Himmelsbach with the wet blanket.
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Trade for Dame?
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IDK. Pritchard is a JAG (hometown story notwithstanding) and Brogdon and TL both have lots of injury issues. At least with the Miami offer you are getting a proven scorer who's young and more on the new timeline in Herro and something to dream on with Jovic. The picks for each offer are likely to be similar.
I'd be really surprised if SA jumps into this. I think they want to take their time.
I think the Celtics is arguably better because more picks and TL is the only guy of the bunch who fits the timeline and needs of POR. Herro isn't of any value to them, and finding value via a 3rd team has been part of the holdup. Herro is basically just Simons to them, they already have Simons, Sharpe and Scoot as guards they have invested heavily in.
That's exactly what this is and I think it indicates that there is little to the substance of Lillard to the Celtics rumors. More there was a vacuum caused by the behind the scenes talks with Jaylen (which there should be in any negotiation in any situation) and the Lillard stuff filled the void. Until now.
I wouldn't be surprised if they asked and were told any real conversation has to start with JB and Brad ended it there. But agree on the vacuum. Also isn't JB somewhere overseas? Not that that has to stop things but his processing may be a little delayed.
Helmed by one of the most dynamic group of assistant coaches in the league no less.
JB can't even sign the extension until tomorrow afaik. In Vegas seems like the right time to land the plane.
I'll believe all this when Jaylen actually signs his extension or Dame is traded to Miami. Until then, we're going to have a bunch of contradictory reports coming out that are being put out there for various reasons.
Good to know. I think this is being misreported because I've seen the deadline mentioned a couple of times. Hopefully this all gets handled soon and the distinction becomes a moot point.
I'm not sure an extra pick or two (three?) from a team with Tatum, Lillard, Brown, and Porzingas will move the needle much. Even if Boston doesn't win a championship, that is an extremely high floor team.
Could be. But I'm skeptical.
Anyway, if Portland if going to deal DL to a team he doesn't really want to go to, maximizing picks from a lesser team might be the best bet anyway. Is Portland really going to accomplish anything over the next season or two with an assortment of nickels and dimes for a quarter? Hell, I'm not even sure what one year of Brown would really do for them. No way is he resigning with Portland. Better to try and go full tear down and maximize picks, I think.
If they aren't interested in making Dame happy, they're better off forgetting Miami and Boston.
Himmelsbach is about as reliable as they come. He's been consistently reporting that the Jaylen extension is a matter of when, not if. Pretty much all other reports have said the same, too.
I'd be all in on unprotected picks 4 or 5 years down the road from a team like that. Sometimes when it goes wrong, it really falls apart.
It was always the most likely result. But a Jaylen extension doesn't necessarily close the door on Lillard. And the Celtics and Tatum are very clearly interested in Lillard.
I'm not 100% certain that we can discount the "butts in the seats" factor. Portland has been comfortable lurking around the 8 seed for years. They might make a decision like trade for a Brown with one year or take fewer picks in a deal and covet a volume guy like Herro because someone has to score and create some excitement. They man not fully tank, even if that would be the smartest thing to do.
It's all relative, I think BOS is very unlikely to be a Dame destination, but the argument basically is... if Dame adds Boston to his list which offer is better and while it's close, BOS might be better
It does but Tatum seems to want this really badly. He may be able to lobby Wyc on this, if Lillard relents. But, again, I need to see Jaylen sign on the dotted line first. Things can change quickly.
I don't think a rental like Brown for a year would put butts in the seat at all, especially on a mediocre team. Seriously doubt Herro would either.
If Portland really wants to put butts in seats, they'll ignore Dame's trade request and see if he shows up to play. He probably will. And maybe they make a better attempt to trade him next year if that is still what he wants. If they don't want to just blow everything up for all the picks, that sounds better than the pu pu platter.
Edit: I guess I see it more likely that Dame will relent on his trade request than relent on going to a team he doesn't want to go to. And unless Portland really wants to build a new team with young players from scratch, they'll be OK with that.
Oh I agree with everything that you said. But sometimes owners don't like having empty arenas. To me, that doesn't necessarily increase the likelihood of a Brown inclusion, but I wouldn't be surprised if the Miami offer looks better to them than it should. If I were them, I'd be rolling it like you say. Maximize picks, young guys who haven't matured yet. I'd be trying to send him to OKC or Orlando or something like that.
One problem is, why would those teams want him? Another is, I highly doubt the Blazers are looking to exile him to a non-contender. I don't think they care about appeasing his request to Miami but he's likely meant too much to the franchise to just outright piss him off. At the end of the day, there just aren't many teams who are in "win now" and who also, despite Dame's greatness, want a PG in his declining years on an escalating contract.
That being said, I don't know who is on his supposed "list." Maybe, as some reports suggest, he thinks San Antonio would be really great. Maybe he loves Orlando since it's in Florida, or thinks Rumble the Bison is the best mascot in the league. No idea. But I think people are generally overestimating the number of teams who would want him and are underestimating the issues with his contract.
Yeah, Brown on a five year is going to trigger a bidding war from teams on the upswing looking to take that next step forward. So you could ride the crazy superteam to your first title and then fill in around Tatum/Lillard/Porzingis by moving Jaylen.
Dame is super serious that he is not interested in Philly, Boston or Brooklyn.
View: https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10081827-damian-lillard-trade-rumors-blazers-star-has-no-interest-in-celtics-76ers-nets
Also saw that he is posting Snaps from Miami right now, which is top tier offseason reaching. At this point, he should drop a dis aimed at every city he isn’t interested in playing for.
Then @ElUno20 can stop by to tell us more about his dope lyricism.
View: https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10081827-damian-lillard-trade-rumors-blazers-star-has-no-interest-in-celtics-76ers-nets
Also saw that he is posting Snaps from Miami right now, which is top tier offseason reaching. At this point, he should drop a dis aimed at every city he isn’t interested in playing for.
Then @ElUno20 can stop by to tell us more about his dope lyricism.
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Dude’s going to start posting GMs’ home addresses soon. We’ll see if Portland cracks.
It'd be funny (at least to me) if PDX were to tell Dame that if he and his agent didn't knock it, off they're just not going to trade him. I mean what is Dame going to do? Sit out? PDX is trying to tank anyways so sitting out doesn't hurt PDX.
Probably never happen but at this point the transaction is really incumbent upon MIA trying to find a team that will give them real assets for Herro and maybe Martin and Dame isn't helping any of that.
If this is really it, I don't know why Portland wouldn't just hold off until the season started, similar to what Philly did with Simmons. Tell Dame to stay away and it's win win for everyone (he stays healthy which is good for him and his value, and Portland loses more games while developing their young guard talent). I understand that may make some parties uncomfortable, but they have to hope this is a trade that will be paying dividends for the rest of the decade. A few months of discomfort is not a reason to take a mediocre deal.
By most accounts, this feels like what Cronin is trying to do and if you are PDX, maximizing the return for a player like Lillard is paramount. As many folks have noted, the Blazers are essentially already a free agent no-go zone so its not like they have a big trade off to consider in that regard. Instead they need to get the most talent possible in exchange for Lillard. Dame and his agent have to know this which is why we are getting all these messages warning teams off of him.
Again I expect he will wind up with the Heat but for the first time in recent memory, a star of Lillard's magnitude may be forced to accept a destination other than his stated preference - let's see if the Blazers actually hold firm.
As a side note, if it isn't Miami, I expect PDX to net a really big return. It feels like some of the deals being batted around here are light in terms of bodies and draft capital.
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I wouldn't be surprised at all if Dame prefers staying in Portland instead of going to a place where he doesn't want to be. Doubt that he or his agent will tell Portland that, but it might become obvious if he doesn't soften his stance on Miami or only expands his list of teams by a team or two.
Of course Portland might not care.
Brad’s goal might be Dame staying in Portland and out of Miami. Present a better offer to show PDX what fair value should be.
I seriously doubt Boston will offer Brown just to encourage Portland to keep Dame. If they offer him, they want to make a deal. And if they don't offer Brown, their deal is no closer to fair value than what Miami can do.
I don't think Brad Stevens will play those kinds of games. And (if true) it's a credit to him.
I don't think Brad Stevens will play those kinds of games. And (if true) it's a credit to him.
Does that change if Brown makes it clear where he will and won’t go? Contracts don’t seem to mens much of anything these days when it comes to NBA players who are increasingly determine where they will play.
Have we considered yet, absent factoring in the desires of where Dame himself might want to go, which teams would be the best fit for Portland? Who really badly needs PG passing and scoring, has rim protection to mitigate his defensive issues, and has lots of assets they could trade? And who wouldn't blow through the second apron if they took him on?
I have no idea who meets that. New Orleans sending back McCollum?
I have no idea who meets that. New Orleans sending back McCollum?
New Orleans will never pay the tax, ever, so just cross them right off the list.
For POR.... they want SA to make a move. BKN to throw the Suns picks in there would be a strong one, UTA sending an assortment of teams' picks (MIN notably),,, maybe a KAT and stuff trade with MIN, NYK... but they won't pair him with Brunson for obvious reasons.
Dame is doing a pretty dame good job of destroying his legacy with this. I am rooting for Portland to just drag it out just to see how far ugly his tantrum can be.
At some point he could even make some trash-quality rap about his loyalty towards Miami.
SA is tough since they don’t really have the pressure to win now with a 19 year-old (likely) future star. If I’m the Spurs, I’m not cashing in my chips for a 33 year-old Lillard. They’d be better off finding a younger star. Jaylen would actually make a lot of sense there.
Brooklyn feels like a good fit for Lillard to me. Bridges may have leveled up after the trade but does he have the star power that Dame might be looking for? Not sure. But they have the assets to get it done.
Philly is another team that makes sense on the court given the need to win in Embiid’s shrinking window. Would probably need to be a 3-way since Maxey doesn’t make much sense in Portland.
End of the day, there are plenty of alternative options that can outbid Miami so I think we’re headed for a good old fashioned NBA staring contest.
Brooklyn feels like a good fit for Lillard to me. Bridges may have leveled up after the trade but does he have the star power that Dame might be looking for? Not sure. But they have the assets to get it done.
Philly is another team that makes sense on the court given the need to win in Embiid’s shrinking window. Would probably need to be a 3-way since Maxey doesn’t make much sense in Portland.
End of the day, there are plenty of alternative options that can outbid Miami so I think we’re headed for a good old fashioned NBA staring contest.
Every tweet or article seems to cite that Boston is not a “city” Lillard wants to play in, as opposed to mentioning the team as one he doesn’t want to play for. So finding a team that fits seems kind of irrelevant based on whatever criteria he’s looking for.
Lillard doesn't have that kind of leverage. Portland is going to trade him for maximum value. At some point, Lillard is either going to have to stay in Portland or accept a trade to a team that is a fit. Portland can and will play the waiting game.
I don't agree that Dame is doing anything wrong here. As we all know stars have been calling their landing spots in the NBA for years now. If anything he held on to long but now he wants to win and believes Miami is his best shot. It may well be too.
Unfortunately he plays in Portland and is signed to a deal only a few teams can reasonably stomach. Its not as easy for him to dictate terms in this situation but you can't blame him for trying.
I agree this is the standard behavior among NBA stars nowadays. But Dame kinda built up a reputation as the antithesis of stars hopping around and as the beacon of loyalty, via all his Twitter messages and interviews about tough battles, grit, loyalty, etc. A lot of fans, including myself, had high respect for Dame due to that, but he is betraying that fanbase with this fiasco.
Honestly it's on the extreme side, not many guys say "1 team, no place else" that's a bit rare, especially if they just signed an extension.
Of course, my feeling for a while has been that if Dame could have gotten a supermax somewhere else, he'd have been gone, I don't think it's a coincidence that he got that final supermax out through age 37 (last one he was ever going to get) and then suddenly the grind is boring.