Why Do I Continue to Read Peter King?

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Reverend said:
 
Great spot--thanks for this.
 
Another big win for the blogs over the mainstream, as far as I'm concerned; this is like a textbook example of class politics.
 
Edit: Also, I'm now basically furious. Holy shit.
I get that sentiment, but I don't see even guys like PK defending Irsay to such a degree had he been abusing alcohol. The sportsonearth piece offered interesting data on how many guilty of DUI(of alcohol) also have an addiction issue but:

1) many folks (including PK, I imagine) don't know that

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2) right or wrong, I think pain pill addiction is viewed as less voluntary (you don't drive to a bar to abuse pain pills, for instance)

I'm not saying the class bias doesn't exist. Just saying there are other variables here.
 

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2) right or wrong, I think pain pill addiction is viewed as less voluntary (you don't drive to a bar to abuse pain pills, for instance)

I'm not saying the class bias doesn't exist. Just saying there are their variables here.
 
But that's the whole point. Pills are an upper-class addiction, something you need help for. Booze is just something you can't handle and gets you a DUI. Man up! You must be a dummy. Getting addicted to pills is "unfortunate" and "troubling."
 
Just like with cocaine and crack. It's bullshit. 
 
You do some coke for fun? You can be president. Crack is for crackheads. (And, yes, I understand you can be mayor if you do crack...)
 

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But that's the whole point. Pills are an upper-class addiction, something you need help for. Booze is just something you can't handle and gets you a DUI. Man up! You must be a dummy. Getting addicted to pills is "unfortunate" and "troubling."
 
Just like with cocaine and crack. It's bullshit. 
 
You do some coke for fun? You can be president. Crack is for crackheads. (And, yes, I understand you can be mayor if you do crack...)
Sometimes it seems like everyone is so jacked up to point fingers about stuff like that - gotcha, King! You're classist!

Maybe King is just a suck up to the NFL power brokers. All I'm saying is that it would be easier to jump to conclusions about king's biases if the situations were more similar.

Mind you, I'm no PK fan. I get reverend's pt. just think it was over the top given the situation.
 

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But that's the whole point. Pills are an upper-class addiction, something you need help for. Booze is just something you can't handle and gets you a DUI. Man up! You must be a dummy. Getting addicted to pills is "unfortunate" and "troubling."
 
Just like with cocaine and crack. It's bullshit. 
 
You do some coke for fun? You can be president. Crack is for crackheads. (And, yes, I understand you can be mayor if you do crack...)
It's also ridiculous to imply that pills are no different than booze. I've been to plenty of cocktail parties but never a pain pill one. The assumption re pain pills is that the addict got his start due to a health issue.
 

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Sometimes it seems like everyone is so jacked up to point fingers about stuff like that - gotcha, King! You're classist!

Maybe King is just a suck up to the NFL power brokers. All I'm saying is that it would be easier to jump to conclusions about king's biases if the situations were more similar.

Mind you, I'm no PK fan. I get reverend's pt. just think it was over the top given the situation.
 
And I get what you're saying, but I totally disagree my man. The suffering of addiction is terrible and deserving of sympathy even if a harsh hand is often needed to deal with it regardless of the substance. Suffering is suffering.
 
That King sees difference between the types simply because he is more familiar with one set of people than another is precisely what classism is. The point it that the situations are similar, but he sees them as different. That's the problem. And it's a very fundamental problem.
 

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It's also ridiculous to imply that pills are no different than booze. I've been to plenty of cocktail parties but never a pain pill one. The assumption re pain pills is that the addict got his start due to a health issue.
 
1) That may just mean you go to different parties.
 
2) That assumption often does not hold--pills are often the drug of choice because they are easier to obtain through less seedy/dangerous means. Also, that ignores the fact that alcohol abuse is often a function of self-medication by people not able to seek proper care, which actually underscores the class issue.
 

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Here's what Irsay himself has to say about the issue: Video
 
If you want to argue that Irsay shouldn't be treated harshly for his human failings, then that's fine and I agree. The issue, then, is why others are treated differently without such consideration of their background or where they're coming from or what happened?
 
The problem isn't letting Irsay off, it's about consistency.
 

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I'm not trying to imply that alcohol addition is somehow less painful or challenging than, say, pain pill addiction.  I am just saying that King, for all his faults, may not realize that.  You can say that his view is driven by biases related to class, but that isn't necssarily true.  He may simply view alcohol as more of a choice (example: Braylon Edwards decides, while sober, to go to a bar and does not opt to order a car) vs. pain pill addiction (poor Brett Favre took too many hits and is now addicted to pain pills).
 
King's bias is obvious; I'm just saying it's not a given that it's driven by class bias.  It could be driven by his own ignorance of substance abuse.
 
What would King have said about Braylon Edwards had he driven under the influence of pain meds?  Conversely, what would King have said about Irsay had he gotten slammed on Old Milwaukees (too low class for him?)?  We just don't know.
 
There's plenty of room to slam PK...why slam him for something that may or may not be correct?
 

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Your argument seems to be that King is ignorant, therefore judge him less harshly. 
 
I'm judging him for his ignorance. I'm not saying he's an evil person. I'm saying he's a clueless fuck who doesn't deserve the national stage that commands. 
 
And, yes, that's because he makes grand statements to millions of people about how this person or that person should be treated, when he clearly doesn't know dick about addiction or substance abuse or being an empathetic human being. 
 
We're saying the same thing. I'll slam him for the very thing you're explaining is true. 
 
Edit: And to close the loop, his ignorance displays itself as class bias. He doesn't have to be intentionally biased to be biased. The reason he's ignorant (I would argue) is because he operates in a certain class. 
 

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Your argument seems to be that King is ignorant, therefore judge him less harshly. 
 
I'm judging him for his ignorance. I'm not saying he's an evil person. I'm saying he's a clueless fuck who doesn't deserve the national stage that commands. 
 
And, yes, that's because he makes grand statements to millions of people about how this person or that person should be treated, when he clearly doesn't know dick about addiction or substance abuse or being an empathetic human being. 
 
We're saying the same thing. I'll slam him for the very thing you're explaining is true. 
 
I think we are indeed on the same page in most respects.  I'm not saying don't slam him.  I'm not saying he's not inconsistent and biased.  I'm just saying it's unprovable that his bias is motivated by class.  There's also plenty to be pissed about, as you point out, without drawing the class bias conclusion.  Realize Rev disagrees on that aspect, and that is where I was directing my comments.
 
Edit: and re closing the loop...he MAY be biased bc of class, but he may just be an ignoramus.  I don't know why it's necessary to get at deep-seated, underlying motives.  Why can't we just agree that he's a dummy?
 

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Oh, I quite agree it's a function of ignorance. But most class bias is a function of ignorance. I don't think her's walking around like some kind of old school French aristocrat smirking at the peasants who don't understand their proper station and failing to understand there is a natural order of human hierarchy that must be respected or anything like that.* But without thought, he treats people who should be considered similarly as totally different and treats some with more compassion and others more harshly.
 
That sucks. And yes, it's easily a function of ignorance. But then it's negligence where as a journalist, writer and columnist he's in a position where he's supposed to be thoughtful. In other threads about players who drive under the influence, there was a discussion as to why they didn't fire a driver. Irsay could hire a helicopter. Which would be a fucking awesome way to go home from a night out, but I digress--and I don't even know if Irsay was on a night out.
 
 
 
*His story about the woman on that one flight having the nerve to ask for another blanket even though she wasn't in first class is pretty close though; the fact of the matter is, King has a massive history of class oriented shitheadery that is well documented in this thread.
 

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Jim Irsay can make Peter King's job more difficult if he is unhappy about something King writes.  Aldon Smith, Vincent Jackson and Braylon Edwards could not (or if they did, King could easily spin their non-responses in a negative way towards the player). 
 

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Jim Irsay can make Peter King's job more difficult if he is unhappy about something King writes.  Aldon Smith, Vincent Jackson and Braylon Edwards could not (or if they did, King could easily spin their non-responses in a negative way towards the player). 
Which makes Peter King a coward on top of being quite the ignoramus.
 

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Yep.  The owners will continue to own, the players will retire and no longer be needed for quotes.
 
King equates himself with the owners by his longevity and not so much with those whose average career is like 8 years.
 

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Yep.  The owners will continue to own, the players will retire and no longer be needed for quotes.
 
King equates himself with the owners by his longevity and not so much with those whose average career is like 8 years.
 
More than that, I think King views himself as a part of the institution of the NFL even moreso than he views most players being part of that institution.  
 
I think King believes that he respects football more than most players do, because while he has spent his life sweating in reverance of The Shield, most NFL players only view their time as a job.   The players that get a DUI, or get arrested, obviously don't have the requisite respect for the institution, and take it all for granted, so they don't deserve King's, or the NFL's, respect.
 
I really think that he believes he is the NFL's ombudsman; the guy who tells it like it is, for better and for worse.  Of course, he only casts his critical eye toward one side of the equation. 
 

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It's also about posturing. King (and his buddy Goodell) love to pound the table and bray 'we gotta get tough with these guys' when it comes to players acting out and giving their beloved Shield a bad rep. It makes them feel good to do it and they like to pretend that they can be tough guys and show the world that they have a strong sense of right and wrong and the backbone to enforce stiff rules. If King loses a single player due to a tough stance, so what? More where that came from. If King loses an owner with a tough column, *very* different story. Gone are the free meals and VIP access. The Media, and most certainly King, will always feel free to push around a player. Owners get the kid gloves.
 

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More than that, I think King views himself as a part of the institution of the NFL even moreso than he views most players being part of that institution.
 
 
There is no doubt in my mind that this is 100% true. Peter King thinks that he's "defending the shield"* when it comes to his column taking on issues such as concussions, the Redskins name, the scandal du jour that is affecting the owners. Not the players though, because a majority of them are disposable and actually tarnish the shield, so he has to take them to task.
 
* And is there a more pompous, more bullshit, more dipshit alpha male, more football nonsense phrase, than "protecting the shield"? Just typing it makes me want to punch myself.
 
But Peter King; nerdy, doughy, brillo-headed, Peter King has been let into the ultimate club. Better than the awesome fraternity that he wasn't allowed into as an undergrad at Ohio University, better than the varsity football team that he never was good enough to make at his high school, better than the lunch table cool kids ate at in junior high. He's not only covering the NFL, but he's dictating story lines and making kings (no pun). You bet your ass that he's going to defend that fucking shield whenever Grand Poohbah Roger Goodell calls him up to spin the latest anti-NFL mud that the haters and the traitors and the assholes of the world are kicking up.
 
Despite his affinity for the "hippest" beers, the "best" coffee and a pretty cool job, Peter King is, at heart, an insecure 13-year-old that still worships the cool kids and has a pathological need to let the lesser people (his readers) know that he has got it going on. Always.
 

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John Marzano Olympic Hero said:
 
Despite his affinity for the "hippest" beers, the "best" coffee and a pretty cool job, Peter King is, at heart, an insecure 13-year-old that still worships the cool kids and has a pathological need to let the lesser people (his readers) know that he has got it going on. Always.
 
Exactly.
 
Being an "NFL Writer" is, ostensibly, his job, but bragging about his life out of some unknown deep-seated insecurity is what he does.
 
I think it's not surprising that he's been getting worse as he gets older and his kids move out, because the stark difference between the young, outwardly successful and confident people he "covers" and his own deteriorating body and physical obsolescence is becoming clearer and clearer.  All he has left is his money and his cushy job.
 
Hell, he doesn't even run in those half marathons he was all gung-ho about just a few years ago.  He looks like shit, probably feels like shit, and is just getting more and more bitter about it.
 
It's always the people that take pride in having a very loose claim to something that are the most vocal defenders about that claim.  You see it all the time on "Behind the Music" and from blowhard military veterans.   Guess what?  The rock stars that were the most successful and got the most pussy aren't the ones telling everyone about it, and the badasses at D-Day aren't the guys walking around subway platforms telling 20-somethings to join the army and become "Real Men". 
 

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John Marzano Olympic Hero said:
* And is there a more pompous, more bullshit, more dipshit alpha male, more football nonsense phrase, than "protecting the shield"? Just typing it makes me want to punch myself.
:lol: So spot on.
 

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Reverend said:
Here's what Irsay himself has to say about the issue: Video
 
If you want to argue that Irsay shouldn't be treated harshly for his human failings, then that's fine and I agree. The issue, then, is why others are treated differently without such consideration of their background or where they're coming from or what happened?
 
The problem isn't letting Irsay off, it's about consistency.
 
An honest answer to this question - about why society treats different classes of people differently for the same offense - will only bring about a V&N discussion in a thread that should be devoted to mocking what an idiot Peter King is. 
 
With that said, I think you know the answer to your own rhetorical.  And it is directly related to why people like King are such phony dirtbags.
 

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Blaine Gabbert was traded on March 11 from the Jags to the 49ers for a sixth-round pick.
Matt Schaub was traded on Friday from Houston to Oakland for a sixth-round pick.
Their career stat lines:
 
  Age W-L Comp. % TD-Int. Rating Approx. Pick* Matt Schaub 32 46-44 64.0 130-84 89.9 171 Blaine Gabbert 24 5-22 53.3 22-24 66.4 195
 
* Approximate Pick is the estimated pick, based on similar drafting positions in 2013, that the Raiders surrendered to get Schaub and the Niners gave up to get Gabbert.
 
I’d be worried about Schaub, a lot, because last season it looked like he had Steve Sax disease—it appeared he was aiming many of his throws, and his decision-making was way off compared to his history. But the stunner in this comparison is not really the sixth-round pick the Texans got for a quarterback who hit a wall so smashingly in 2013. It’s that Jacksonville GM David Caldwell got anything at all for Gabbert. Lucky for him, San Francisco sees something in Gabbert that GM Trent Baalke thinks his coaching staff can salvage.
 
 
Why do I think that King's point in posting this isn't to talk about the deals for the players (I mean, it's a 6th round pick for a backup QB.  Who gives a shit?  That's like paying $1,000 for a used car for your high school kid to use for a year; it doesn't warrant this type of analysis), and more that King just wanted to say some mean things about a couple of QBs?
“I’m a servant leader....’’
— Louisville quarterback Teddy Bridgewater, to the NFL Network on Friday, about why he thinks he should be the first pick in the May 8 draft.
 
Not sure what a “servant leader’’ is, but it sounds pretty unselfish
 
 
A) LMGTFY
B) I am pretty sure what condescension is, and King is full of it ("This kid uses some smart-sounding term that I, Peter King, am not aware of.  Therefore, I'm going to snidely take him to task while approving of his overall sentiment because, well, it's pretty unimpeachable.)
C) The irony is that Bridgewater pretty much explained, right there, what "Servant leadership" is, but King was too keen on looking smart that he looks dumb. Yet again.
“We can land a man on the moon but can’t find this plane on earth… smh”
— @DougBaldwinJr, the Seattle wide receiver on the Malaysian jet that has been missing for 17 days and is presumed lost in the Indian Ocean.
 
 
I KNOW!  RIGHT?!  SO WEIRD!!! 
 
 
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Tweeted from the Orlando International Airport on Sunday afternoon by free agent safety Ryan Clark: “Why do people who are in Zone 4 line up in front the gate when they announce they are getting ready to start the boarding process?”
That, friends, is not the travel question of the week. It is the travel question of the millennium.
 
 
This is not a question about why people act that way.  The answer to that question is obvious and two-fold.  1) people will always do what's best for them, including taking shortcuts if there's no appreciable chance of any negative consequences, and getting on board to find ample room for your overhead bag is becoming more and more of a uncertainty; and 2) there is never any negative consequence that stems from lining up early because airlines are woefully inconsistent about the zone announcements. Sometimes they do it by zone, sometimes they ignore zones, sometimes they do "zone 1" and then 2 minutes later "all other zones".  Also, in the, probably, 100 flights over the past 8 years or so, I think I've seen maybe 2 instances where a gate agent actually called someone out on the zone thing.
 
So, in a nutshell, there you go.  Until airlines start cracking down on the Zone boarding stuff, passengers won't pay attention.  
 
Holy shit!  I just answered the Travel Question of the Millenium!
 
But, really, that's not what this is about.  What this is about is King wanting to bitch about people cramping his style as he tries to get through the Sky Preferred/Alliance line (presumably arriving as the plane is already boarding so he can savor his Sam Adams 22 ounce (couresy of SI!) until the last drop over at the Olde Brewhouse in the E terminal.  He arrives, sees everyone crammed around the gate, and has to huff and puff and whisper under his breath as he tries to get to the gate so he can say "First class!"
 
In other words:  what the flying fuck does Peter King care if people from Zone 4 are trying to get a space on the plane?  He should have been ready to board a full ten minutes (prior to families with kids, and prior to Zone 1) before the peons even sniff the jetway.   If Peter King was doing his part to make flying a smooth process, he wouldn't need to care what everyone else was doing.
 

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i. Nice hospitality by the city of Holyoke, Mass., for Saturday’s 39th annual 10K St. Patrick’s Day Road Race. (I had to drop out after a mile with a bum hamstring.) But it was a great event and there was good community spirit. Any race with bagpipes serenading runners at the start is my kind of race.
 
 
Who's got King in their 2015 death pool? 
 
l. Tragically, Mick Jagger’s longtime girlfriend, L’Wren Scott, committed suicide a week ago. The New York Post quoted a “source” as saying, “The strange thing is that she had a small dinner party at her home Sunday night with a few friends, but nobody knew that she planned to take her own life the next day.” Strange. I thought it was customary for a person planning to kill herself to tell all of her friends the night before she did it.
 
 
What an asshole.
 

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What an asshole.
 
Indeed. He really should have left that one alone. There is nothing to be learned from that stupid statement. People were in shock and in mourning and when people are in shock and mourning, they say things that aren't very smart. So King things, "Let's MOCK them for it."
 

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Who's got King in their 2015 death pool? 
 
 
What an asshole.
 
And while the sentence from The New York Post isn't particularly well written, I think the thing that they were pointing out as "strange" was Scott hosting a dinner party the night before killing herself; not that she didn't tell her friends beforehand.  King's too thick to decipher this though.
 

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Thanks for the free beer!  Now I'm going to trash one of them in a column read by millions.
 

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I never thought that King would crap all over Peyton Manning.   Here's his description of Manning's 1st 3 playoff games:
But he’s been awful in the playoffs (0-3, 56.2 rating, minus-5 TD-to-pick rate), losing his three playoff games by an average of 14.7 points. To say he’s looked rattled in the postseason would be an understatement, as his meltdown against San Diego in January illustrated.
 
 
Oh, wait....he's talking about Andy Dalton.  Peyton Manning's 1st 3 playoff games totalled 0-3; avg rating of 58.3, and 1TD/2INT, and his teams lost by an average score of 15.7 points, including his January (2003) meltdown (41-0 to the Jets, (14-31, 137 yds, 2INT, 31.2 rating)).
 

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I cracked up about him bailing on a 10k after "about a mile" with a bum hamstring. Gritty. Gutty. The bagpipes almost carried him through.

WARRIOR.
 
Seriously.  A normal, healthy, male should be able to fucking walk a 10K in about 2 hours.  But even that was too much for him.
 

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Why do I think that King's point in posting this isn't to talk about the deals for the players (I mean, it's a 6th round pick for a backup QB.  Who gives a shit?  That's like paying $1,000 for a used car for your high school kid to use for a year; it doesn't warrant this type of analysis), and more that King just wanted to say some mean things about a couple of QBs?
 
A) LMGTFY
 
https://twitter.com/SI_PeterKing/status/448169744899010560
 

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For some reason I'm not particularly surprised that King was baffled by something involving leadership.
 
But it is surprising that he doesn't read his own column, since Bridgewater described what he meant pretty clearly.
 

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And while the sentence from The New York Post isn't particularly well written, I think the thing that they were pointing out as "strange" was Scott hosting a dinner party the night before killing herself; not that she didn't tell her friends beforehand.  King's too thick to decipher this though.
Not to mention that the quote is clearly meant to convey that people close to Scott did not see signs of her imminent suicide at that dinner, which must be pretty gut wrenching for those friends of hers. Expecting King to catch that nuance is obviously way too much to ask.
 

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The guy's brother dropped dead yesterday. Taking this week off.
 
Strange.  I thought it was customary for people having heart attacks to die at opportune times.
 

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I am surprised his brother didn't tell Peter he was planning to do this when he was in town a few weeks ago.
 

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You just know that King will use this as an excuse to become ultra-earnest and condescending about heart health from now on.
 
I expect weekly updates on his running and diet, and warnings to all of us that we really need to be eating/living healthier, with nary a mention that as of last week King couldn't run a single mile.
 

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I love that PK is so reviled that no one has felt obligated to post a high-minded rebuke of y'all making fun of his brother dying.

Personally, I'm looking forward to how we all need to put football in perspective and remember to treasure those around us.