Week 9 Game Thread

Rudy's Curve

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Mystic Merlin said:
Having that many one score wins since last year, second to….Minny, screams inflated record. They’ve been outscored by 30 points yet are 5-3.
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It's going on practically a decade, which is pretty crazy.

2014: 11 wins/9.6 Pythag. wins
2015: 10/10.6
2016: 11/9.9
2017: 13/10.5
2018: 9.5/9.6
2019: 8/7.6
2020: 12/10.6
2021: 9.5/7
2022: 9/7.3
2023: 5/3.1

They're 97-55-2 since then with a Pythag. record of ~86-68. They've been outscored by 29 points since 2020 and are 35-22-1. They're 23-18-1 since 2021 with a -133 PD! Just how?
 
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Lol, hours after having a terrible game and almost costing his team a win... George Pickens posts free me on his Instagram, deletes it then deletes everything Steelers related and unfollows his teammates.
I get WRs are headcases, but I feel like you have to be better than Pickens is to soft trade demand. Also maybe not after 2 weeks of being terrible, hours after palmistry costing your team a win?
 
Bongorific

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Cellar-Door said:
Lol, hours after having a terrible game and almost costing his team a win... George Pickens posts free me on his Instagram, deletes it then deletes everything Steelers related and unfollows his teammates.
I get WRs are headcases, but I feel like you have to be better than Pickens is to soft trade demand. Also maybe not after 2 weeks of being terrible, hours after palmistry costing your team a win?
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Interesting about that draft, the consensus is the Pats “blew” the Thornton pick. But Pickens is the only impact WR/TE taken after him (so far). We know the Pats were also in on Pickens, but maybe parts of the interview or personality side Had them shy away.

IOW, the Thornton/2022 draft is nowhere near the Harry/2019 draft.
 
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Bongorific said:
Interesting about that draft, the consensus is the Pats “blew” the Thornton pick. But Pickens is the only impact WR/TE taken after him (so far). We know the Pats were also in on Pickens, but maybe parts of the interview or personality side Had them shy away.

IOW, the Thornton/2022 draft is nowhere near the Harry/2019 draft.
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I think part of what scared them away was concerns he'd be unable to separate... which he can't generally. Pickens had a nice rookie year, but he's almost a perfect comp to Davante Parker. Who has had a pretty decent career no doubt, but isn't a real #1 WR. He's the exact same size and speed, they both are contested catch specialists who get no separation. THornton looks like a bad pick, and was probably a reach (though at the time some rumors Steelers were interested) but the thought process of going with the elite speed raw player over the contested catch guy made some real sense.
 
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Bongorific said:
Interesting about that draft, the consensus is the Pats “blew” the Thornton pick. But Pickens is the only impact WR/TE taken after him (so far). We know the Pats were also in on Pickens, but maybe parts of the interview or personality side Had them shy away.

IOW, the Thornton/2022 draft is nowhere near the Harry/2019 draft.
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Totally agree on the Harry comparison. The problem is that these decisions (while different in degree) both look like the wrong ones and this starts to seem like a trend where BB assesses a group of WRs and consistently picks the incorrect one. As an aside I'm amazed Skyy Moore has been as bad as he has. He went into a much better situation than either Pickens or Thornton and hasn't done much of anything.
 
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Pickens had medical and reportedly maturity issues that pushed him down team boards.
 
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I think I've heard Breer mention it, while there were the medical issues/ACL with Pickens, the character concerns were what really pushed him down the draft board. The red flags are vague beyond "maturity" issues and the 2 on field incidents, but it sounds like his interview process really tanked his draft stock. So this isn't surprising, though pretty crazy given the Steelers are 5-3, offensive futility aside.

WR Coach 5 on Pickens: On tape, he is probably a top-5 wide receiver but there’s just so many red flags, and they’re big red flags. He’s got a lot of growing up to do. If he goes to the right place with a room full of veterans that help him go the right way, I think he’ll have a chance.

What exactly those “big red flags” are is anyone’s guess, but there have been whispers that Pickens did not interview as well during the pre-draft process as teams would have hoped. Besides those concerns, there are others as well that are publicly assessable.

During his 2019 freshman season, for example, Pickens was ejected from a game against Georgia Tech after getting into a fistfight with a defender. He was disciplined and suspended one half the following game. The following year, he was furthermore flagged for unsportsmanlike conduct for spraying water on a Tennessee player on a sideline.
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https://www.patspulpit.com/2022/4/25/23041528/nfl-draft-rumors-potential-patriots-draft-target-george-pickens
 
KiltedFool

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He's updated his IG with putting posts back and something to the effect of "all the assumptions over a picture that has nun to do with fb" So it's walked back or redirected at least for now.

In theory, with one of the best route runners in the game in Diontae Johnson to learn from, a respected veteran in Allen Robinson as an example for professionalism, and Tomlin, Pickens has the opportunity to grow up and become an impact professional. If we can get a working offence and Pickett can step up his consistency he could be a monster. Whether he does it remains to be seen. Lots of people talked a lot about Tomlin after he traded AB, then changed their tune once AB went off the deep end, turns out keeping the lid on with him that long was a minor miracle.

He has the want to for some of the unglamorous parts of being a receiver, he's an enthusiastic blocker for example. Like any receiver, once the headache he causes outweighs the performance he brings, he'll find himself somewhere else. Not a lot of receivers have been traded away from the Steelers and gone on to bigger better things. Other teams by now should be buyer beware when trading for Pittsburgh receivers.
 
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Would love to see a real barnburner this morning, feels like the true shootouts have been too few and far between.
 
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johnmd20 said:
Do you really need to ask that question?

Literally the defending Super Bowl Champions with the best player in the league.
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It was a joke. As a Miami fan I was hoping this would at least be a neutral field but I wasn't expecting it.
 
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