Week 14 NFL Game Thread

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can someone explain to me why you’re not allowed to advance a muffed punt/kick? It’s cost the bears 14 pts tonight
 

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can someone explain to me why you’re not allowed to advance a muffed punt/kick? It’s cost the bears 14 pts tonight
I thought the ball on a kickoff was a free ball. Is the rule different for an onside kick?
 

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Definitely no to one, I think you would get a fifteen yard penalty. I don’t think you can do two, either; they routinely flag for unsportsmanlike conduct any attempt to use another player as leverage when defending against a kick.
On point number one...first off, that’s a dumb rule. Why can’t you block it that way? They allow you to block passes not only at the LOS but also as the ball is coming down into a player’s hands.

And second, if the other team is attempting a 60 yard FG with just seconds to go to win the game against you, and their kick is barely going to make it, swat it away and take the 15 yard penalty and make the guy try again from 45 yards. He probably will still make it, but you’re knocking away a certain make so at least it gives you a chance. That’s well worth the 15 yard penalty.
 
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On point number one...first off, that’s a dumb rule. Why can’t you block it that way? They allow you to block passes not only at the LOS but also as the ball is coming down into a player’s hands.

And second, if the other team is attempting a 60 yard FG with jut seconds to go to win the game against you, and their kick is barely going to make it, swat it away and take the 15 yard penalty and make the guy try again from 45 yards. He probably will still make it, but you’re knocking away a certain make so at least it gives you a chance. That’s well worth the 15 yard penalty.
The one problem with taking a 15-yard penalty is that it doesn't make field goal attempt shorter. It gives the other team a first down.
 
The one problem with taking a 15-yard penalty is that it doesn't make field goal attempt shorter. It gives the other team a first down.
Which at the end of a game (or half) is meaningless, to @BaseballJones' point.

I think the bigger problem with putting a man back to block a FG attempt like this is that you then have one fewer player at the line of scrimmage who can potentially block the kick.
 

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The one problem with taking a 15-yard penalty is that it doesn't make field goal attempt shorter. It gives the other team a first down.
I know. Which is why I made the scenario one of those game-winning with just seconds left kind of kicks. Sure they'd have a first down, but they'd still be around the 30 yard line and would definitely re-kick. You wouldn't do this with two minutes left. It wouldn't come up very often, but in the specific instance I suggest, it's well worth the 15-yard penalty.
 

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I thought the ball on a kickoff was a free ball. Is the rule different for an onside kick?
It’s all about possession. If a kick returner fully possesses the ball and fumbles, it’s returnable no matter the type of kick. If he touches it and never possesses, it’s a muff and cannot be advanced. Untouched kickoffs past ten yards untouched also cannot be advanced.
 

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Nantz didn’t mention it was Archie Manning throwing a Pick Six in 77 for the Bucs first win.
I also noticed that during the broadcast. I was legit surprised that he didn't mention it, but after thinking about it, my surprise went away.
I also noticed that Romo, who throws his two cents in on everything, didn't say anything about it.
 

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It’s all about possession. If a kick returner fully possesses the ball and fumbles, it’s returnable no matter the type of kick. If he touches it and never possesses, it’s a muff and cannot be advanced. Untouched kickoffs past ten yards untouched also cannot be advanced.
The muff rule is one of those head scratchers. I'm sure there is a technical reason, like a muff is never a ball fully possessed or something. But whatever, it's still pretty dumb.
 

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The muff rule is one of those head scratchers. I'm sure there is a technical reason, like a muff is never a ball fully possessed or something. But whatever, it's still pretty dumb.
Even if a muff “can’t be advanced” why wouldn’t the play like we saw from the returner in the Buff game be a safety, just like any other touch from the Offense that goes out of the back of the end zone?
 

BaseballJones

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67 yards in the air, on a dime, after rolling away from pressure. Pretty nice ball. That kid is good - except when he plays the Pats. :)
 

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Jonathan Allen from the WFT also.


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Reddick strings together some of the least meaningful crap I have ever heard on an NFL broadcast.