Why Do I Continue to Read Peter King?

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But he's also going to drive me out of my mind with his idiotic posing on long non-homers, which will reduce his total bases by 20.
20 bases? I think that's pulled out of King's ample ass. Is there really going to be 20 times (almost once a week) where Manny gets a double instead of a triple, or a single instead of a double. I say no. let's keep track.

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Manny posing for non-home runs isn't something that should be defended. We'll see if one of those gazing moments ends up effecting the outcome of a game; I say it will at some point.

And Manny probably had no chance for a triple on that hit, but he barely made it to second and could have been thrown out. He doesn't have to turn into Charlie Hustle, but him watching a live ball for as long as he did is weak. You hit a bomb and you want to raise your arms, *maybe* OK, but if you're keeping it in the park, get the flock out of the batters box before the ball lands, please.
Maybe not, but King's been grinding this axe about Manny for years now, and while his lack of "hustle" may indeed someday bite the team in the ass in a critical manner, I think that being a huge contributor to two WS championship teams gets him some slack.
 

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I thought this was pretty classic King from yesterday:

I have this quick reaction to the proposed hair penalty, which would prohibit players from covering the names on the back of the jerseys with hair cascading out of the helmet: Who cares? Where's the hue and cry over this? I have never, ever heard a player or coach say any game was remotely affected by the length of a player's hair. And some of the biggest hair guys in the league are also some of its best people and best leaders. Al Harris. Troy Polamalu. Rashean Mathis.

To me, this is the classic case of people who don't play the game policing an element of the game that needs no policing whatsoever.....

Though I think the Competition Committee is behind the proposal of Kansas City coach Herman Edwards ("This is not about culture,'' Edwards said, "it's about the uniform''), I'd be surprised if the rule passes. Like it or not, there's been a racial overtone to banning players wearing their hair the way they want.
I love the part about people who don't play the game policing it, and also the racial overtone comment. Uh, didn't Herm Edwards play in the NFL? And I may be wrong, but he's not an old white guy, either. I think PK just wants to keep in good with his buddy Polamalu.
 

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I have images of Peter King spewing his triple-decaf-pineapple-mocha all over himself in ecstasy as Manny eased into 3rd base today.

A Ramirez triple is how you play the game right.
 

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I have images of Peter King spewing his triple-decaf-pineapple-mocha all over himself in ecstasy as Manny eased into 3rd base today.

A Ramirez triple is how you play the game right.
As an aside - couldn't watch the ceremony live here in NY, but saw some NESN clips, and it appeared Manny ran out to get his when everyone else walked. I thought it was an amusing Manny-ism.
 

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c. "The Office'' is disappointing me. The writers have changed Michael into a more mean-spirited guy than he was in the first couple of years of the show. The other night, at a high school job fair, trying to recruit a kid for a summer internship, Michael turns to Pam and says, "She'll do you.'' Disgusting. Not in keeping with the doltish Michael. Not at all. What's worse, Pam, looking insulted, doesn't slug Michael or quit on the spot, which any self-respecting woman would have done. I'll be watching the hour-long season finale Thursday, but I'm worrying I'll cringe more than I'll laugh.
I don't think that Peter King has ever seen an early episode of "The Office".

Seriously, he wants a dumber Michael Scott?
 

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I don't think that Peter King has ever seen an early episode of "The Office".

Seriously, he wants a dumber Michael Scott?
Thing is, most real life women in Pam's position (receptionist at a small company in a small, backwater, city) wouldn't quit. Or slug their boss. Part of what makes The Office somewhat believable (especially in the British version) is that the characters are all pretty average people in mediocre jobs with pretty lousy career prospects. Jesus, what else is Pam going to do? She's not exactly a rocket scientist.
 

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I think that he said that he's seen the British version of "The Office" and liked it. I can't understand how a guy that's reasonably intelligent can't understand the overall psychology that runs behind the characters of the American show. Pam is a beat-down, secretary that works ten miles from where she graduated high school. Having her stand up and punch (PUNCH?) Michael in the nose would run so counter to her character that it would completely destroy the show's dynamics.

Pam was with Roy for years, she obviously can do better than being a secretary and she recently started believing that she was attractive. Of course Pam isn't self respecting, that's her fucking character. That's the joke--the audience sees/knows more about these characters than the characters actually do. That is why this is a good show and not "Laverne and Shirley" or "Three's Company".

Peter King is so fucking thick some times.
 

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Excerpt of the MMQB from yesterday:

I think one of the things, scanning the weekend news, that caught my eye was the note in Miami that former White House spokesman Ari Fleischer -- who served under President Bush from 2001 to 2003 -- addressed the Dolphins with some media tips. Seems that rookie coach Tony Sparano heard Fleischer at the NFL meetings two months ago, and came up with the idea to have Fleischer talk to his team.

One of his messages was about mental discipline, and how coaches hate it when players make mental errors. If coaches hate it when players make mental errors on the field, then surely they'd also hate it if players made mental mistakes when dealing with the press. And if players got the same question from reporters five or six times -- asked, maybe, in slightly different ways -- then players should answer the question the way they wanted to answer it, not the way the questioner wanted to hear it answered. Then, Fleischer reasoned, a player wouldn't give the answer in a way he'd regret reading it the next day.

Interesting. I'm not sure the media is so intent on asking a question six ways to get a player to answer in a way that would be slightly wrong but would make great copy. I think the media wants to know a guy's true feelings.
Emphasis mine.

The answer is - of course they are. That's their job. Journalists aren't asking questions because they give a shit about the person they're talking to. They're asking to get a reaction. If a player gives an answer they don't like, because he's been coached or it's obviously a prepared response, they ask the same question again a different way. They'll continue to do so until they get the answer they want to print or they think their victim is going to stick to his story.

I enjoy his stuff. It's not great writing but the football stories are usually interesting. It's just that he plays the 'innocent press' card too many times. And it's frustrating because I'm sure he knows what he's doing. In the four million interviews he's done over the course of his distinguished career I imagine he's done it himself quite a bit.

I guess I wonder why I continue to read Peter King.
 

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I guess I wonder why I continue to read Peter King.
Well, for the next 4 weeks there is no PK to read, so I guess that's good.

I'm looking forward to the day he doesn't start every single answer to a mailbag question with "Great question" or "I am so glad you weighed in".
 

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Yea, but this kind of gets to the heart of Peter King: he's a great football writer that doesn't know dick about anything else in the world. I believe his naivete when he says he believes the media wants to "get to know the guy" they are interviewing. Peter King very obviously got to where he is today because players feel that he is a guy they can trust. Shit, that's his forte. The problem is that he can't recognize bullshit when he sees it. His love affair for Favre, who's image is obviously contrived, as well as Romo's "Awe shucks" and Jeter's ("He's the best player I ever saw") images, plus and his scorn toward Belichick when it turned out the Patriots' own "Team First/Good Citizens" image was proven to be a sham (heavily reinforced and sustained by the media, I might add) speak to this point.

Peter King wants to believe people. He wants to see the good side of everything, but has a hard time recognizing that not everything works out that way.

"Oh, gee, gosh, movies are so violent! Why can't we have more movies like Tootsie!"
 

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The strange thing about this week's column is that he seemed to be very lenient on Peters about his years of drug abuse, but wanted Nick Kaczur bounced from the Patriots. I don't think that I'm looking at this through Pats colored glasses (I may, though I don't think that I am) but I think that this example of hypocrisy gets to the heart of Peter King's column and meshes nicely with Leather's point.

Peters apologized about his drug abuse and married a girl that he met in rehab (I think it was his third or fourth time in rehab) and I think that King believes that he's going to be on the straight and narrow. Kaczur hasn't said anything about his drug arrest, so he must not be repentant and should be punished harshly.

Also, I find it strange that King mentions Peters' brother Christian in passing, but doesn't get into the whole thing about how he smacked his girlfriend around, which caused him (a high draft pick) to get released by the Pats before ever playing a practice squad down. The story to me, is that this family has something wrong with them if they're into heavy drug abuse, prostitution and domestic abuse. As a reporter, shouldn't you play that angle up instead of the "Aww shucks, he's cured!" b.s. angle?
 

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Jesus what amistake it was to read that.

You think Thompson is unpopular in Green Bay now? Wait to see how hated a man he'll be if he gives Favre the freedom he wants.
I love how King makes no bones about making threats. "Ted: You'll be SOOOOOORRRRRYYYYYY!"

And this quote from Favre:
"If I retired three days before camp, that would have been pretty low-class. This scenario, going back after I retired, might be low-class too, but I was honest and forthright with them.''
Is self-serving bullshit.

And let me edit this for you:
I know the teams don't want to be seen as groveling around Favre and begging him to come because of the impression it would leave about their incumbent quarterbacks, but Favre's in a sensitive spot right now. He's human. He'd like to be loved a little bit right now, or at least gather some information so if he had to make a decision about whether to accept a trade he'd know more than he knows now.
This should read:

I know the teams don't want to be seen as groveling around Favre and begging him to come because of the impression it would leave about their incumbent quarterbacks, but Favre really thinks they should.
Wonder how much he charges Brett for his PR "expertise"?
 

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This was my favorite:
I think I know the league will not find Minnesota guilty of tampering with Favre. Until visiting Favre here Saturday, I'd thought for sure the Vikes would get docked a fifth- or sixth-rounder in next year's draft because Darrell Bevell and Brad Childress had engaged in phone conversations at a sensitive time of Favre coming back to football while he still was under contract with the Packers. But now I'm convinced the league will do nothing.
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As he told me Saturday, the Vikings did nothing and said nothing to entice him into coming to play in Minnesota.
So, until Saturday, you were sure the Vikes would get whacked, but now that Brett has told you otherwise, everything is ok, and they have done nothing wrong? That is some hard-hitting journalism right there.
 

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I haven't read King in years because I don't usually read CNNSI, but are you really surprised at this? Seriously, no one washes Brett's balls better or more often than King.
Of course I'm not surprised; King doesn't wash Favre's balls, he tongues them.
 

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Did anyone make it to the end, where King is going to hold a vote over which new feature to have in his column? One is from the TMQ book and some are so-antil TMQ or anti-interesting it's not funny.

1. Interior Lineman of the Week. And why he deserves it, to educate you about offensive and defensive line play, which so often goes unnoticed. Either that or something like recognizing the best play or block of Sunday on the offensive line.(This would be the TMQ-like one)

2. Reminds Me Of ... Comparing past and present stars who have some similarities to their games -- Don Hutson vs. Marvin Harrison, Otto Graham vs. Tom Brady -- and picking the one I think is better historically.

3. What I Learned This Week About Football That I Didn't Know Last Week.

4. Why I Love Football.

5. The Toughest Thing About Playing the Game.

6. Hobby of the Week.

7. Behind the Scenes at NBC.

8. Player in Another Sport an NFL Guy Really Loves.

9. Good Guy of the Week.
 

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He already does probably 60% of these in any given week. In fact, most people would say that either Brett Favre, Tom Brady, Tedy Brushi, or Tony Romo have earned the "Good Guy Of The Week" award 6 years running.

And christ, "Hobby of the Week"...God help us.

"You know, when I was a kid, I knew a guy who collected stamps/made model trains/launched model rockets/collected sea shells/collected bottle caps/ate hotdogs/played with little boys penises. I always found him fascinating!"

Blech.
 

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If I had one question to ask Peter King, I'd ask this: why is Manny Ramirez an asshole and Brett Favre is a victim?
 

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If I had one question to ask Peter King, I'd ask this: why is Manny Ramirez an asshole and Brett Favre is a victim?
Because Latin people are lazy, and Southern Boys have pickin' and ploughin' and haulin' and...sweatin'...and ridin'...and (oh god) wrestlin'...and pumpin'...and fuckin'...in their veins.
 

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Because Latin people are lazy, and Southern Boys have pickin' and ploughin' and haulin' and...sweatin'...and ridin'...and (oh god) wrestlin'...and pumpin'...and fuckin'...in their veins.
I feel dirty after reading this...

Anyway, I'm sure he and Manny can work out their differences in a few steamy text messages.
 

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Jake Delhomme, QB, Carolina. Has any quarterback had a worse playoff game than Delhomme's five-interception, one-lost-fumble disaster Saturday night against Arizona? Unlikely. Brett Favre, in the 2001 playoffs, threw six picks against the Rams, but in that game, Favre was just throwing balls up throughout the second half trying to hit the lottery. Delhomme went 17 of 34 for 205 yards, with one garbage-time touchdown and the five picks, and only one of the turnovers came with the game legitimately out of hand. Here's the amazing thing: You watch all five of those interceptions, and you'll see that every one was thrown into something like double-coverage. "To put into words, I can't,'' Delhomme said. "I am at a loss for words. I had a hand in six turnovers ... I should get the blame. It's inexcusable.''
Man, I love Peter King loving Brett Favre. "I know what you guys are thinking, Jake Delhomme had an awful game, but the worst playoff performance is still Favre's 6 pick game against the Rams. Well, not so fast. I know for a fact that those interceptions were not Favres fault, he was forced to be a gunslinger (please ignore the 2 first half picks that were returned for a TD and to the 4-yard line, respectively). So, Delhomme was far worse that Favre ever could have been. Remember, hes a gritty gamer. I don't want anyone bringing up Brett. He was having a tough year and it wasn't his fault."
 

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That KSK deconstruction is pretty funny, if a bit unfocused. What they get balls-on correct is pointing out that King may be the most well-connected guy covering the NFL since Will McDonough, yet he does absolutely nothing with that power. I never read King and get any insider viewpoints or real knowledge; it's always Favre ballwashing and travel troubles.
 

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It's too hot in airplanes these days and what's the deal with Uggs? I guess they named the boot after what you say when you see the price tag!

Am I right, guys? Huh? Women and shoes ...
 

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You just never gets the sense that Peter King knows a lot about football. Right? He never breaks stuff down that can't be seen from reading the stat sheet (unlike Dr. Z, for example). There's so little breakdown of actual game moments apart from what he saw on TV.

1) The Vince Young stuff was pretty good, but he didn't have any quotes from anyone on the Titans about it.

2) I had no rooting interest on Sunday, have hated the Chargers for a few years now, and even I was infuriated by one call in particular (not to get all TMQ):

(PIT 35 - SD 17) San Diego Chargers at 04:05 left, 4th quarter
1-10-SD24 (4:05) (Shotgun) P.Rivers pass incomplete short right to V.Jackson. Coverage #20 McFadden, #94 Timmons.
2-10-SD24 (4:01) (Shotgun) P.Rivers pass incomplete deep left to V.Jackson.
3-10-SD24 (3:55) (Shotgun) P.Rivers sacked at SD 17 for -7 yards (J.Harrison)
4-17-SD17 (3:23) (Punt formation) M.Scifres punts 52 yards to PIT 31, Center-D.Binn, fair catch by M.Moore.

I mean, Norv, you're down by 18 points with 3 minutes and 23 seconds left in a playoff game with 2 timeouts. Really? Call in the punting unit? That was a disgrace, and I wish he'd called Turner out on it.
 

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I talked to Julius Caesar last night and he said "Look, the Roman Numerals are a tradition"
We can only hope that Peter King isn't defying orders from the NFL and SI and crossing his own journalistic Rubicon.
 

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We can only hope that Peter King isn't defying orders from the NFL and SI and crossing his own journalistic Rubicon.
I'd be interested to see who the "senators" are who take part in his eventual assassination. Though it's pretty obvious who would play the role of Brutus... and he'd give the inside report to Jay Glazer.
 

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Every other year, lately, it's become fashionable to declare that SB the "best ever."

Rams-Titans, Pats-Rams, Pats-Car, Pats-Eagles (maybe not so much), Pats-Giants, and Cards-Steelers have all had this designation in the weeks following the game.

I think, however, that in the end it's the games where the likable underdog wins, or comes heartbreakingly close to winning, that end up standing the test of time. Rams-Titans, Pats-Rams, and Pats-Giants all deserve consideration. The others were just exciting games.

I just wish sports writers (who should fucking KNOW this stuff) would be more self aware and a little more analytical before saying, after every other SB, that "Holy Shit! That was the best ever!"

Peter King, you fucking whore.