Agreed. This looks like a good year to find a WR in late round 1. They just have to avoid a N’Keal Harry situation.
They have close to 50M in cap space and another 12M will be free once they move on from MVS. They are in a good cap position with really only Chris Jones and possibly Snead to resign and virtually no dead cap space, compared to NE who already have 9M in dead cap in 24. They could be a player for Mike Evans, Calvin Ridley or a consolation prize like Gabe Davis who would easily be a top 2 WR in KC.
Are you saying Mahomes and Mac are equal in skill level and the receivers are just letting him down?
According to the Gisele-Tom corollary, it's all Taylor Swift's fault.
And Burrow (who turns 27 in a couple of weeks) has as many pro bowl appearances as Mac Jones. Allen, Lawrence, Herbert, Jackson, Burrow...I have no idea which of these guys will step up and be the #2 guy over the next few years.
Throw Stroud on the list, he's having a ridiculous rookie year and has the tools to be top QB.
I wouldn’t say meaningless. In small sample sizes maybe but when you won as much as Tom Brady did, with all kinds of different conglomerations of teammates, it means something.
That is nonsense. They aren't meaningless. They have some meaning. But not all the meaning.
Of course QB quality has a correlation to winning. So does defensive line quality, and special teams quality and coaching quality. Quarterbacks can get "wins," as Wilson did against the Eagles, even when their performance was below average or worse. Trent Dilfer "won" a Super Bowl.
You said QB wins are meaningless.
The RT doesn’t have to be physically on the line to be considered on the line. Seriously.
Yes I did, then I made clear I was talking about the stat of "QB wins." I believe that to be true. I explained my position in the post you quoted; don't see what else I need to say.
You guys have clearly not been watching football this season.
Who is clutching pearls, and who said that QB play is down? And I don't believe I've said a thing about overall quality (good or bad), other than stating that there's a massive gap between Mahomes and the next group of guys. You want to add 4-5 more guys (that you mention here) to the players I mentioned earlier, it wouldn't be out of line. Which is my point, there's Mahomes, then a large gap, with no clear #2.
Except for the fact that QB is objectively down in 2023, your post is great.
SBs aren't really the QB win stat, but even then, Dilfer winning one does the opposite of prove your point, since nobody would say he was the best QB the year he played, yet he got the only SB win.
Wins sometimes aren't directly tied to performance but they often are directly tied to performance. How often does a QB sucking result in a win versus how often a great performance results in a win? Does a team have a better chance of winning if the QB throws 3 TDs or 3 INTs?
yeah I don't see how this is a controversial take at all. Just because they aren't everything doesn't mean they are nothing.
It was always weird how they lost to just as many mediocre QBs as good ones in the Brady years, even when they dominated
ORLY?
My bad then.. but in the first game he was too far back and was getting up out of his stance early on every snap.. which seemed to be the same last night. Also.. how far back is he allowed to be back to still be considered on the line?
You post that link like it it a gotcha, All the numbers are trending down over the last four seasons.
Ummm.....lots of folks?
It's like when a receiver turns to the ref and says that he is on the line and the ref gives him the thumbs up....it is subjective. Usually the ref will talk to the lineman before calling anything just as he will tell a WR to move forward or backwards. As a rule of thumb.....the lineman has to have the crown of his helmet in front of the center's belt......but you have Tackles literally not even putting their hand down on some plays now, so who knows.
You are just completely wrong in this statement. Man, you suck at data. Do people take advantage of you regularly? There was a spike in 2020. That's the story. The rest is normal variance and you being unable to realize that your hypothesis is idiotic. I expect to hear more clinging to this but the old "Hey, I know what I see with my eyes, and I found a few numbers that - if I ignore normal season-to-season and in season variance - back up my point" sure seems like a warm, cozy return to the days of batting average being printed in the newspaper.
Last year Bailey Zappe won every game he started, Cooper Rush won 80% of his starts, the year before Rush, Case Keenum and PJ Walker won all their starts and Taysom Hill and Colt McCOy combined to go 6-2.
Raw passing yards? yes they have zero value as a statistic
He’s completely wrong why? What data points show that? Is static good? In a league where rules have been heavily tilted towards offense shouldn’t there naturally be an increase?? So by the data you reference the NFL spiked in 2020 and has been meh since. Sounds about right actually.
You make some good points, though I disagree that it's a "worthless" stat for QBs. But let's think about that last statement you made. What does a QB have control over, really?
QB rating for the last ten years.
Interesting you keep falling back to a lack of intelligence when it’s really just perspective. QBR is down 5 points since 2020. You literally keep saying there was a spike and now it’s less. We’re saying the same damn thing. The play is lesser than previous years is it not? A spike infers a rise? Then it goes down yeah? Just because you’re not catastrophizing it doesn’t make it any less true.
Didn’t they already do this with Hunt, Kelce, and Hill?
This is a topic of heavy conversation on this New England-based message board and basically nowhere else. So yeah, it’s just because the Pats suck.
It’s definitely being discussed elsewhere. I’ll post a link in the other thread to keep it in the discussion over there.
By rule? He has to be lined up parallel to the line and have any piece of his body breaking the plane drawn through the waist of the snapper.
