Why Do I Continue to Read Peter King?
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DrewDawg said:
It goes back to his answer to the Q above. "I didn't notice it... what's the big deal...."
I guess we'll take his word for whether he noticed it; but it *is* a big deal. One sponsor backed out, and another (or the team) took grief for the slap ya mama timing.
He also didn't even answer the question, so busy was he slapping down the asker. Right now, that stuff is local, during preseason. The questioner asked, "Will the NFL as a whole be doing this on its real network games." King's answer was "why do you care (the "you ignorant plebe" was implied.)
Does he even understand the question? I don't think he gets that the graphics would be superimposed onto the field. There are tons of examples in telecasts of broadcasting elements being "sponsored by" - "Halftime stats brought to you by Chilis." and I think he's framing his answer as something that would be mentioned by the announcers "A clear first down as Gronk plunges over the Lexus First Down line."
The other part of this is that PK watches relatively few games on TV as a fan, with the network announcers as his audio. He's either in a pressbox, or in the NBC studio watching multiple screens while kibitzing with the other NBC types. So, of course he would barely notice if each and every bit of a broadcast was sponsored.
His worse offense in this case was making the NASCAR crack about the CFL unis, and then saying he didn't mind the NFL commercial tie-ins.
His worse offense in this case was making the NASCAR crack about the CFL unis, and then saying he didn't mind the NFL commercial tie-ins.
"I flipped a coin 3 times in a row, and it landed heads every time. The odds of it landing tails next time are clearly very small."
Let's keep giving assholes a soapbox, Pete! Thanks!
Defenses and point differential throughout the game, be damned!
"Desperate"?
drleather2001 said:
It's worse than that. He flipped a coin 10 times and 9 came up heads but he either wasn't paying attention, thought it sounded cooler if he just said it came up heads every time, or can't successfully craft an English sentence.
'05 Patriots defeated the Jaguars in the 1st round
I really, really, really hate Mike Ditka. As a rule, I don't particularly hate a lot of people I know in real life and even less celebrities, but good lord, I can't wait for Ditka to shuffle off this mortal coil. He's the fucking worst.
He won one Super Bowl with an absurdly stacked team and a genius defensive coordinator. He did shit once Ryan left him and he did even shittier once he was put in charge of a team. Seriously, the guy who traded his team's entire draft for Ricky Williams (and honestly, it didn't matter who it was) is someone that we should listen to? He's someone who's opinion about football should be taken seriously?
The guy has a mustache and a flattop. Who gives a crap what he thinks?
He won one Super Bowl with an absurdly stacked team and a genius defensive coordinator. He did shit once Ryan left him and he did even shittier once he was put in charge of a team. Seriously, the guy who traded his team's entire draft for Ricky Williams (and honestly, it didn't matter who it was) is someone that we should listen to? He's someone who's opinion about football should be taken seriously?
The guy has a mustache and a flattop. Who gives a crap what he thinks?
If Ditka isn't the epitome of everyone's stupid white uncle, then I don't know who is. We shouldn't even be listening to his opinion on anything, much less printing it for millions to read.
The Red Sox have never scouted Castillo in a game? Do international competitions not count as games in his mind or does he not know the Red Sox send scouts to watch them or does he not even know that international baseball competitions exist?
Corsi said:
I would have expected more from a man who had the courage to challenge the NFL (in a very public fashion) over the damages caused by concussions. (Especially considering that as a former coach he has first hand knowledge of how deeply entrenched the problem is.)
Unfortunately, Ditka comes off like a frustrated old man who can't handle the fact that his assumptions are being challenged. Time to go away, Mike.
Well, he was also a Hall of Fame tight end, so I wouldn't be surprised if the guy wakes up to headaches a lot from the hits he took. But he's a crotchety old ethnic white guy, that's been his schtick for 30 years.
Hendu for Kutch said:
The 2005 Pats were coming off the 2004 title--he's saying since then no one else has done it. He said the 8 teams since the Pats. There have been 8--Steelers, Colts, Giants, Steelers, Saints, Giants, Packers, and Ravens.
His writing isn't clear, but that's what he means. Since the '04 Pats won a game in '05, no other team has won one.
DrewDawg said:
I mentioned that it could be piss poor writing on his part, I did actually consider what you're saying. He just flubbed a number of things - calling it the Patriots 2nd SB win (not 3rd or 2nd consecutive), saying it was a decade ago (a decade ago they were preparing to repeat, then follow that up with another year where they won a playoff game), and the phrasing "Since the Super Bowl win" instead of referencing the actual even that happened after it - the Patriots winning a playoff game.
It's just utterly poor for the lead columnist at one of the most prestigious sports magazines in the world to not be able to put together a simple coherent sentence.
"Since the 2005 postseason, no defending champion has won a playoff game the following year."
or
"Over the past eight years, the number of playoff victories by a defending champion is exactly zero."
Simple, short, clear. However, it is severely lacking in one-word tack-on sentences for dramatic effect.
DrewDawg said:
Jesus Christ there have been some medicore Super Bowl champs between the Pats and Seahawks titles.
I know how lucky we have been with the Pats and winning 3, but with a few more breaks it is really easy to see how they could have won 6 or 7.Kenny F'ing Powers said:
05 - Beat Den and both Pitt and Sea were weak.
06 - Beat Indy (don't get the flu) and Chi was unimpressive
07 - .....
11 - Catch the damn ball
13 - Don't think they would have beat SF
14 - Don't think they would beat Sea
But damn what a run that a case could be made for almost every year.
2010: The Patriots *should* have beaten the Jets, and had already beaten Pitt and GB in the regular season.
That loss, in some ways, makes me angrier than the others because they just gave it away with stupid mistakes and play calling. Brady was unstoppable that year, until he got to the Playoffs.
That loss, in some ways, makes me angrier than the others because they just gave it away with stupid mistakes and play calling. Brady was unstoppable that year, until he got to the Playoffs.
drleather2001 said:
The pick on the screen pass, the dropped touchdown by Crumpler, the botched fake punt... it was an epic shitstorm. That team was really good.
The NFL has done much more than any other major league to keep its game broadcasts free of sponsored elements and real or virtual signage. NFL games are by far the "cleanest" in sports. Say what you will about the NFL's greed - and there's plenty to say about it - there's no question that the league has left hundreds of millions on the table over the last decade by limiting network rights to sell in-game sponsorships. Given that this season is year one of new nine year contracts that allow for no change in these policies in the regular or post-season it's extremely unlikely that the virtual signage you see in the preseason foretells any changes to the regular season anytime soon.joe dokes said:
King's schtick typically doesn't bother me but good grief is this lazy. Can you imagine how easy it would be for King to get someone at NBC to answer this question for him? How often do you think King is in touch with NBC PR? Gotta be at least once if not several times a week. King wrote a long piece about the NFL broadcasting department earlier this year. Any one of those guys could answer this question in ten seconds. Pick up a phone. That's just awful work.
Dehere said:
When I read the first paragarpah, I thought, ""that's what a sentient King could have written."
Substantively, though, while you are correct about the virtual stuff and sponsored elements, I think there is a legitimate question about the use of nearly every type of play stoppage for 2 minutes of commercials. I haven't been to an NFL game in a long while, but enough people I trust aren't too thrilled with the number of lengthy stoppages, especially towards the end of the halves, if there haven't been enough "natural" breaks.
There are less than 11 minutes of action in the average NFL game (I believe the actual figure I saw is 10 minutes, 43 seconds). The other 3 hours and 4 minutes comprising the time block for an NFL game have plenty of sponsored/commercial elements during the telecast.
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052748704281204575002852055561406
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1922971-study-shows-just-how-little-action-there-actually-is-in-average-nfl-game
http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/64441086/nfl-statistical-analysis-average-nfl-game#!bKv57R
Baseball rightfully gets a lot of crap for its slow pace, but to think that the NFL has it figured out is a bit presumptive. It's got just as much non game-related garbage as other sports. It just may not be as visible during peri-action periods as other sports. The green screen signage behind every home plate is a good example of passive advertising that doesn't necessarily get in the way of each pitch in a baseball game, but represents commercial presence nonetheless.
As always, the lesson is that King is an ignorant boob.
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052748704281204575002852055561406
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1922971-study-shows-just-how-little-action-there-actually-is-in-average-nfl-game
http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/64441086/nfl-statistical-analysis-average-nfl-game#!bKv57R
Baseball rightfully gets a lot of crap for its slow pace, but to think that the NFL has it figured out is a bit presumptive. It's got just as much non game-related garbage as other sports. It just may not be as visible during peri-action periods as other sports. The green screen signage behind every home plate is a good example of passive advertising that doesn't necessarily get in the way of each pitch in a baseball game, but represents commercial presence nonetheless.
As always, the lesson is that King is an ignorant boob.
"You should write a letter to the Hall of Fame"?! Yeah, I'm sure HoF voters in all sports consider letters from fans.
So here's a letter he can't answer since he's not on the committee. Did he only get 3 letters? Or did he run this one because it praised him? Hmmm....I wonder which it could be.
I think if you start a letter with "Hey Pete. First time Long time. Love your stuff, especially the coffee, beer, travel, and book tips. Makes Monday worth looking forward to for this ex-Manhattan-ite. If I ever meet you I'm going to stick your pecker into a meat grinder" he'd run it.
One of these things is not like the other...
Credit where credit is due: I thought this was an interesting thing to dig up:
But then he follows it up with this garbage:
Caveat emptor: anybody who buys preseason tickets thinking they are guaranteed to see star players play is a fool. What's infuriating about King's nudge-nudge, wink-wink implication (that teams, or at least the Patriots, are screwing The Fans) is that it's so disingenuous. Teams have treated preseason as tryouts/roster management tools for as long as I've been a fan of the NFL. This is nothing new. That teams should eschew putting together their best personnel in favor of throwing the fans a bone would only do a disservice to fans of the team in question. Why should Bill Belichick give a rat's ass about Redskins fans? That's not his job.
drleather2001 said:
You can also be sure that if Brady had played significant time and gotten hurt. King would be slamming Belichick for exposing Brady to injury in meaningless preseason games. If he should be criticizing anyone, it's the owners for charging full price for preseason games.
I am no fan of King. But I did not read that as criticizing BB or Brady. I think he is trying to make a point about the cost of the games in comparison to the product and did it very poorlycoremiller said:
coremiller said:
But they don't charge full price for preseason games.
http://blog.tiqiq.com/2013/09/highest-lowest-discounts-years-preseason-nfl-tickets/
We have all read these round ups long enough to know that he has never conveyed his thoughts clearly unless it involved his love for Brett Favre.DrewDawg said:
TroyOLeary said:
To take this a little further, King either:
a) Doesn't know they don't charge regular season prices
b) Believes there should be some sort of after-the-fact refund based on who plays in the game
c) Believes starters should play in every single preseason game
d) Is being purposefully disingenuous to serve his stupid gimmicky Master Card commercial structure
Unless he is ignorant (choice a) or moronic (choices b,c), which, admittedly, are both possibilities, I'd say it's choice d.
He does this all the time - trivializing or generalizing an issue of which he should or could have detailed knowledge because he has a clever little way to present it. It's sacrificing content to serve form, and yet the form is still completely trite.
hlord:
King on July 29, speculating (but not speculating) about what else is on the Ray Rice tapes:
Today, TMZ releases damning video (below) of the incident inside the elevator and here's King's mea culpa:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DY5DwdnkZOQ
Today, TMZ releases damning video (below) of the incident inside the elevator and here's King's mea culpa:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DY5DwdnkZOQ
"Open up more debate?" It's as though he doesn't understand any of the words in that sentence.
"The disappearance of that plane off the coast of Africa should open up more debate about the roundness (or flatness) of the Earth."
"My grandfather smoked a pack a day and lived to 95. That should open up more debate about the health benefits of smoking."
"That guy parking in the handicapped space at Starbucks looked fine to me. That should open up more debate about whether us "normal" people should be allowed to park closer."
There's a lot of shitty writers out there with national platforms. Many of them act like assholes, but reveal so little of themselves that we don't know, or at least, can't be sure, that it isn't just "part of the act." Peter King's tweet about the Rice elevator video should open up more debate about where he fits on the asshole spectrum.
"The disappearance of that plane off the coast of Africa should open up more debate about the roundness (or flatness) of the Earth."
"My grandfather smoked a pack a day and lived to 95. That should open up more debate about the health benefits of smoking."
"That guy parking in the handicapped space at Starbucks looked fine to me. That should open up more debate about whether us "normal" people should be allowed to park closer."
There's a lot of shitty writers out there with national platforms. Many of them act like assholes, but reveal so little of themselves that we don't know, or at least, can't be sure, that it isn't just "part of the act." Peter King's tweet about the Rice elevator video should open up more debate about where he fits on the asshole spectrum.
Something he's already basically done. "That guy looked fine to me! Why does he need a service dog? It's just inconveniencing everyone else on the plane!"joe dokes said:
Oh, I'm sorry, he just published a story, and endorsed the writer who told it. He can't be responsible for what's said.
Guys, I've said this before and you all seem to forget. Peter King's first job is to "PROTECT THE SHIELD".
Would you want Peter King to lose his sorta craft beers? His luxurious apartment in MANHATTAN? The ability to get his daughters internships in NFL team front offices? How about the Acela, would you rather Peter King, man of the people, actually take a regular AmTrack train from New York City (where he lives) to Boston?
If he doesn't protect the shield, then he loses all of those awesome perks. And YOU lose a reporter who will tell you about all of those perks every week. Think of how boring your life would be?
Would you want Peter King to lose his sorta craft beers? His luxurious apartment in MANHATTAN? The ability to get his daughters internships in NFL team front offices? How about the Acela, would you rather Peter King, man of the people, actually take a regular AmTrack train from New York City (where he lives) to Boston?
If he doesn't protect the shield, then he loses all of those awesome perks. And YOU lose a reporter who will tell you about all of those perks every week. Think of how boring your life would be?