Chatham agrees with me FWIW:
https://x.com/chatham58/status/1721273597749076374?s=46&t=0BmQ-9TYN7pIIfzDCoYxZA
https://x.com/chatham58/status/1721273597749076374?s=46&t=0BmQ-9TYN7pIIfzDCoYxZA
Week 9 Commies vs. Pats
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JuJu drops the 4th down pass and we say Mac could have thrown a much better pass. I hate Juju as much as I hate Mac, the reality is they both suck and when you rely on 2 terrible players to convert 2 tough plays back to back, that is the result.
Count me among those thinking that INT isn't on Mac. Yeah he could have had a better game but blaming him for that pick is a stretch.
It was on JuJu. I was just saying that they’d need to get some more yards. Probably had a snap or two to do that after they would have clocked it.
agree but also the game should have ended the play before, Juju bailed him out with a great catch
There’s 3 or 4 really good QB prospects. Only question now is if the Pats take the right one.
He had both hands on it. Don’t we always say that if an NFL WR gets two hands on a ball then he HAS to catch it?
Ahhh, gotcha. It’s OK, I say enough dumb nonsense that deserves calling out.
Mac and Juju both suck. Juju bailed him out on the 4th down play and then fucked him on the int. Shit team with shit players. Let’s get a draft pick.
The guy who’s saying Mac’s arm is super strong? He needs to make up his mind.
Singling out mac is delusional at this point imo. He sucks. Flat out. But the outcome of that game is different if raegor makes the catch on the deep ball; juju makes the final catch; hell even if Thornton keeps running that route that he was benched for after. Outcome might also be different if the punt return team didn’t eff up like 4 straight times. They have so many deficiencies at this point the hand wringing about which aspect is the most deficient is boring to me.
But Mac is by far the most glaring one. He was dreadful today, as he has been all season.
This. The throw should have been a catch. JuJu sucks. Unfortunately so does Mac and pretty much every one else on this roster on the offensive side.
Yes, let's not forget that Mac threw an absolutely PERFECT deep ball to Reagor and he let it go right through his hands. Like Parker did a few weeks ago.
Mac had some terrible plays today, let's have nobody think otherwise. But he isn't getting tons of help either.
Mac had some terrible plays today, let's have nobody think otherwise. But he isn't getting tons of help either.
Nah, He should have caught it. A few of you have really lost it. Like others have said, Mac does soooo many things poorly. It’s Ok to blame someone else when something isn’t really his fault.
I just don’t see it that way. I’m as angry at special teams as I am at mac. Douglas deciding to run it back, followed by all those penalties. And they are relying on fucking Jalen raegor to make big plays for them. I just think it’s more of a systemic problem than the qb. You’ve got a qb that routinely makes bad decisions, skill guys that can’t come up with big plays when the qb makes good decisions/throws, and the special teams routinely making the hill to climb even steeper.
edit: I could’ve stopped at “I’m angry”
Just to be clear I'm talking about the 4th down dirt ball Juju picked off the ground. I agree 100% he should catch the last pass but the 4th down catch is incomplete 80% of the time. When you throw tight windows consistently this is the result.
On that particular play, yes. Mac is bad. Most of the rest of this team is bad. Sometimes, on a given play, Mac is not the one doing the bad thing and it’s a different bad player doing the bad thing. Nobody is saying Mac is good. I don’t think anyone is even arguing he’s average at this point. Some of us are just saying that not every bad outcome on the field is on him, he occasionally does some okay stuff.
Hugh had four or 5 last minute wins in his season as a starter IIRC. Mac has one in his career.
Can this Pats team run that kind of play? Catch a ball, run up to the line, and spike it, without a penalty?
Saying the pick at the end wasn’t his fault isn’t defending him. He’s horrible and I can’t really watch much more of him. The fourth down throw to Juju was awful. He had a ton of awful throws, his mechanics suck, he’s got a noddle arm, and his decision making isn’t good. But the last throw wasn’t bad and the INT was not his fault. He’s still a big reason why they lost though.
Ok I’m less angry now. I actually agree, mac is the most glaring problem. But I also think there are so many other glaring issues the team still wouldn’t be anywhere remotely close to fun to watch (which is kind of the goal right?) even with a significantly better qb. So that’s why I find the handwringing about which is the most glaring issue tiring. But that’s my perspective…if yours is that they’d be a fun/competitive team with better qb play I get all the shade thrown macs way, even if I don’t agree with it
I truly believe that a good QB on this very same team would solve a ton of their issues. The players clearly don't believe in him, thus they all try to do too much on special teams and with routes and fuck up. The defense feels the pressure on them because they know the offense sucks, so they overplay and commit penalties in a desperate attempt to keep the team in the game.
Everything flows from having a shitty QB. My POV is that if they had a decent to good QB out there with this very same team, they'd easily be above .500. Mac is absolutely killing them. The WRs aren;t great but they aren;t THAT bad. They have a QB throwing to them who literally cannot throw an NFL ball.
Bad teams find a way to lose, and that is what we are. Bad teams also give you a Rorschach test to make whatever arguments you like. If you still have hope for Mac, it’s Reagor’s and Juju’s fault. If you hate Mac, there’s plenty to work with. If Bill is your issue, there’s plenty there too. If the games are close, we can focus more on the fourth quarter bad plays, but there are usually enough bad early plays that we can do that too.
We are a bad team. We find ways to lose, and if it wasn’t one thing it would be another. It’s a steaming pile of crap.
We are a bad team. We find ways to lose, and if it wasn’t one thing it would be another. It’s a steaming pile of crap.
I can’t bring myself to blame dumb D and st penalties on mac. I get the point about trying to do too much, but if that’s routinely happening (which it is) that to me ends up falling on coaching. That’s their job. Root that shit out.
edit: quick add - not addressing the rest of it because it’s ok to disagree, you’re pov is sure as hell valid I just have a slightly different one
I see a lot of ST plays where the returner is trying to make some extraordinary play he has no business making. I honestly believe that he's doing that because he feels that's the only chance they have at winning the game. That, again, is because they know Mac sucks.
I agree that’s why they are doing it.
but good coaching should fix that.
I'm going to estimate the last pick was 65% turnover luck, 25% juju for the lovely volleyball pancake and 10% mac for not putting it in a better (with tight coverage) spot. Watched from a new orleans saints bar so i am still confused at what happened with that last commie punt
Man, seeing some stuff on social media about how the locker room is unraveling. Shit's getting dark.
View: https://twitter.com/MikeGiardi/status/1721290130088968383
Jack Jones and JC Jackson both went home without any locker room availability after not playing the first quarter/ couple first series, respectively.
View: https://twitter.com/MikeGiardi/status/1721290130088968383
Jack Jones and JC Jackson both went home without any locker room availability after not playing the first quarter/ couple first series, respectively.
I kind of get that. But that third down and long conversion on a QB scramble was just bad defense, not on Mac.
Of course it was; on a play like that in practice, Mac always turtles. Defense wasn't used to seeing what Howell did.
Just watched again the hit on Mac Jones that drew the flag. That call is consistent with the increased emphasis the NFL has been putting on defenders not dropping their body weight on top of QBs, so by 2023's effective standards it's not a surprising call.