I don't mind the tie in, again it's the over the top hyperbolic way Gruden presented it. Not the hill I'm willing to die on either so it's all good Joe.smokin joe wood said:You (the viewer) are not going to like everything in the broadcast. It's also likely misguided to blame that segment on Gruden. ESPN is constantly pushing tie-ins during their broadcasts and cross promotional stuff is gold for programming folks.
This isn't the hill I'm willing to die on but 'commentator X sucks' is a pretty common theme on this message board and it just doesn't seem to add much. I'm also genuinely interested in what commentators people like.
Gannon is pretty good. I'd take him and Harlon over Simms and Nantz every day and twice on Sundays.GeorgeCostanza said:I don't mind the tie in, again it's the over the top hyperbolic way Gruden presented it. Not the hill I'm willing to die on either so it's all good Joe.
What do you think of Rich Gannon as a colored guy?
CR67dream said:So tell us which analysts you find enlightening?
What games have they done recently? I didn't even know Ronde was an analyst.ipol said:Barber is paired with Chris Myers whom, surprisingly, has become not wholly hate-able.
GeorgeCostanza said:What games have they done recently? I didn't even know Ronde was an analyst.
Fair enough, but if Collinsworth is the best, there's a hell of a lot of work to do.smokin joe wood said:
Enlightening is an interesting way of asking. I think Gruden is really good. He is obviously very knowledgable and I have chosen to ignore most of his shtick. He is very skilled at taking the 10-15 seconds he gets between plays to explain what has happened or setup the next play. It's a really hard thing to do.
Collinsworth is likely the best. The entire SNF production is ridiculously good.
Simms was better a few years ago but he simplifies things for the viewer really well. He's also working with the worst (IMO) of the #1 PBP guys at the four networks. He's also doing 2 games a week which makes it harder.
I haven't heard enough of most of the younger/newer guys like Cooley and I'm not a big Aikman guy.
Herbstreit and Chris Spielman are both good college analysts. I was surprised how good Mack Brown was right away for an older coach.
Generally speaking, it is a really hard thing learn and do well. Most former players either rely too much on their playing experience or don't have the charisma to pull it off.
GeorgeCostanza said:I don't mind the tie in, again it's the over the top hyperbolic way Gruden presented it. Not the hill I'm willing to die on either so it's all good Joe.
What do you think of Rich Gannon as a colored guy?
That's a fair point. I would counter by saying that it's not hard to imagine that network execs are making consistently poor hiring decisions -- why does the color commentator needs to be a well-known former player or coach? If the perspective of a former player or coach is desired, why not find a more obscure figure who has a better knack for broadcasting?smokin joe wood said:
In a multi-billion dollar industry, if nobody's any good isn't that an indication that the parameters for judging should probably be reevaluated? More simply - if you don't like any NFL analyst isn't that just as likely your fault as the people doing the hiring?
CR67dream said:Fair enough, but if Collinsworth is the best, there's a hell of a lot of work to do.
My condolencesipol said:They do a lot of Panthers games. I live in the Charlotte suburbs.
maufman said:That's a fair point. I would counter by saying that it's not hard to imagine that network execs are making consistently poor hiring decisions -- why does the color commentator needs to be a well-known former player or coach? If the perspective of a former player or coach is desired, why not find a more obscure figure who has a better knack for broadcasting?
As a RZ subscriber, I don't catch the secondary crews often enough to have strongly held opinions about them. Among the A-teams, I like Gruden a lot better than Simms or Collinsworth, but not nearly as much as Aikman. (And while Collinsworth has his supporters, I don't know anyone who likes Simms -- he perfectly illustrates my point about bad hiring.)
You like him, I think he sucks. You may be right, I may be crazy. But I still think he sucks. So, goodnight.smokin joe wood said:
Find the Real Sports piece on Collinsworth. He narrates games from his house so the producer and tape op producer know what angles he wants to see on replay. That is mind numbing. He's really good. He hasn't played in the NFL since '88 and can call a game like he retired a couple of years ago. That is so hard for a former player that was never a coach.
General rule of thumb in broadcasting - if fans of both teams hate you - you are probably doing your job well.
It just may be a lunatic you're looking for.CR67dream said:You may be right, I may be crazy. But...
smokin joe wood said:
General rule of thumb in broadcasting - if fans of both teams hate you - you are probably doing your job well.
Just outside of Worcester, MA so yea we usually get hammered pretty good. But I work from home full time and I love the snow so bring that shit on.ipol said:Plenty of good in Rock Hill, plenty not so much. Your friend is about twenty minutes south of Charlotte, I'm about twenty minutes north.
If you are in the northeast and, once again, get more than eight feet of snow while we get less than eight inches, you, then. will have my condolences.
The best guy I ever heard do color was Dick Vermeil. I felt like I learned more in a drive then I ever had from another announcer. I don't like collinsworth. I like Simms enough. I think the personality of the color guy is more important to me than what they say. I can't take Randy Cross. That dude is mutable. I like Aikman but Joe Buck is also mutable so it's a tough combo.maufman said:That's a fair point. I would counter by saying that it's not hard to imagine that network execs are making consistently poor hiring decisions -- why does the color commentator needs to be a well-known former player or coach? If the perspective of a former player or coach is desired, why not find a more obscure figure who has a better knack for broadcasting?
As a RZ subscriber, I don't catch the secondary crews often enough to have strongly held opinions about them. Among the A-teams, I like Gruden a lot better than Simms or Collinsworth, but not nearly as much as Aikman. (And while Collinsworth has his supporters, I don't know anyone who likes Simms -- he perfectly illustrates my point about bad hiring.)
ipol said:Wasn't McCarthy quick to cast aspersions on Belichick? This was like, ten years ago...
Smiling Joe Hesketh said:PFF gave Rodgers a negative grade for his game last night (-0.8). Bortles graded out higher than Rodgers did this week (-0.7).
They suck, and they should really never be mentioned on this board again.
Smiling Joe Hesketh said:Even better, PFF's initial grade on Rodgers was -2.3, and then when they caught a raft of shit for that they discovered a "math error" and revised it to -0.8.
They are the worst.
If only we would be that blessed, but you know some media company is going to pay for the right to the numbers.Shelterdog said:
They're not going to make their numbers available to the general public any more so hopefully we won't have to wade through them.
thank ushawnrbu said:Manning played a great game.
Very realistic that Denver is 9-1 when they play New England.