I shudder to think what Brady would be worth if this were his early primeMahomes really signed a dumb contract.
I shudder to think what Brady would be worth if this were his early primeMahomes really signed a dumb contract.
Why? The NFL routinely slaps its own suspension on top of investigations which don't lead to indictment.Watson has already sat out a year and wasn't indicted. I think you let him play and see where these civil cases go, if anywhere.
He was paid though wasn’t he?Watson has already sat out a year and wasn't indicted. I think you let him play and see where these civil cases go, if anywhere.
Don't disagree Watson should lose more than $1 million, but for some context, year one base for Allen's new deal was $920k, $990k for Mahomes, and $1.6 million for Dak. It's not even remotely an outlier, it's how these deals are structured.No one's disputing that it happens. But we all know why it's only ONE million this year, right? Either way, the commish should lay down a fine hammer along with the lengthy suspension, assuming he can.
This may be the funniest side note of this thread. Cleveland is going to worry about trading Baker within the AFC? Really? He sucks. They probably prefer he's in the AFC.
They should trade him to the SteelersThis may be the funniest side note of this thread. Cleveland is going to worry about trading Baker within the AFC? Really? He sucks. They probably prefer he's in the AFC.
I certainly am now.I think double gross covers it. Anyone else imagining Watson twirling a bar-handle mustache, while looking at himself in the mirror?
Which one of them was also facing 20+ sexual assault charges and a potential suspension after being traded?Don't disagree Watson should lose more than $1 million, but for some context, year one base for Allen's new deal was $920k, $990k for Mahomes, and $1.6 million for Dak. It's not even remotely an outlier, it's how these deals are structured.
Oh ye of little faith.AFC QBs
Mahomes
Allen
Wilson
Lamar
Herbert
Burrow
Watson
Hope Mac enjoyed his Pro Bowl experience this year...
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I was hoping that would be the structure of the NFL’s fine.
He could be facing zero sexual assault charges and based on Cleveland's cap situation and the normal structure of recent large QB deals, I would guess his base salary for next year is probably right around $1 million. It can simultaneously be true that Watson is a horrible human who deserves to lose more than his $1 million 2022 base salary and that Cleveland did not do anything out of the norm with his contract structure that suggests the team was going out of its way to limit Watson's financial downside in the event of a suspension.Which one of them was also facing 20+ sexual assault charges and a potential suspension after being traded?
I bet he gets 4-6 games max. There are zero criminal charges.Is a suspension of more than four games - or, I suppose, any suspension at all - actually likely?
he wasn’t found to be generally aware of the ideal gas law or other operation of science. Otherwise his range is from 4 games (Brady) to bring burned at the stake (Bruno)Is a suspension of more than four games - or, I suppose, any suspension at all - actually likely?
Absolutely!Wow $230mm fully guaranteed after all of these allegations. I’m actually nauseous.
Is a suspension of more than four games - or, I suppose, any suspension at all - actually likely?
8 games is currently the standard for when you are credibly accused of Sexual Assault but not charged.I bet he gets 4-6 games max. There are zero criminal charges.
I think you are off the length of suspension. Given Brady got 4 games for destroying his phone, DW is looking at 2 games easily.I bet he gets 4-6 games max. There are zero criminal charges.
Does this mean the suspension should be 11 years in this case?8 games is currently the standard for when you are credibly accused of Sexual Assault but not charged.
Who am I forgetting that is more recent? Ben got 4 games, as I recall.8 games is currently the standard for when you are credibly accused of Sexual Assault but not charged.
Antonio Brown was suspended for 8 games in 2020.Who am I forgetting that is more recent? Ben got 4 games, as I recall.
AB.Who am I forgetting that is more recent? Ben got 4 games, as I recall.
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That's about 10m for every civil suit he faces on sexual assault or harassment charges.
I think you have this exactly right.I think one question is whether Goodell is going to do a “time served” punishment bc Houston sat him last year (Watson was never on the Commissioner’s Exempt List for some reason that never made sense to me) and give him a very light—or even a nonexistent—suspension. Honestly, nothing would surprise me at this point.
Sounds about right. They are shameless. Eight games in 2022 would probably strike the right PR balance between we “care” and “no criminal charges”, but they’ll fuck it up. Will this lead to teams “self-suspending” players more often in the future?I think you have this exactly right.
Goddell is going to announce a massive suspension offset by the season he just sat out. He'll then proclaim that the NFL is a leader on the issue of sexual assault and move forward.
I think this is right and I expect that the NFL has already told this to the Browns and the other teams that were serious about Watson. Whether the NFL suspends him is a big question mark but there’s no particular reason the NFLdoesnt know it or not couldn’t discretely share it with particular nfl ownershipI think one question is whether Goodell is going to do a “time served” punishment bc Houston sat him last year (Watson was never on the Commissioner’s Exempt List for some reason that never made sense to me) and give him a very light—or even a nonexistent—suspension. Honestly, nothing would surprise me at this point.
Cant to the ProBowl when playing in the SB, duhOh ye of little faith.
8 is the number I’ve come up with as well. Zeke got suspended for 6 games, but he didn’t have 22 women lined up accusing him of sexual assault.Sounds about right. They are shameless. Eight games in 2022 would probably strike the right PR balance between we “care” and “no criminal charges”, but they’ll fuck it up. Will this lead to teams “self-suspending” players more often in the future?
The crazy thing is, there are other ways to win. Watson is elite but there are a number of elite QBs he will have to get through to even make the Super Bowl, and 2 who are arguably comparable to him in his own division.I have wanted the Browns to succeed because it is a great and tortured fanbase. But that goodwill is on hold until Watson is gone. I understand the front offices are paid to win, but yuck.
I agree, one of those guys will be in the Super Bowl every year and at least three will decline the invitation, Mac still has a shot!Oh ye of little faith.
I want this all to go terribly wrong for Watson and the Browns, but how wrong can it go for Watson considering the allegations against him and the fact that he's still got 230M guaranteed?Doesn't seem so, initial report is three first rounders and two other picks (no Browns players.
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I'd like to think we can all trash the Watson situation without implying that betting on the sport you play in any way, shape or form is OK, even in relative terms. You CANNOT do what Ridley did, period.This would be an “unprecedented” suspension, which is how they will try to spin it. Meanwhile Calvin Ridley sits out an entire season for betting $1000 on the Falcons moneyline through an NFL partner.
We’re in agreement, however I think we can all also agree that what Watson is accused of doing is 1,000x worse at a human level, but the NFL will hand out a penalty maybe half as severe because it doesn’t affect their bottom line.I'd like to think we can all trash the Watson situation without implying that betting on the sport you play in any way, shape or form is OK, even in relative terms. You CANNOT do what Ridley did, period.
Ridley's sin isn't fundamentally about the bottom line - it's about competitive integrity, without which professional sport cannot exist. Betting is an existential threat, and the NFL had to act accordingly with Ridley. (I agree with you about which crimes are worse at a human level and by how much.)We’re in agreement, however I think we can all also agree that what Watson is accused of doing is 1,000x worse at a human level, but the NFL will hand out a penalty maybe half as severe because it doesn’t affect their bottom line.
I believe that it’s because when it comes to criminal charges, the burden is on the plaintiffs to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Watson did the things they’re accusing him of.Can someone walk me through why there were no charges against Watson. Can they not use the number of accusations as evidence of a pattern so it was just like two dozen he said she said cases?
All we know is that the grand jury declined to recommend charges. That's typically fatal to the prosecution's case. https://www.nfl.com/news/grand-jury-declines-to-indict-texans-qb-deshaun-watson-following-allegations-of-Can someone walk me through why there were no charges against Watson. Can they not use the number of accusations as evidence of a pattern so it was just like two dozen he said she said cases?
I know no one wants to really relitigate this, but I’ve never really heard it emphasized enough of the reason Goodall were after Pat’s was because they were after NFL.^^ This is one reason why Goodell came down so hard on NE for both Spygate and the absurd Deflategate issues. For the sake of competitive integrity, manipulating the game or gaining an illegal competitive edge is a more grievous sin/crime than domestic violence.
Obviously we know that Deflategate didn’t even happen but the point is that if it did, it’s more serious from a competitive integrity standpoint than real human crimes.
No it wasn't about competitive integrity on the field why they came down so hard on the Patriots. It's a bullshit patina they put on going after the Partriots. And the reason we know this is there are plenty of other times where teams have been caught doing thing to impact the "integrity" of the game, and sometimes didn't even get the fines that are proscribed in the rule book or the barest min fines for it.^^ This is one reason why Goodell came down so hard on NE for both Spygate and the absurd Deflategate issues. For the sake of competitive integrity, manipulating the game or gaining an illegal competitive edge is a more grievous sin/crime than domestic violence.
Obviously we know that Deflategate didn’t even happen but the point is that if it did, it’s more serious from a competitive integrity standpoint than real human crimes.