Wild Card Weekend game thread (non-Pats)

loshjott

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I'm OK with clocking it on 1st. WR are gassed and you have 3 plays left.

4th down throw was a very clear "I decided pre-snap to wedge this in to this spot regardless of what happens".
I hate to say it but it reminded me of Brady forcing it to Edelman on that two point conversion attempt in Denver with Gronk running free in the end zone.
 

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He won't be retained, but Bisaccia coached the shit out of this team after the Gruden debacle. They competed hard to the last. To be commended, and should get him a good look for another coordinator gig.
 

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I disagree. Maybe the D leaves someone uncovered or a CB falls down or something.
Or you rush and someone isn't set and you get a false start penalty. Lots of things could happen.

I think the better play is to run a play, but it's arguable the other way.
 

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Or you rush and someone isn't set and you get a false start penalty. Lots of things could happen.

I think the better play is to run a play, but it's arguable the other way.
You don't even need to rush that much. Horrible decision to spike it. One less chance.

But overall you need to credit that Vegas staff to get them to the playoffs despite everything thus season.
 

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Giving up 25% of your chances is ridiculous. It's not even a question. The clock wasn't an issue at that point because of where the Raiders were.
Yeah, the mere fact that they turned the ball over on downs with 12 seconds left kind of clinches it. Just the last bad timing decision in a series of bad decisions all half for the raiders.
 

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Yeah, the mere fact that they turned the ball over on downs with 12 seconds left kind of clinches it. Just the last bad timing decision in a series of bad decisions all half for the raiders.
I saw on twitter. The spike dropped the win probability by 4.5%.

Stupid execution.
 

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I disagree. Maybe the D leaves someone uncovered or a CB falls down or something.
Obviously it's not ideal but when WR are gassed and its been panic mode all the way down, there is value in re-grouping. It's not like they were spiking it on 3rd down. Treating it like some analytic "every play is worth exactly the same and you can't give up a down" is frankly bizarre. Obviously 4 plays is better than 3 but I don't have a problem with a spike in that situation.

I do have a problem with not reading the defense but deciding pre-snap what you are going to do on 4th down. Not a good play from Carr.
 

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Yeah, the mere fact that they turned the ball over on downs with 12 seconds left kind of clinches it. Just the last bad timing decision in a series of bad decisions all half for the raiders.

Exactly, NFL teams consistently freak out about the clock way before it’s actually necessary.
 

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Should absolutely have had 4 cracks there. Bad game management .
Agree fully. How does every NFL team not have a play in their book for that exact situation? As they're running up to the ball Carr should be calling that exact play and not giving away fully one of your four chances to score a TD. With all the preseason games and practices throughout the season how are you not prepared for that moment?!? The play calling on the Raiders part was horrible and cost them the game.
 

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Yeah, the mere fact that they turned the ball over on downs with 12 seconds left kind of clinches it. Just the last bad timing decision in a series of bad decisions all half for the raiders.
If they don't spike it but try to get everyone in position to run a play it's very possible they still only get 3 plays.

12 seconds left because they quickly stopped the clock on 1st down.
 

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Love to see the 49ers win today. By far the remaining game this weekend that interests me most. They and Tennessee are my fall back teams to follow the rest of the way. Like both of their physical, defense and running game styles, big Vrabel fan, and think Jimmy G gets entirely too much derision. Would like to see him go on a good playoff run, and give Lynch a hard decision to make in the off-season.
 

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I hope Tom plays well but don’t care if the Bucs win or lose. If anything, the Bucs losing would be interesting, although that would deprive us of a great second round matchup with one of DAL/ARI/LAR.
I never root for teams like this year's Eagles or Steelers to advance in the playoffs unless the Pats can benefit from getting that matchup. Just so uninteresting to me, maybe they can pull a crazy win off, but you just know they're going to get killed eventually.
 

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The most surprising thing about this to me is that texts have been a thing since 1992. I don’t think I legit started texting until maybe 2010 or so. I am a notorious late adopter so I would have given you a decade for 2000 or so for the first text.
Come on, you know these things happen years and years (most likely deep in the beta phase) before they are officially adopted.

The first email was sent in like the early 70s. most people didn't start using Email until the mid 90s.
 

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Come on, you know these things happen years and years (most likely deep in the beta phase) before they are officially adopted.

The first email was sent in like the early 70s. most people didn't start using Email until the mid 90s.
Yeah I know but it still stuns me. Like I said I am a notoriously late adopter tech wise.
 

Ralphwiggum

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Texting for the first time in 2010 is definitely a late adoption.
My wife and I went on a spontaneous trip to Vegas for my 40th birthday in 2012 and I tried texting a picture of us to my college/Vegas buddies and I didn’t have their cell phone numbers. It was probably 2015 or so before we firmly established a group chat for fantasy and breaking balls and the like. Maybe 2016.
 

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I hope Tom plays well but don’t care if the Bucs win or lose. If anything, the Bucs losing would be interesting, although that would deprive us of a great second round matchup with one of DAL/ARI/LAR.
I want the Bucs to lose because that would mean the Pats would get a higher draft pick. They're at 21 and they'd move to 20 with a win by either Pitt or Philly, and would move to 19 if both of those teams win. The only thing that I really care about the rest of the way is that Philly and Pitt win today because those are the only things that have any real bearing on the Patriots. Moving from 21 to 20 or 19 might not seem like much, but every spot up helps, and it'd be nice to move ahead of teams (PItt and Philly) that draft well.
 

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I want the Bucs to lose because that would mean the Pats would get a higher draft pick. They're at 21 and they'd move to 20 with a win by either Pitt or Philly, and would move to 19 if both of those teams win.
You realize they're trading out of the first round this year, right?
 

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Even if that's true, it's better to have a higher pick.
it's one of those drafts where there will be players who could be drafted in the final third of the first round or anywhere in the second round. Given how much help the Patriots need in multiple areas, unless there's the exact guy they want sitting there, I suspect they'll at least trade down
 

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it's one of those drafts where there will be players who could be drafted in the final third of the first round or anywhere in the second round. Given how much help the Patriots need in multiple areas, unless there's the exact guy they want sitting there, I suspect they'll at least trade down
Yes, and I don't disagree, but they are more likely to get a better return (or even find a deal of their liking) if they have 19 (or 20) as opposed to 21.