Statutory rape charge is new to me. The cab driver thing and the drunken stumble thru Madison were the previous big stories. I can root for athletes who aren't especially admirable. ( I think I rooted for Detek Lowe). McTavish even, though he served his time and was remorseful.Marciano490 said:Was the other Kane stuff not known in Chicago or to Chicago fans? I'd heard the cab driver story, but not the statutory rape story until I met people who knew him.
Luis Taint said:So, the accuser,or her family, dummied up a fake rape kit, and gave it to her lawyer? That doesn't seem like the most genius move in history.
Forgive my ignorance, but I am not following. What are you saying is not factually correct?veritas said:
It would take 10 seconds of googling to realize that's not factually correct at all
Average Reds said:Forgive my ignorance, but I am not following. What are you saying is not factually correct?
Really? No bearing? Without knowing any more than we do right now, and coupled with the lawyer's noisy withdrawal?drleather2001 said:The actions of the mother should have no bearing if the merits of the underlying case. She's fucked up, but I don't think it's really relevant.
In response to questions Eoannou once again confirmed that the bag was indeed a legitimate rape kit bag from the case, and that he remained confident in the story the accuser told him about the night of her alleged rape. When asked how he could remain confident in light of the possible chicanery with the bag, he responded “one has nothing to do with the other, one didn’t involve my client.”
veritas said:http://deadspin.com/lawyer-for-patrick-kanes-accuser-withdraws-from-case-1732933091
It wasn't a fake rape kit. It's bizarre and super sketchy that the mother got it and why she lied about how she got it. But not really sure how that changes the merits of the case without knowing more details. I feel awful for this girl, assuming something awful happened to her and now she's caught up in this shit storm.
If the police are telling the truth - and it would appear that they are -then it isn't the actual rape kit (bag). And it is fair to draw inferences from that fact and the withdrawal of the lawyer.j44thor said:
How can it be the actual rape kit if the Police put out a press release saying that is still within their possession?
Soxhop posted that a page back.
With the lawyer withdrawing from the case I guess we won't learn more until the DA's press conference today at 11.
The DA is prosecuting the case, not the victim's attorney. He has no standing in the actual criminal proceedings so no court approval is necessary. The victim is under no obligation to have legal representation.riveraulwick said:One aspect if this case (of many) that I don't get is exactly what basis the victim's lawyer is using for seeking to withdraw from the case. He doesn't represent the mother. Simply because he cannot deal with her should not be a valid basis to withdraw from the case (especially considering he has stated he still believes the claim of the victim).
Indeed, I wasn't aware that an attorney could simply withdraw from a case like this without court approval.
Right. He hasn't appeared in any case at this point, so he doesn't need anyone's permission to withdraw. He is essentially firing his client. It's possible that the mother was funding the representation, and because of mother's shenanigans he no longer believes he can represent the accuser with the mother in the picture.RIFan said:The DA is prosecuting the case, not the victim's attorney. He has no standing in the actual criminal proceedings so no court approval is necessary. The victim is under no obligation to have legal representation.
It's not unlikely that no official conclusion in a court of law will ever be made. But it's really weird that you keep falling back on this.AMcGhie said:I think I'm just going to check out of this entire situation until some sort of official conclusion in a court of law is made. This entire situation is completely fucked up, and there are alot of people rushing to report things without a lot of verification.
Myt1 said:Really? No bearing? Without knowing any more than we do right now, and coupled with the lawyer's noisy withdrawal?
drleather2001 said:
I'm talking about the merits of the case, and the mother's actions' impact on them.
If I'm representing A, and A's mother is a total lunatic and says/does some embarrassing shit, it's problematic in a practical sense. However, it technically should not impact the factual support (or lack thereof) of my client's case.
To wit: my opponent is cross-examining A, and starts talking about A's Mom's lunatic behavior, I object on the basis of relevancy, and (without knowing more), the judge would sustain.
But, again, that doesn't mean there are other practical reasons that the mother is making it impossible for the attorney to be effective. She might be a fucking giant pain in the ass.
Absolutely.veritas said:
There's also the possibility that her daughter was actually raped, then publicly embarrassed, and her mom lost it. Parents do some really stupid things in the name of protecting their children.
The woman has told authorities that the high-profile investigation has caused tremendous stress for her and her family, and that she no longer wishes to participate.
AMcGhie said:So everyone who gave me shit for saying "hey, let's wait until the court case before we draw any conclusions" can go suck it.
Did you read the DA's statement? He basically said that none of her allegations matched up with the evidence or testimony of anyone else. He said "the so-called 'case' was rife with reasonable doubt". That's a huuuuuge difference from "we did not have the evidence to proceed in this case."Marciano490 said:You're acting as if he were exonerated or evidence came out showing his innocence? Did that occur or did the alleged victim just get tired of the stress and harassment and decide it wasn't worth proceeding, as often happens in these cases?
I agree with you on that point. I wish she had remained anonymous throughout because the attention on her was not right too, regardless of the outcome. (And even after the DA said that she had no case).Marciano490 said:.
If so, I think we should be upset that sex crimes continue to go unpunished because of the shame and stress placed on the victim.
Totally wish I had not used that phrase though. That was in poor taste. I will take that back.Marciano490 said:
Maybe because you're a grown man who tells others to "suck it" in a thread on this subject.
AMcGhie said:Totally wish I had not used that phrase though. That was in poor taste. I will take that back.
AMcGhie said:I said that I hated that all the minute details were being leaked, that I thought the appropriate forum for airing those things was in a court of law, and that I hated that both sides were being hot-take'd ridiculously.
People took that as me defending Kane.
Patrick Kane has had run ins with the law before, and is not a paragon of humanity. At no point have I been trying to defend him. I'd be frustrated if these accusations were being leveled at anyone from PK Subban to Patrice Bergeron.
So yeah, I'm coming back to say "hey everyone that rushed to judgement based in the anonymous sources: you were WRONG"
(Edit:specifically limited to the scope of this case. There are plenty of legitimate reasons to think Kane is human garbage)