking back, my parents weren't civil rights advocates by any stretch, but me and my brothers and sister had black friends. I was told by my mom, years later, when we started playing with the black kids who moved into our neighborhood, some parents in our neighborhood forbade their kids from playing with us. 
 
Anyone who thinks we were at best 20 years ahead of South Africa is fooling themselves. I'm ashamed to have grown up in such a climate, grateful my parents moved a tiny bit in the right direction, and I continue to move there and lead my son there.
 
Thanks for letting me rant.
 
I think Lee had a lot to say in his book (The Wrong Stuff) on the whole School Busing issue .. of course, that was many years later. IIRC (and I probably don't) he also had quite a bit to say about Reggie Smith's problems. (And I don't think he particularly liked the guy).
 

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Wow, thanks for this. I'd rather know the unvarnished truth. Wonder why no white players spoke out on this. Bill Lee, even?
 
I grew up in central NJ in the 1970s. The school system in my home town was characterized as "segregated", and there was forced busing. I went to 95% white elementary and middle schools. By the time they did the busing, I was in high school, and everybody went there, so it was maybe 75% white. Looking back, my public education, especially the high school, was damn good.
 
Looking back, my parents weren't civil rights advocates by any stretch, but me and my brothers and sister had black friends. I was told by my mom, years later, when we started playing with the black kids who moved into our neighborhood, some parents in our neighborhood forbade their kids from playing with us. 
 
Anyone who thinks we were at best 20 years ahead of South Africa is fooling themselves. I'm ashamed to have grown up in such a climate, grateful my parents moved a tiny bit in the right direction, and I continue to move there and lead my son there.
 
Thanks for letting me rant.
 
Interesting rant. I grew up in northwest NJ (Warren County) in the late 60s and early 70s. My town was so lily-white that in my high school of 1000-ish students there were exactly three black kids my senior year. (Not three in the senior class, three in the whole school.) And all three of them were elected class president that year, even though one of them was kind of a jerk that nobody could stand. This wasn't at all because my town wasn't racist; it was more of a tokenism thing. It was very early-70s.
 
The history of U.S. race relations in our lifetime has been a weird, one-step-forward-one-back-one-sideways kind of journey.
 

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Interesting rant. I grew up in northwest NJ (Warren County) in the late 60s and early 70s. My town was so lily-white that in my high school of 1000-ish students there were exactly three black kids my senior year. (Not three in the senior class, three in the whole school.) And all three of them were elected class president that year, even though one of them was kind of a jerk that nobody could stand. This wasn't at all because my town wasn't racist; it was more of a tokenism thing. It was very early-70s.
 
The history of U.S. race relations in our lifetime has been a weird, one-step-forward-one-back-one-sideways kind of journey.
 
OK, because I'm such a statistics loser aficionado, I just went through my senior year high school yearbook. Out of the pictures of my classmates, a hair under 20% are black. Nice to know my memory isn't too far off of history.
 
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