Trevor Story has signed with the Boston Red Sox

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Does it make more sense for the better defender to switch positions in this case? Im thinking Javier Baez moving around the infield for the Cubs when Russell was playing lots of short and Castro at 2nd. Baez was always the better SS but was athletic enough to play all over when it helped.
Because I’d be concerned with Xander moving to the other side of the base. Im aware the move from SS is down the spectrum, but the angles, coverage and footwork would all need adjustments.
He’s maybe not the best guy for the move to 2nd base. Third base on the other hand makes a ton of sense, as does LF. But he’ll make that decision next year.
For the coming year it probably doesn't make much of a difference. It's not like Bogaerts is a defensive disaster and I'm guessing that the Sox aren't interest in sabotaging his dreams of exploring the FA market as an elite SS. Keeping Bogaerts happy and motivated isn't the worst way to approach this season.
 

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I am having a fantasy where after Xander and Trevor work together for a lot of the season and get used to being DP partners, then maybe X has to miss a week or two and Story plays short, and everyone sees how good Story is there, and Xander volunteers to exchange positions. Like it’s one thing to be pushed aside by a new guy, but maybe it’s easier to switch roles with a teammate and partner you’re already comfortable with. Combine that with an extension for Xander at slightly higher AAV than Story and maybe we are all set until Mayer gets here.

I know it’s more likely Xander opts out and leaves after this year, and Story puts us in a good position for that. But a guy can dream.
So perhaps 25M per year at how many years? Maybe 6 years like Story? That's a lot of $$$ to tie up in a pair of 35 year old middle IFs. We want to lock up Raffy too, yes? How much do we want to extend him at? I know there is $$$ coming off the books next year but we might also need to target a FA pitcher or three, figure out CF and catcher.
 

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Love the signing - but as long as he can still play short - you'd have to think this sets up 2022 as the end of Xander's tenure in Boston.
I've always loved Xander but he is never going to be worth what he thinks he's worth because he simply isn't the defender that he thinks he is. And his Jeter-esque insistence to stick at short is really the nail in the coffin for his Boston career, even more so now that Story is on the team.
Honestly, I think it's pretty ridiculous that they are willing to cater to him this year - but there is no way (barring Story's arm falling off) that the team can commit to any future with him at SS past 2022. Story is a far, far better defender, and if the Sox don't see X in their longterm plans (which I'm guessing they don't) I'm not sure why Cora shouldn't just insist he move this season. I get that it would do some short-term damage to the clubhouse culture, but I also feel like X is not inherently, a trouble maker and while he'll be pissed initially, he'll eventually adjust and adapt. At this point, the worst case scenario (other than a catastrophic injury to Story) is probably signing X long-term with a promise to allow him to replicate what his idol did to the Yankees and decimate this team's defense at short throughout his 30s.
I don't think most of us around here want to see Bogaerts treated this way. Read Buckley's column in the Athletic that calls him "the soul of the franchise." He's a good guy who took a below market contract to stay here, and he has indicated that he is open to moving off shortstop eventually. (I'm guessing in a year or two.) He is therefore no Mookie and no Jeter.

It doesn't matter if Xander has an inflated sense of his worth. The market will tell him his value, and it is indicating in recent days that the value of elite shortstops is dropping.

Many of us will not be happy if the Red Sox dawdle, like the Braves did with Freddie Freeman, and do not make a serious attempt to renew him. Bogaerts also may be the key to keeping his buddy Rafael Devers.
 

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So perhaps 25M per year at how many years? Maybe 6 years like Story? That's a lot of $$$ to tie up in a pair of 35 year old middle IFs. We want to lock up Raffy too, yes? How much do we want to extend him at? I know there is $$$ coming off the books next year but we might also need to target a FA pitcher or three, figure out CF and catcher.
I'd run 6/150 up the flagpole if I'm Bloom, maybe up to 165-170. A bit better than Semien got feels about right for Bogaerts. If Bogaerts is looking for Lindor/Seager money, he can go try to find it elsewhere.
 

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I don't think most of us around here want to see Bogaerts treated this way. Read Buckley's column in the Athletic that calls him "the soul of the franchise." He's a good guy who took a below market contract to stay here, and he has indicated that he is open to moving off shortstop eventually. (I'm guessing in a year or two.) He is therefore no Mookie and no Jeter.

It doesn't matter if Xander has an inflated sense of his worth. The market will tell him his value, and it is indicating in recent days that the value of elite shortstops is dropping.

Many of us will not be happy if the Red Sox dawdle, like the Braves did with Freddie Freeman, and do not make a serious attempt to renew him. Bogaerts also may be the key to keeping his buddy Rafael Devers.
FWIW, Bogaerts has a guaranteed 20M per through '25 with a 20M vested option for '26. His contract also affords him the opt out after this season. Sounds as though he's been treated quite well.
 
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I agree X seems like a great guy and a clubhouse leader, but why does anyone want to re-sign him at any price if he insists on staying at SS?

This board was rightly critical of Captain Intangibles for refusing to help the team by moving to a different position. Now it feels like we’re moving the goalposts. If X refuses to help the team by moving across the diamond, then he SHOULD be criticized. No one is owed a position - that’s basically the definition of entitlement in a team sport.
 

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This contract is far more team-friendly than I had hoped for when hearing about the signing. This is fantastic and confirms (at least to me) that Story really wanted to be here and sees a long-term future here.
 

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Is agree X seems like a great guy and a clubhouse leader, but why does anyone want to re-sign him at any price if he insists on staying at SS?

This board was rightly critical Captain Intangibles for refusing to help the team by moving to a different position. Now it feels like we’re moving the goalposts. If X refuses to help the team by moving across the diamond, then he SHOULD be criticized. No one is owed a position.
Why are we assuming that he insists on staying at SS forever? Isn't it entirely possible to extend him as a SS now and move him to 3B or LF in/by 2024 or 2025?

I think Bogaerts' biggest concern right now is that he wants to get one more big contract as a SS and thinks his earning potential is harmed by shifting positions before or for that contract (hence is comments earlier this week). Once he gets that contract, there'd be nothing obligating the team (be it the Sox or someone else) to continue to play him at SS in perpetuity. I can envision a scenario in which the Sox extend him, let him continue to play SS for the time being, then start talking about a move down the road (just like he reportedly said he'd be open to). Whether that's to make room for a resurgent Downs next year or two-three years down the line for Yorke or four-five years down the line for Mayer doesn't really matter.

Also, I can't help but think there will be a ripple effect in how Bogaerts is handled when it comes to Devers. Devers looks up to the guy. If the Sox just unceremoniously let Bogaerts walk after this season with little/no effort to keep him, that could impact how Devers approaches his final two years and any potential extensions the Sox want with him.
 

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I don't think most of us around here want to see Bogaerts treated this way. Read Buckley's column in the Athletic that calls him "the soul of the franchise." He's a good guy who took a below market contract to stay here, and he has indicated that he is open to moving off shortstop eventually. (I'm guessing in a year or two.) He is therefore no Mookie and no Jeter.

It doesn't matter if Xander has an inflated sense of his worth. The market will tell him his value, and it is indicating in recent days that the value of elite shortstops is dropping.

Many of us will not be happy if the Red Sox dawdle, like the Braves did with Freddie Freeman, and do not make a serious attempt to renew him. Bogaerts also may be the key to keeping his buddy Rafael Devers.

I agree with you but believe the Red Sox will do everything possible to keep him. I am hoping we have learned our lessons from the past.
 

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I like that the Story signing sets a friendly local benchmark of 6/$140 for top-tier hitting shortstops playing second base in Boston. Xander will be one year older than Story when he opts out, a comparable package when you factor offense and defense, and may feel that the kinship between them is enough to sign a similar contract.

Say Bogaerts signed for 6/$140. That would bring his total contract extension to 9/$200 million. It’s Boras, so maybe there’s another $10 million in there. Not record breaking, but well within the top 20 active players in the game.
 
I agree X seems like a great guy and a clubhouse leader, but why does anyone want to re-sign him at any price if he insists on staying at SS?

This board was rightly critical of Captain Intangibles for refusing to help the team by moving to a different position. Now it feels like we’re moving the goalposts. If X refuses to help the team by moving across the diamond, then he SHOULD be criticized. No one is owed a position - that’s basically the definition of entitlement in a team sport.
While insisting on staying at SS certainly would detract from his value, I think it's ridiculous to suggest that there isn't a contract value that would make such a demand acceptable.

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As someone who is generally very skeptical of long term contracts in general, I rather like this deal. By 3/2/1 weighting he has averaged 5 fWAR/yr and 5.5 bWAR/yr over the past 3 seasons. At $23.33m per year the contract would be fine if he averaged 3 WAR/yr over the course of the deal, which seems reasonably likely. And if he flames out the deal isn't so big that it becomes an albatross (particularly with the new CBA). If he Lindors it would suck, but that seems pretty unlikely.

Quite a few of you have noted that there's a chance Story provides X insurance at SS if X leaves and Story is able to shift back to SS. I'd argue that as long as he is performing to career norms, he'll provide X insurance whether or not he can move back to SS. Having Story's bat at 2b means that we can replace X with a defense-first SS if needed and pick up the offensive slack elsewhere. Both Vaz's and JBJ's spots on the diamond should be relatively easy to upgrade offensively, and that's not even considering the Casas transition at first base. So basically the only case in which Story doesn't help make the post-X situation easier to navigate is if he is a disaster.

Overall it looks like a signing that makes the team likely to be much better over the short term with only a moderate long term risk. That's exactly the kind of big ticket FA signing that I can stomach.
 

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I like that the Story signing sets a friendly local benchmark of 6/$140 for top-tier hitting shortstops playing second base in Boston. Xander will be one year older than Story when he opts out, a comparable package when you factor offense and defense, and may feel that the kinship between them is enough to sign a similar contract.

Say Bogaerts signed for 6/$140. That would bring his total contract extension to 9/$200 million. It’s Boras, so maybe there’s another $10 million in there. Not record breaking, but well within the top 20 active players in the game.
Wait, when we're talking extension for Bogaerts, are we talking tear up what he has left after 2022 and give him a new deal or are we talking about tacking on to his existing deal in exchange for not opting out? Because it's a far cry different talking about locking him up through age 35-36 and through age 39. I'm in favor of tearing up the existing deal, not tacking on to it.
 

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Wait, when we're talking extension for Bogaerts, are we talking tear up what he has left after 2022 and give him a new deal or are we talking about tacking on to his existing deal in exchange for not opting out? Because it's a far cry different talking about locking him up through age 35-36 and through age 39. I'm in favor of tearing up the existing deal, not tacking on to it.
Yeah, I figured he’d opt out and sign a new deal in that scenario, so 6/$140 covering ‘23-28.
 

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So perhaps 25M per year at how many years? Maybe 6 years like Story? That's a lot of $$$ to tie up in a pair of 35 year old middle IFs. We want to lock up Raffy too, yes? How much do we want to extend him at? I know there is $$$ coming off the books next year but we might also need to target a FA pitcher or three, figure out CF and catcher.
Yeah I think what you outline is the limit of what I would go to. For all-star caliber players I'm willing to think about extensions to their mid-30s, but get uncomfortable past that. Story's deal is to his age 34 season, with the 7th year for age 35 only triggering if he opts out and the Sox activate it. Xander's current deal takes him through age 33, and honestly that feels about right to me; if we're enticing him not to opt out of the 4/$80M he has after 2022, I'd rather add dollars than years, maybe tack on a fifth year, six is pushing it. I wouldn't want to go past that.

But all this was kind of in a dream scenario where X plays 2B acceptably going forward. If he plays SS all year this year, and continues to be a defensive liability, and wants a big deal to keep playing SS, my head says the right thing to do is wish him well and let him go, shift Story back to SS, and fill in 2B while we wait for Yorke and/or Mayer.
 
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Any word on when the introductory PC will happen and when he’ll make his debut? My daughter and I will be in attendance on Wednesday, but I imagine that’s a little too soon.
 

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Why are we assuming that he insists on staying at SS forever? Isn't it entirely possible to extend him as a SS now and move him to 3B or LF in/by 2024 or 2025?

I think Bogaerts' biggest concern right now is that he wants to get one more big contract as a SS and thinks his earning potential is harmed by shifting positions before or for that contract (hence is comments earlier this week). Once he gets that contract, there'd be nothing obligating the team (be it the Sox or someone else) to continue to play him at SS in perpetuity. I can envision a scenario in which the Sox extend him, let him continue to play SS for the time being, then start talking about a move down the road (just like he reportedly said he'd be open to). Whether that's to make room for a resurgent Downs next year or two-three years down the line for Yorke or four-five years down the line for Mayer doesn't really matter.

Also, I can't help but think there will be a ripple effect in how Bogaerts is handled when it comes to Devers. Devers looks up to the guy. If the Sox just unceremoniously let Bogaerts walk after this season with little/no effort to keep him, that could impact how Devers approaches his final two years and any potential extensions the Sox want with him.
Regarding the bolded, I don't think that "we" are assuming this at all. But eeyore's gonna eeyore.

Xander is a 5WAR player who has gotten MVP votes in each of the last four seasons, despite all of the talk of how it's malpractice to play him at short. He cares enough about the team and winning that he spoke out publicly about a) someday moving off short, b) wishing out loud that ops would infuse the team with some additional talent, and c) helping recruit Story. So this hinting and whispers about him not being a team player is garbage.
 

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If we could extend or replace X’s existing deal and lock him up for the next 6 years for an amount in the Story range (yes, he’d likely be taking a hometown discount), then I’d welcome that deal even assuming he stays at SS until Mayer forces him off.
 

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Right. He might hit even more. Story’s 2021 home runs if all his batted balls were…

in BAL: 42
in NYY: 48
in TOR: 36
in TB: 33

(in COL: 19)

Per Statcast
I share your optimism but don't set your hopes too high. From that Statcast page "This accounts for different wall heights and distances, but does not attempt to adjust for environmental effects. " Ball trajectory at Coors will be different to everywhere else.
 

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The reality of the contract is that he is here for 6 or7 years. If he's playing great over the first 4 years of this contract, he will opt out and the Red Sox will negate that with a guaranteed 7th year. If he is somehow playing beneath the contract, he will not opt out, and then play for 6 years.
 

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The reality of the contract is that he is here for 6 or7 years. If he's playing great over the first 4 years of this contract, he will opt out and the Red Sox will negate that with a guaranteed 7th year.
With Mayer and Yorke on their way in four years, if not sooner, this isn't a sure thing

Plus, lost in the opt-out talk is that there are ZERO no-trade provisions. In four years, at age 33 and an agreeable contract, he could be prime trade bait
 

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Also, I can't help but think there will be a ripple effect in how Bogaerts is handled when it comes to Devers. Devers looks up to the guy. If the Sox just unceremoniously let Bogaerts walk after this season with little/no effort to keep him, that could impact how Devers approaches his final two years and any potential extensions the Sox want with him.
Ideally Devers is extended ASAP; the team should let a motivated X play the season and see where the chips fall. A bad year or injury may have him opting in.
 

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I am having a fantasy where after Xander and Trevor work together for a lot of the season and get used to being DP partners, then maybe X has to miss a week or two and Story plays short, and everyone sees how good Story is there, and Xander volunteers to exchange positions. Like it’s one thing to be pushed aside by a new guy, but maybe it’s easier to switch roles with a teammate and partner you’re already comfortable with. Combine that with an extension for Xander at slightly higher AAV than Story and maybe we are all set until Mayer gets here.

I know it’s more likely Xander opts out and leaves after this year, and Story puts us in a good position for that. But a guy can dream.
I think something like this is actually likely. The Bogaerts FA PR campaign doesn't benefit from a persistent narrative that Bogaerts' ego or contract aspirations made the Sox worse; they also don't want Cora to "demote" Xander.

So I expect that they'll take an early off-ramp and transform the story into one about Bogaerts' selfless, team-first leadership qualities.

edit: and if they play their cards right, the story could be about how Bogaerts has enough glove to be a good offense-first SS and enough bat to be respectable first-division LF.
 

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I don't think most of us around here want to see Bogaerts treated this way. Read Buckley's column in the Athletic that calls him "the soul of the franchise." He's a good guy who took a below market contract to stay here, and he has indicated that he is open to moving off shortstop eventually. (I'm guessing in a year or two.) He is therefore no Mookie and no Jeter.
Any chance anyone can post the relevant quote from that Athletic article? All I’ve seen is his statements in the Globe where he sounded anything but willing to move from short.
 

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It concerns be that no other team thought it sensible to beat this contract. I would not have rolled the dice on Story liked this. I really hope it works out.
I thought this as well at first but then I started looking for teams with need and money and you don't come up with many.
 

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It concerns be that no other team thought it sensible to beat this contract. I would not have rolled the dice on Story liked this. I really hope it works out.
Isn't this true with most anyone who accepts their best offer (No one else offered more)?

Also, it is likely the benefit of waiting out the market as several teams may have already spent their budget and are therefore unable to offer more even if they would have liked to. Its quite possible that someone like Texas is looking at the Story signing and thinking ...."If only we knew he would shift to second base and accept $40M less than Semien"
 

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Any chance anyone can post the relevant quote from that Athletic article? All I’ve seen is his statements in the Globe where he sounded anything but willing to move from short.
There wasn't a quote from X, just Buckley stating that, yes, the Sox probably do need to move him off short eventually:

He has become the soul of the franchise in recent years, even more than Betts was, and that’s something that should never be discounted. The Red Sox need to keep this guy, even if the professional beancounters and the whiz kids in baseball ops say no. And even if, OK, the Red Sox will need to get him off shortstop.

It’s swell that Bogaerts has stated that he very much considers himself a shortstop, but he wouldn’t be the first Sox shortstop to move on from the position. Rico Petrocelli, John Valentin and the late, great Johnny Pesky are former Red Sox stars who moved from shortstop to third base. And Dustin Pedroia, even before he got his big-league feet wet, moved from shortstop to second base. Heck, Hall of Famer Carl Yastrzemski was signed as a shortstop, and then moved to second base, and then to the outfield, and then to Cooperstown.
https://theathletic.com/3196576/2022/03/19/buckley-as-red-sox-court-trevor-story-they-should-remember-what-they-have-in-xander-bogaerts/
 

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There wasn't a quote from X, just Buckley stating that, yes, the Sox probably do need to move him off short eventually:



https://theathletic.com/3196576/2022/03/19/buckley-as-red-sox-court-trevor-story-they-should-remember-what-they-have-in-xander-bogaerts/
Ok, I managed to get past beancounters and whiz kids. And Buckley had me at Rico and Valentin. But Yaz? Yaz?? He never played SS in the majors, and for good reason. He made 45 (!) errors in 116 games between second and short (13 in 12 games at SS) at Raleigh.

Yaz was not a SS.
 

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Isn't this true with most anyone who accepts their best offer (No one else offered more)?

Also, it is likely the benefit of waiting out the market as several teams may have already spent their budget and are therefore unable to offer more even if they would have liked to. Its quite possible that someone like Texas is looking at the Story signing and thinking ...."If only we knew he would shift to second base and accept $40M less than Semien"
Even then, Story’s wish to play for a contender was a factor.

Terrific signing, full stop. But I do think it legitimately got pretty dicey there. If you’d have devised a “waiting out the market” approach back in October, would you have guessed that the top free agent shortstops would sign with Detroit, Minnesota, Texas, Texas again, and the Dodgers? With the top second base fallback options signing with the Nats, Mets and Cubs?

I like the Yankees offseason for them, but they might have easily moved something like Peraza+Torres+ for Olson and signed Story themselves, or signed Correa to the same deal the Twins did without blocking Volpe. Houston, Seattle, SF or LAA could have gotten involved, someone might have accepted another wild overpay by a bad team (Baltimore, Colorado), or the Braves could have pre-signed a SS replacement (to play third) and dealt Swanson.

I have a ton of faith in Bloom and trust that he’s on top of these dynamics, had contingency plans, etc. But it might have gone very differently.
 

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Even then, Story’s wish to play for a contender was a factor.

Terrific signing, full stop. But I do think it legitimately got pretty dicey there. …
This is fair. And it’s also possible, maybe likely, that we’ll look back and think other deals would have been better and made more sense. Should we have signed Taylor and Gausman or Ray for about the same money as Hill/Paxton/Story? Time will tell. But right now, I can’t be too critical of Bloom’s overall approach this off-season.
 

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Does Story's presence at 2B make X a "better" SS in the sense of being able to cheat a bit?
 

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I agree X seems like a great guy and a clubhouse leader, but why does anyone want to re-sign him at any price if he insists on staying at SS?

This board was rightly critical of Captain Intangibles for refusing to help the team by moving to a different position. Now it feels like we’re moving the goalposts. If X refuses to help the team by moving across the diamond, then he SHOULD be criticized. No one is owed a position - that’s basically the definition of entitlement in a team sport.
Xander will likely be much more willing to switch positions if he gets paid.
 

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Even then, Story’s wish to play for a contender was a factor.

Terrific signing, full stop. But I do think it legitimately got pretty dicey there. If you’d have devised a “waiting out the market” approach back in October, would you have guessed that the top free agent shortstops would sign with Detroit, Minnesota, Texas, Texas again, and the Dodgers? With the top second base fallback options signing with the Nats, Mets and Cubs?

I like the Yankees offseason for them, but they might have easily moved something like Peraza+Torres+ for Olson and signed Story themselves, or signed Correa to the same deal the Twins did without blocking Volpe. Houston, Seattle, SF or LAA could have gotten involved, someone might have accepted another wild overpay by a bad team (Baltimore, Colorado), or the Braves could have pre-signed a SS replacement (to play third) and dealt Swanson.

I have a ton of faith in Bloom and trust that he’s on top of these dynamics, had contingency plans, etc. But it might have gone very differently.
Yes, I agree. Waiting out the market is NOT without risk. As a fan, I was definitely frustrated by it and would have been even more if things had ended differently
 

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Yes, I agree. Waiting out the market is NOT without risk. As a fan, I was definitely frustrated by it and would have been even more if things had ended differently
I do wonder how many plans the FO had that don't pan out. Like we see them wait and wait and get Story and think it was dangerous to wait so long, but maybe that was their third or fourth plan but the first few didn't work out.
 

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I do wonder how many plans the FO had that don't pan out. Like we see them wait and wait and get Story and think it was dangerous to wait so long, but maybe that was their third or fourth plan but the first few didn't work out.
I believe it is highly likely that they were seriously in on a few of those other big free agents but ended up not landing any. Besides Correa's deal there aren't many of them that I was disappointed that Bloom couldn't top.
 

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I do wonder how many plans the FO had that don't pan out. Like we see them wait and wait and get Story and think it was dangerous to wait so long, but maybe that was their third or fourth plan but the first few didn't work out.
Wouldn't shock me if you're correct. I imagine that front offices have dozens and dozens of "plans" for everything and probably 99% of them never come through in a way that we fans would ever notice them (or care). This is likely especially true with front offices that don't leak like a sieve to the press. Bloom's front office, and frankly the Red Sox front office in general since Lucchino and Steinberg left, strike me as a pretty leak-proof operation.