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Yea she's been getting destroyed by just about everyone. I guess she doesn't make friends well? Anyway, time to hibernate.
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Marciano490 said:
Yeah, it's funny, I've never seen someone go from noon to night so quickly or anyone's loss involve so much glee. It's like if Brady had lost the SB last year, but he was already mostly disliked beforehand. Seemed every one loved Ronda till her face hit the canvas.
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IDK when I officially didn't like her, but it started during the lead up to the last Miesha fight where she exposed herself as a not-great person with some problems mentally. Then between that and the Correia fight every fight was blown way, way out of proportion by her fake, obnoxious fans. Plus the more I learned about her the less I liked. I was pro Ronda during the Correia fight even though I hated the JRE podcast and all the shadow boxing, mitt work, slow motion montages, and Tyson fawning over her as if she has even decent hands. It was all too annoying and fake. Then the disrespect for Holm, and I felt at this point a Ronda loss was better for the sport than a Ronda win.

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Funny you posted this. I just rewatched the fight, and Ronda definitely had a hold of Holm's arm 2-3 times in the fight. She definitely has a shot in the rematch.
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I don't think she just has a shot, I think she'll be the favorite.
 
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I haven't seen enough of Holm to know whether she was able to break loose of every clinch or attempted submission through her skill or Ronda's deficiencies.
 
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Firas Zahabi, GSP's trainer, had a great breakdown of the fight up on Youtube but its been pulled due to some copyright laws. Anyways, he basically showed that Holm defended Ronda's clinch attempts extremely well. Instead of wrapping her arm around Ronda's waist, like most of her opponents, she would keep her elbow tucked into her body. Holm would also keep her hips lower than Ronda's hips so she wouldnt be thrown and its kinda forgotten now but Holm actually scored a throw on Ronda towards the end of the 1st round. But he did show that Ronda was a move away from finishing the fight a few times but Holm was aleays a step ahead with her defense. The rematch is going to be interesting for sure.
 
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What is everyone's general opinion of the kind of shape these girls were in for this fight? Ronda did not appear to be in optimal shape (to my untrained eye) and Holm on the other hand looked like she was in the best shape of her life.

I would think in Ronda showed up in less than ideal condition, she won't make that mistake again. However, she's got a movie to do, so distractions are in the way prior to UFC200
 
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rembrat said:
Firas Zahabi, GSP's trainer, had a great breakdown of the fight up on Youtube but its been pulled due to some copyright laws. Anyways, he basically showed that Holm defended Ronda's clinch attempts extremely well. Instead of wrapping her arm around Ronda's waist, like most of her opponents, she would keep her elbow tucked into her body. Holm would also keep her hips lower than Ronda's hips so she wouldnt be thrown and its kinda forgotten now but Holm actually scored a throw on Ronda towards the end of the 1st round. But he did show that Ronda was a move away from finishing the fight a few times but Holm was aleays a step ahead with her defense. The rematch is going to be interesting for sure.
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I think that was the video Gunfighter posted yesterday. It was a great breakdown and highlighted how critical hips are with throws. RR's positioning looked... very poor. I'm not sure why given her judo background.
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What is everyone's general opinion of the kind of shape these girls were in for this fight? Ronda did not appear to be in optimal shape (to my untrained eye) and Holm on the other hand looked like she was in the best shape of her life.

I would think in Ronda showed up in less than ideal condition, she won't make that mistake again. However, she's got a movie to do, so distractions are in the way prior to UFC200
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I think that had more to do with RR taking punches to the face so often than her actual conditioning.
 
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If you look at Ronda at the weigh ins and on fight night you see just how much she cuts. I didn't notice too much of a difference with Holm.

EDIT: I, too, don't think that was why she was blocking punches with her face but it certainly doesn't help.
 
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My thought is the shape would play into the grappling more than the striking. Looked like Holm had the strength to escape and Ronda didn't have the answer for someone physically as strong or stronger than her. Granted throws and the judo stuff are all leverage, but I would think she'd have an easier time if she was at her physical peak. Again, I'm an untrained eye, just wondering what the experts think.
 
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rembrat said:
Firas Zahabi, GSP's trainer, had a great breakdown of the fight up on Youtube but its been pulled due to some copyright laws.
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That video was fantastic and I hope he reposts it with any necessary edits. In addition to everything you listed, he also pointed out how Holm used her proximity to the cage as part of her hip throw defense.
 
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Looks like this will be as much as we publicly see of Rousy until her badly battered face heals up.... from the airport after flying home - hid her face the whole time.

 
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Do you think she's crying into that pillow, too? How do we think her tears taste? Meanwhile, I saw some pics of Holm from the weigh-in. Looks like she was smuggling a human thumb down the front of her bikini.
 
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UFC affiliated people cracking jokes about someone being on PEDs is fucking hysterical. All those jabs about Cyborg's appearance are disgusting. Also, Joe Rogan is the worst in every possible regard.
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Yeah, I mean the PED stuff I suppose is just tribalism and marketing and innocuous enough. The "look at that tranny" shit is abhorrent coming from the two faces of the UFC. Say all you want about Goodell, but even he wouldn't say something so despicable or allow John Gruden or Chris Collinsworth to get away with doing so.
 
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No. I referenced her seemingly enlarged clitoris which is a direct side effect of test use in women.
 
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Not sure if Floyd is coming to her defense or just using this as an opportunity to remind everyone he's never lost. I doubt its both.


Also this

"I want Ronda Rousey to hold her head up high and don’t let this discourage you. If you need help as far as with boxing, I’m here to help you. It’s all about timing and inches. Her ground game is unbelievable. She’ll be okay."
 
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Marciano490 said:
Yeah, it's funny, I've never seen someone go from noon to night so quickly or anyone's loss involve so much glee. It's like if Brady had lost the SB last year, but he was already mostly disliked beforehand. Seemed every one loved Ronda till her face hit the canvas.
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IDK, there seemed to be a lot of haters popping up after her coach run on the Ultimate Fighter a while back. In a less controlled environment in terms of what was going to get aired, she came off as quite the drama queen bitch (which is probably why she latter stated a complete non-interest in ever doing it again).

Plus it had kind of morphed into a John Cena with the WWE type thing, where at some point a lot of fans just can't help but start resenting the fact that RR was literally being shoved down our throat like a Kardashian at every turn lately. With the last few months being especially bad in that regard.

I mean that "once ever" promo for this fight that seemingly ran non-stop...jesus. I flipped over to the on-demand channel today to catch up on Gotham and they were still running the thing non-stop even post-fight.
 
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PaulinMyrBch said:
Not sure if Floyd is coming to her defense or just using this as an opportunity to remind everyone he's never lost. I doubt its both.


Also this

"I want Ronda Rousey to hold her head up high and don’t let this discourage you. If you need help as far as with boxing, I’m here to help you. It’s all about timing and inches. Her ground game is unbelievable. She’ll be okay."
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Is he taking the high road here, or has he taken so many hits to the head that he's forgotten how badly Ronda has rebuked him in the media?
 
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Marciano490 said:
Yeah, it's funny, I've never seen someone go from noon to night so quickly or anyone's loss involve so much glee. It's like if Brady had lost the SB last year, but he was already mostly disliked beforehand. Seemed every one loved Ronda till her face hit the canvas.
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With all due respect, I think your bias against Ronda is coloring your view a bit. From where I stand, this isn't much different than any other fighter of her stature. People love seeing a hero fall, and that is especially true in combat sports, where a lack of civic pride causes allegiances to be thin. Yeah, the reaction has been strong, but that has a lot to do with how high she had to fall from.

Personally, I loved her attitude, but that approach obviously comes with risk. It will be interesting to see what her demeanor is like leading up to her next fight. She can't really act like she's a world beater anymore. That could factor into the outcome as well, as in her last few fights before Holm, it almost seemed like she had mentally beaten her opponent before they even stepped into the ring.
 
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I've been psyched for this card since August, but the excitement is always tempered because seemingly every card loses a match due to injury.

Welp, no injuries, so this one should be excellent
 
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What's up with Rockhold. Never seen him fight. He have a shot against Weidman? And how good do we think he is outside wrestling?
 
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Infield Infidel said:
I've been psyched for this card since August, but the excitement is always tempered because seemingly every card loses a match due to injury.

Welp, no injuries, so this one should be excellent
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Yeah I'm going to run through every wall when the time comes.

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What's up with Rockhold. Never seen him fight. He have a shot against Weidman? And how good do we think he is outside wrestling?
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He absolutely has a shot, but he's more of a JJ guy than a wrestler. I don't think he's had the hardest fights recently but that's the 185 roster IMO now that Machida and Silva are toast. To his credit he's made them look easy, but what really has me excited for this fight has been the way he's carrying himself, his confidence, it seems like he's really peaking athletically; and also the camp stories and experience he gets from training with Cain and DC.
 
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What's up with Rockhold. Never seen him fight. He have a shot against Weidman? And how good do we think he is outside wrestling?
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I think Rockhold is a great all-around fighter, unfortunately he's fighting a guy who seems to be a little bit better than him at every aspect of the game. I think Weidman takes the fight and is in for a bigger challenge when he faces the winner of Romero/Jacare. In that case he'll either be fighting an olympic wrestler who has more power than him in Romero or a true BJJ master with strong hands in Souza.
 
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I don't know if that is the case, Rockhold's resume holds up pretty well against the champ's. I am partial towards the AKA guys, but I think his rapid destruction of Machida relative to Weidman's relatively close decision vs. the dragon as well as his win over Jacare' are both signs that he is more than qualified to beat Weidman. He is more a JJ guy, winning most of his fights via submission, but he tends to get there by striking the crap out of his opponents, the best examples being what he did to Machida and Bisping. He should have gotten this shot a while ago, since he was the Strikeforce champ, but he got KO'd in his first UFC fight by a juiced up Vitor Belfort (who Weidman crushed) in Brazil back in 2013.

Both Weidman and Rockhold are big guys for 185 (Rockhold is 6'3") so it will be interesting to see how they do in the post IV UFC.


By the way, this is a huge week for the UFC with a bunch of great fights. They have PVZ vs Najamulas on Thursday night, the TFF final with Mendes V. Edgar on Friday and then UFC 194 on Saturday.
 
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Weidman beat Vitor but he didn't beat the same Vitor that beat Rockhold.

I also don't think the Machida fights are apples to apples.
 
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Phragle said:
Weidman beat Vitor but he didn't beat the same Vitor that beat Rockhold.

I also don't think the Machida fights are apples to apples.
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Probably true, though the two Machida fights are only ten months apart.

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What's post IV UFC refer to?
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The UFC banned IVs for post weigh in rehydration earlier this year. I assume this will affect guys who cut larger amounts of weight like Rockhold and Weidman more than others. Of course, Cormier seemed just fine in the Gustafson fight in October and I don't think any of the top fighters cut as much weight as he does.
 
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Gunfighter 09 said:
Probably true, though the two Machida fights are only ten months apart.
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Ten months and one hard beating from Weidman on an already old fighter. Those are facts but it's my opinion that Machida hasn't looked like himself since the Weidman fight. Also I believe Weidman got Machida in the big cage and Rockhold in the small one. Machida's style is much more effective in the big cage.

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How is that enforced? Do they assign each fighter a baby sitter?
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Plastics in the blood.
 
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A big reason Rockhold's taken so long to get a title shot is injuries. It's kinda like Dominick Cruz, they both were really good in previous promotions, just an unlucky string of injuries that literally took years of the primes. I'm just excited both guys are getting title shots soon (Cruz faces Dillashaw next month).
 
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This is a stupid ignorant question but why does it take a fighter like 8 months to get ready to fight again? 5 minute match and Rousey can't fight till June?

People tear an ACL and are back before that. I'm sure there is a reason i just don't know what it is.
 
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What are you talking about, just Rousey? She's filming a movie I think. Fighters don't fight every 8 months. Cowboy Cerrone fights every month basically.
 
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A training camp for a MMA fighter, at this level, usually lasts 3 months. In Ronda's case she might not be cleared to do anything for a few months because she got her head knocked off but I haven't read anything saying this. The real reason seems to be booking bullshit. July 9th will be UFC 200 and there is a new arena in Las Vegas that will host the event that holds 20,000 people. And that's why they're holding both of them back.
 
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DukeSox said:
This is a stupid ignorant question but why does it take a fighter like 8 months to get ready to fight again? 5 minute match and Rousey can't fight till June?

People tear an ACL and are back before that. I'm sure there is a reason i just don't know what it is.
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1. Movie time
2. In ESPN interview, she said she can't eat apples for a while. They claim that jaw wasn't broken, but she got fucked up somehow.
3. She should probably do some serious training before getting back in the ring with Holm.
 
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Eh, every time I got popped in the jaw I couldn't eat apples for awhile. It gets sore, quick.
 
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I wish I watched more MMA and knew Aldo better, because I wasn't hugely impressed by CM. I thought the fight was fairly even until the TKO, and that it was a pretty quick call, especially considering how late in the round it was. The guy isn't a huge puncher it doesn't seem, not commensurate with the hype. If I knew more about Aldo I'd feel very comfy betting him at that line because there's got to be a ton of CM hype baked in.
 
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