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This has been a hot topic across several threads. Thought consolodating into one place would be helpful.

The deadline is still ~5 weeks away, on 3/21. The Bruins are currently 27-16-3, 57 points and currently holding down the 2nd wild card in the East. By points percentage, they're actually ahead of Washington. While they are in the "last" playoff spot right now, they're almost a playoff lock. Dom's model has them at 100% to make the playoffs and hockeyref is at 92.4%. Basically, it'll take a catastrophe to miss the playoffs. That said, there isn't much room to move up in the standings. They are 6 points behind Toronto for 3rd in the Atlantic and Toronto has a game in hand. FLA and TB are 12 and 11 points ahead. The Bruins have a game in hand on FLA and 2 on TB, but catching either seems like a long shot.

Cap wise, they're in pretty good shape. Cap Friendly has them with ~$4.3 million in current space, which should be ~$8.2 million on 3/21. It does fluctuate quite a bit with call ups and send downs. They paper waiver exempt players to the taxi squad/Providence on off days to bank space (like Ahcan and Studnicka currently). In terms of assets, the farm is in a little better shape than it was a year ago. There's two public trade requests- Jake DeBrusk and Zach Senyshyn. Senyshyn has passed through waivers twice so I don't think he's got much value beyond being a throw in, though he is having his most productive AHL season (13-10= 23 in 35 games). DeBrusk has wanted out for a while but it's a tricky trade given his decline production over a long period of time and the qualifying offer he's due in the summer. Also, the Bruins appear to want current help for him as opposed to futures. Tough needle to thread. In terms of other roster players, I think Studnicka, Vaakanainen and Zboril could be in play. There doesn't appear to be room for both Vaak and Zboril on the roster next year given that both will no longer be waivers exempt. Now might be the time to cash in. Zboril had a promising 10 games before tearing his ACL. Vaakanainen has played OK, but I think this could be a sell high situation.

The needs are pretty obvious. Centers, both in the short and long term, and a LHD.

So what to do? There seems to be 3 paths. An all-in approach, a stand pat approach, and a rebuild/transition approach. The all-in approach is largely due to the aging and dwindling core. Chara left, Krejci left, Rask has retired and Bergeron is 36 and in the last year of his contract. The stand pat appearch is just letting this thing play out. Rebuilding is obviously a tear down and trying to build the next core around McAvoy and Pastrnak.

I lean more towards all-in. They are going to be in the playoffs. Their underlying numbers are closer to elite than mediocre. They have the best 5x5 xGF% in the league. Special teams are good. They are 5th in GF/60 on the power play. 11th in GA/60 on the kill. They are still the same stifling defense at 5x5 that they've always been. It's the same story offensively, they don't generate much offense. The goaltending has been adequate, with room for improvement. Maybe now that the Rask thing has passed, Ullmark and Swayman will settle in now that they have more defined roles and aren't looking over their shoulder. Who knows what ther future holds for Bergy. He's been elite this year. I think I take one more run at it. The rebuild will be painful regardless. Maybe they can grab a long term piece or two in the process too (like Chychrun or Hertl).
 

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I'm also all in on this team. I think they have a lot more to give than we've seen and have a really obvious chance to upgrade that would make a huge difference to their status as contenders. They have no second line center. I realize that the second line has been decent since the near year but most of that has been bolstered by Pastrnak's otherworldly positive shooting regression. It's obvious that Pasta and Hall have chemistry and a legit play driving center (specifically one who is good on the rush) would give the Bruins a top 6 that few other teams could handle.

They could use an upgrade on D, but I honestly expect Justin Braun or Troy Stecher UFA types to upgrade Clifton more than anything impactful. They won't bench Forbort because they believe they need him to PK, though his position is the one on the blueline that needs the most improvement. I'm struggling to see room to improve there without something drastic. Reilly has been the only guy who has unlocked Carlo in this very up and down year for the RHD and to get more out of that pair, they'd need to upgrade Reilly's puck moving ability, imo. Say what you want about him, but that's an expensive upgrade to make that won't yield huge results. That pair has 57% xG%. We aren't going to do much better than that.

I'd like to see some other roster upgrades. A top 6 RW that pushes smith down to the third line (smith's been good but some real bad luck is plaguing him). Debrusk out for whatever. I haven't hated Debrusk's game but it's clear he's not going to be qualified in the summer by this team so just get what you can and move on (as long as you have a second line center.) a fourth line LW that can skate with Nosek and Lazar who can PK. I like Blidh but I don't actually think he's been very good and I don't think Frederic is the answer either.

The assets really need to be spent on upgrading that second line center slot. Hertl is an ideal guy if you can sign him. He is an absolutely perfect fit stylistically between Hall and Pastrnak. I'd spend almost any asset to get Hertl in the fold. He lines up with an extended post bergeron window with Marchand, Hall, Pasta and McAvoy and buys them a little time to restock for when the elder part of that core ages out in 2-3 years.

A little luck and they end up in the Metro, which is an easier path. Carolina is a tough draw but get past them and its one of Pitt and NYR and you miss two of Tampa, Florida and Toronto. When I look through my rosiest of rose colored glasses, I see a path and that means its worth going for it. If not, and Bergeron comes back, they can run it back and try again with this roster and they open up a shitload of cap space after next year (which is good bc Pasta is getting a raise).

One minor quibble @cshea, Zboril isn't a trade asset because his injury means he won't hit the games threshold to hit RFA and he will become a UFA at year end. I don't think we see him again, unfortunately.
 

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I’m only in if they go all in. This team isn’t a depth piece or two away from winning it all.

Unless you’re grabbing Giroux and a Chychrun type, you’re not getting past TB. And frankly losing in the ECF isn’t worth what it’ll take to get there. They have to absolutely sell out for this year and Bergerons likely last run, or sell off for 2-3 years from now.

I’m ok with either, I just don’t want them to try and play it down the middle.
 

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I think all three options have merit, as long as Sweeney executes them with conviction. Any half-hearted or wavering attempt will be disastrous.

Going all-in? Get Giroux and Chychrun and anyone else who is an unequivocal upgrade. No scrap heap acquisitions, no "change of scenery" guys, no "hey they had one slightly good year maybe they will replicate it" types. Get proven players who are still playing the game at a high level or don't bother. Adding another Nick Ritchie (oh god, there isn't a third Ritchie brother is there?) is how this team ended up as a perennial 2nd round pretender.

Stand pat? Sure, the team can hang with the best of them when they're on. Maybe they get hot at the right time, one of Ullmark or Swayman stands on his head for a couple weeks, or their opponents have a bunch of untimely injuries. A laughably awful Montreal squad made it all the way to the Cup Final last year, so who knows. This way you still have all your key players and prospects going into the offseason and can reevaluate then.

Fire sale? Again, don't half-ass it. Marchand is an elite winger who can play well in every situation and is under contract for a few more years, so if you trade him you should get a treasure trove of picks and prospects. Smith should draw some attention as well. Pretty much solicit any and all offers for anyone not named Pastrnak, McAvoy, or Swayman. (I might keep Bergeron around for cultural and sentimental reasons though.) Though I really don't like this option if it's Sweeney and co. selecting the prospects and draft picks.

Going with sentimentality, I would love to give Bergeron the best chance possible to raise the Cup one more time. My colder, more logical side tells me that the better option is to sell what they have and see if they can build a new core around Pasta and McAvoy in a few years. The sad truth is that there are some very lean years ahead no matter what this team does right now.
 

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The Habs just sent Toffoli to the Flames for a 2022 1st round pick, a 2024 5th round pick, and Tyler Pitlick and a prospect I know nothing about (Emil Heinemen). That seems like a very steep price and starting point for top 2 line forwards which does not bode well for the B's.
 

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My vote would be (1) stand pat and tinker around the edges, (2) go all-in, (3) fire sale. I don't want to trade significant draft picks or prospects in a year where even the best teams could get knocked out early in the EC playoffs, given how deep and even the eight playoff teams are.
 

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The Habs just sent Toffoli to the Flames for a 2022 1st round pick, a 2024 5th round pick, and Tyler Pitlick and a prospect I know nothing about (Emil Heinemen). That seems like a very steep price and starting point for top 2 line forwards which does not bode well for the B's.
Toffoli is signed for $4.25 AAV for 2 more years. He's a good player, on a cheap contract.

Most of the names being discussed as potential Bruins targets are UFA's. Giroux and Hertl are rentals and also have some form of trade protection. That'll surpress the acquisition cost. They'll get closer to a 2nd and Bjork type package than the 1st, 5th, prospect, Pitlick (he's negative value) that Calgary gave up for Toffoli. JT Miller is signed for another season so he'll probably cost a 1st and a prospect type package.

If Chychrun moves, that'll be a whopper the Bruins would have to meet.
 

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I just wish Don Sweeney was not the one making the call. I have little faith they will do anything worthwhile and I have a lot of faith they will overpay.
Sweeney is not without criticism, but one thing he almost never does is overpay in trades. He's probably the most conservative GM in the league on the trade market.
 

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Neither Neely nor Jacobs will allow Sweeney to sell at the deadline unless the B's go into an absolute tailspin over the next few weeks. So my assumption is that option is off the table.

If they're going to sell future assets, then they need to go all in. If they'd rather hold on to their draft capital and prospects, then they should mostly stand pat barring a lower cost depth upgrade at defense. I think I prefer the all-in approach, but would feel better about that option if they had vintage Rask.
 

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TBH I'd be totally fine with paying the equivalent for a similar player at a position of need.

Say you call up Vancouver and ask about Horvat. Toffoli is probably a bit better, with one more year and a lower price tag, but would you be upset if the bruins traded a protected first, a 5th, Trevor Kuntar and John Moore for Horvat? That's kind of the equivalent the flames paid. I wouldn't mind that at all.

When you factor in that Calgary probably paid a little bit of a premium for doing this early, and for adding Pitlick to make the cap work, I don't think this really feels like its setting a high price for the market at all.
 

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To the point @durandal1707 raised above, the more I think about it, the more I agree that I'm not sure I want Sweeney (and/or the talent evaluators not named PJ Axelsson) to be identifying prospects to target for a fire sale scenario.

And to @cshea's point, I have no real qualms about Sweeney as a trade deadline player. I only really see one bad trade where he wasn't selling.


Home runs:
  • Coyle for Donato + 4th (up from conditional 5th) (thanks Fenton)
  • Hall (50% retained) + Lazar for Bjork + 2nd

Good - great:
  • Reilly for 3rd
  • Kase for Backes, 1st, Andersson
  • Johansson for 2nd + 4th
  • Nash (50% retained) for Beleskey (50% retained) + Spooner + Lindgren + 1st + 7th
    • Even though Lindgren hurts, given the market for Nash and the cap situation, pretty reasonable price even in hindsight
  • Liles for Camara + 3rd + 5th
  • Stafford for 5th
  • Wingels for 4th

Not great:
  • Stempniak for 2nd + 4th
  • 3rd for Vatrano (selling)
 

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On Chris Johnston's podcast, he said that a DeBrusk trade will get done, but probably during this offseason instead of before the trade deadline.
 

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Johnston is one of the best "insiders," but that doesn't make a ton of sense. The whole bugaboo about trading him now is the qualifying offer he's due in the summer to retain his rights. It's $4.1 million (I think) and teams are wary of it. I think if DeBrusk is on the roster past the trade deadline, it's more likely he leaves for nothing as a UFA after they don't qualify him than someone trades for him early on. I think a team that takes the plunge on him would want him earlier to try and negotiate a contract below the qualifying offer. Qualifying offers are like the first thing that's done in an offseason so there's not much room early in the summer to make a trade like this then extend him before the QO's are due.
 

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I'm on board with Sweeney upgrading the roster for a playoff run, but I don't want him trading Lysell or Lohrei. I recognize this isn't really "all-in" or standing pat. If it's between a Stempniak type player or nothing, I'd prefer they do nothing. I would love to see Giroux, but the above post makes that seem unlikely. I think Giroux would be a great fit. If they can get JT Miller without Lohrei or Lysell, that would be a good fit as well.

Based on how highly regarded Chychrun is, I doubt the Bs can get him without one or both prospects I don't want to see traded.

Edit: Forgot to include Hertl as an addition I'd be happy to see the Bruins make.
 
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I'm on board with Sweeney upgrading the roster for a playoff run, but I don't want him trading Lysell or Lohrei. I recognize this isn't really "all-in" or standing pat. If it's between a Stempniak type player or nothing, I'd prefer they do nothing. I would love to see Giroux, but the above post makes that seem unlikely. I think Giroux would be a great fit. If they can get JT Miller without Lohrei or Lysell, that would be a good fit as well.

Based on how highly regarded Chychrun is, I doubt the Bs can get him without one or both prospects I don't want to see traded.

Edit: Forgot to include Hertl as an addition I'd be happy to see the Bruins make.
Chychrun is only 2 years older than Lohrei and is a known commodity on a good contract for 3 more years. Lohrei may never be as good as Chychun is now. I'd trade Lohrei in a package for Chychrun in a heart beat.

I wouldn't be too enthused about moving Lysell, but if they got some controllable young top 6 center, then see ya. I don't think there's a player that fits the young, top 6 center criteria available though.
 

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I'm not a huge Miller guy but Hertl is just as good as Giroux and 5 years younger. He's also exponentially more likely to stick around.
 

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Scanning Chycrun’s stats on HockeyRef shows a big drop-off from last season. Admittedly, the trouble with looking at a player on a team as bad as Arizona is that it’s hard to figure out what is player decline and what is the overall miserableness of the team.

Chycrun’s Defensive Point Share is 0.1. Last season it was 2.9. His 5x5 Pts/60 has dropped to 0.6 from last year’s 1.5.

I haven’t seen him play much at all. What do the folks here think — can he get back to what he was last year if he goes to a good team?
 

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Scanning Chycrun’s stats on HockeyRef shows a big drop-off from last season. Admittedly, the trouble with looking at a player on a team as bad as Arizona is that it’s hard to figure out what is player decline and what is the overall miserableness of the team.

Chycrun’s Defensive Point Share is 0.1. Last season it was 2.9. His 5x5 Pts/60 has dropped to 0.6 from last year’s 1.5.

I haven’t seen him play much at all. What do the folks here think — can he get back to what he was last year if he goes to a good team?
I've only seen him play maybe 3 games this year (theres just no reason to watch that team) but his performance is quite bad by the numbers. I think he's a bit overrated, in general, by his 18 goals last year. He's really never generated a ton of offense otherwise. I'd say he's a solid #2-#3 type who would do really well on a pair with someone else good. He might be a nice fit with a guy like Carlo and would likely look like a world beater playing next to a star like McAvoy. Lots of words, but his performance this year seems like the extreme outlier for his career. He's been at least solidly above average every other season (when healthy) but he's definitely wilted under the reduced quality of teammate and increased minutes/responsibility but most of that wilting is offensively. His D performance is still pretty good relative to his team. If whoever acquires him puts him in a position to succeed, they will likely get a really good return on investment. If they ask him to drag a shitty player around (aka Forbort/McAvoy) then they will likely be disappointed.

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To me, the contract is what makes him most appealing. He's reasonably priced even if in the end he's only a 2nd pair guy.
 

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To me, the contract is what makes him most appealing. He's reasonably priced even if in the end he's only a 2nd pair guy.
100%. He's an S tier player when it comes to the trade market. guys like him are rarely available. I just don't think they have the ammo, unfortunately. I really want them to go after Troy Stecher for that third pair RHD. If they got both, the D could look like this:

Gryz-McAvoy
Chychrun-Carlo
Reilly-Stetcher

The old school guys would scoff, but that D would be a top 5 unit, imo. Alas.
 

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If they acquire Chycrun, this is what they’d have:

LHD
Grzelyck (through 2023-2024)
Chycrun (through 2024-2025)
Forbort/Reilly (through 2023-2024)
Clifton (through next season)
Vaak/Zboril/Ahcan (RFA after this season)
Lohrei (prospect)

RHD
McAvoy (through 2026-2027)
Carlo (through 2026-2027)
Lyle (prospect)

I can’t imagine there would be much interest from potential trade partners in Forbort and Reilly, but I suspect there would be interest in Vaak/Zboril/Ahcan. Lohrei should be untouchable.

If the cost is the standard NHL trade deadline package of player + prospect + pick, I would still rather spend that on a forward, ideally a 2C. Thus team can get by without another LHD but it really needs a 2C.
 

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If they acquire Chycrun, this is what they’d have:

LHD
Grzelyck (through 2023-2024)
Chycrun (through 2024-2025)
Forbort/Reilly (through 2023-2024)
Clifton (through next season)
Vaak/Zboril/Ahcan (RFA after this season)
Lohrei (prospect)

RHD
McAvoy (through 2026-2027)
Carlo (through 2026-2027)
Lyle (prospect)

I can’t imagine there would be much interest from potential trade partners in Forbort and Reilly, but I suspect there would be interest in Vaak/Zboril/Ahcan. Lohrei should be untouchable.

If the cost is the standard NHL trade deadline package of player + prospect + pick, I would still rather spend that on a forward, ideally a 2C. Thus team can get by without another LHD but it really needs a 2C.
If Lohrei is the difference between getting Chychun or not, they should include him. If everything goes right for Lohrei, he’s probably as good as Chychun, and will probably be more expensive after his ELC.
 
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Yeah he's primarily a LW but could probably play RW. He would be better than DeBrusk/Smith on the top line though...
 

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I'm thinking that DeBrusk would need to go to NSH in that deal (or to another team in a separate one) and that Forsberg would be a DeBrusk upgrade.
 

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Goddamnit. HockeyReference.com has him listed at C.

I thought he was a winger, but saw that and assumed I was wrong.
You're not the only one. I've heard multiple podcasts and read about 5 articles that cited him as a center option.
 

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What do you do with DeBrusk now? I don't know how you trade him when he's playing like this, even if this scoring binge is unsustainable. Do you keep him on the top line, hope he doesn't revert back into a pumpkin, and let the offseason resolve itself? Or do you sell high and try to get real value (IDK how the league values him right now given his recent play) back? It's a nice problem to have and much smarter folks than me can figure this out.
 

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What do you do with DeBrusk now? I don't know how you trade him when he's playing like this, even if this scoring binge is unsustainable. Do you keep him on the top line, hope he doesn't revert back into a pumpkin, and let the offseason resolve itself? Or do you sell high and try to get real value (IDK how the league values him right now given his recent play) back? It's a nice problem to have and much smarter folks than me can figure this out.
I'd be interested to know if Jakes opinion has changed at all. If Cassidy/the B's decide they like what they see from him on the Bergeron/Marchand line - and promise him that top line spot - would he want to stay? Is playing with them the motivating factor he needs to be good Jake?

If he still wants to go, he's certainly helped the Bruins by increasing his trade value. But I'm not sure what you could get for him that would be better than what he's given you over the last couple weeks. Unless Nashville is interested in a him for part of a package for Forsberg.
 

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All depends on the return but this is essentially the "good" side of DeBrusk. He's streaky as hell. He has 7 goals and 2 assists in his last 5 and 1 goal and 1 assist in the previous 10. If he can sustain this, that would be great. That said, given his history, I'm not overly optimistic.
 

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If you can trade Jake in a package for a 2C, you move him, otherwise you let him ride with Bergy & Marshy for the remainder of the year. 2C is the glaring need.
 

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If Sweeney figured out a way to move Forbort or Moore in a futures deal for Lindholm... whew, we'd be talking.
 

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If they go the LHD route, I think it’s more likely Reilly gets shipped out to balance salary than Forbort.

I still wonder about Chychrun. If they ever were going to extend for a guy (I’m not sure they ever will), he seems to check all the boxes. LHD, 2-way, young, controlled. They did the OEL dance with Arizona for 2 years. JFJ is in Arizona’s front office now. Seems like a lot of things lineup here.
 

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Arizona is also looking for a Eichel-like package. So an established top 6 forward, close prospect, first and conditional second.
 

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Imagine it would be Studnicka or someone closer. Hard to know what the Yotes want though given their situation the next couple years.
 

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They could probably push the picks into next year. Arizona has 8 picks in the top 2 rounds this year, they may value 2023 picks more than 2022. They’ve also shown a willingness to eat bad money so maybe they can work in John Moore.

I think a 1st and Lohrei gets them in the ballpark.Then figure out the rest.
 

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I've been wondering what happens if Jake DeBrusk plays the rest of the year with the Bruins. I looked up the RFA rules on CapFriendly and, as best as I can figure out:
Please let me know if I'm wrong -- this is complex stuff.
 

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I've been wondering what happens if Jake DeBrusk plays the rest of the year with the Bruins. I looked up the RFA rules on CapFriendly and, as best as I can figure out:
Please let me know if I'm wrong -- this is complex stuff.
That's exactly right. Jake also has arb rights so he could get a 2 year deal from the arbitrator. I think its unlikely that a team would sign him to an offer sheet but they might trade for him for a bit less. I do think he' gone in 10 days anyway, though.
 
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