For the coming year it probably doesn't make much of a difference. It's not like Bogaerts is a defensive disaster and I'm guessing that the Sox aren't interest in sabotaging his dreams of exploring the FA market as an elite SS. Keeping Bogaerts happy and motivated isn't the worst way to approach this season.
So perhaps 25M per year at how many years? Maybe 6 years like Story? That's a lot of $$$ to tie up in a pair of 35 year old middle IFs. We want to lock up Raffy too, yes? How much do we want to extend him at? I know there is $$$ coming off the books next year but we might also need to target a FA pitcher or three, figure out CF and catcher.
I don't think most of us around here want to see Bogaerts treated this way. Read Buckley's column in the Athletic that calls him "the soul of the franchise." He's a good guy who took a below market contract to stay here, and he has indicated that he is open to moving off shortstop eventually. (I'm guessing in a year or two.) He is therefore no Mookie and no Jeter.
FWIW, Bogaerts has a guaranteed 20M per through '25 with a 20M vested option for '26. His contract also affords him the opt out after this season. Sounds as though he's been treated quite well.
Why are we assuming that he insists on staying at SS forever? Isn't it entirely possible to extend him as a SS now and move him to 3B or LF in/by 2024 or 2025?
While insisting on staying at SS certainly would detract from his value, I think it's ridiculous to suggest that there isn't a contract value that would make such a demand acceptable.
Wait, when we're talking extension for Bogaerts, are we talking tear up what he has left after 2022 and give him a new deal or are we talking about tacking on to his existing deal in exchange for not opting out? Because it's a far cry different talking about locking him up through age 35-36 and through age 39. I'm in favor of tearing up the existing deal, not tacking on to it.
Yeah, I figured he’d opt out and sign a new deal in that scenario, so 6/$140 covering ‘23-28.
Yeah I think what you outline is the limit of what I would go to. For all-star caliber players I'm willing to think about extensions to their mid-30s, but get uncomfortable past that. Story's deal is to his age 34 season, with the 7th year for age 35 only triggering if he opts out and the Sox activate it. Xander's current deal takes him through age 33, and honestly that feels about right to me; if we're enticing him not to opt out of the 4/$80M he has after 2022, I'd rather add dollars than years, maybe tack on a fifth year, six is pushing it. I wouldn't want to go past that.
Okay. The 9/200 part confused me. The 3/60 he'll have already gotten from his current deal is irrelevant, so I don't see the point of adding it.
Regarding the bolded, I don't think that "we" are assuming this at all. But eeyore's gonna eeyore.
I would think that Wednesday would be reasonable given the short amount of time he has to work out his new position.
I share your optimism but don't set your hopes too high. From that Statcast page "This accounts for different wall heights and distances, but does not attempt to adjust for environmental effects. " Ball trajectory at Coors will be different to everywhere else.
With Mayer and Yorke on their way in four years, if not sooner, this isn't a sure thing
Ideally Devers is extended ASAP; the team should let a motivated X play the season and see where the chips fall. A bad year or injury may have him opting in.
I think something like this is actually likely. The Bogaerts FA PR campaign doesn't benefit from a persistent narrative that Bogaerts' ego or contract aspirations made the Sox worse; they also don't want Cora to "demote" Xander.
See The Naked Gun - baseball bloopers - YouTube at the 18 and 30 second marks for possible examples.
Any chance anyone can post the relevant quote from that Athletic article? All I’ve seen is his statements in the Globe where he sounded anything but willing to move from short.
I thought this as well at first but then I started looking for teams with need and money and you don't come up with many.
Isn't this true with most anyone who accepts their best offer (No one else offered more)?
According to Heyman the Rockies offered more than the Red Sox but Story wanted to get the h out of Colorado.
There wasn't a quote from X, just Buckley stating that, yes, the Sox probably do need to move him off short eventually:
https://theathletic.com/3196576/2022/03/19/buckley-as-red-sox-court-trevor-story-they-should-remember-what-they-have-in-xander-bogaerts/
Ok, I managed to get past beancounters and whiz kids. And Buckley had me at Rico and Valentin. But Yaz? Yaz?? He never played SS in the majors, and for good reason. He made 45 (!) errors in 116 games between second and short (13 in 12 games at SS) at Raleigh.
Even then, Story’s wish to play for a contender was a factor.
This is fair. And it’s also possible, maybe likely, that we’ll look back and think other deals would have been better and made more sense. Should we have signed Taylor and Gausman or Ray for about the same money as Hill/Paxton/Story? Time will tell. But right now, I can’t be too critical of Bloom’s overall approach this off-season.
Yes, I agree. Waiting out the market is NOT without risk. As a fan, I was definitely frustrated by it and would have been even more if things had ended differently
I do wonder how many plans the FO had that don't pan out. Like we see them wait and wait and get Story and think it was dangerous to wait so long, but maybe that was their third or fourth plan but the first few didn't work out.
I believe it is highly likely that they were seriously in on a few of those other big free agents but ended up not landing any. Besides Correa's deal there aren't many of them that I was disappointed that Bloom couldn't top.
Wouldn't shock me if you're correct. I imagine that front offices have dozens and dozens of "plans" for everything and probably 99% of them never come through in a way that we fans would ever notice them (or care). This is likely especially true with front offices that don't leak like a sieve to the press. Bloom's front office, and frankly the Red Sox front office in general since Lucchino and Steinberg left, strike me as a pretty leak-proof operation.
I thought the shift was banned? Though I never saw exactly what that entailed...
Any ban won't be enacted until 2023 at the earliest. I believe they agreed to a panel (mix of players, team personnel, and umpires) that will decide that stuff.
